Results 1 to 11 of 11

Thread: Great Insight Into Iraq

  1. #1

    Great Insight Into Iraq

    This time from someone who has actually been there:

    [QUOTE]
    Associated Press Baghdad Bureau Chief Robert Reid and his chief military reporter Robert Burns published [URL="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jzxqARN0Huv38n5pgDfdBRwuoiZgD925HT7G0"][COLOR=#006699]a dispatch from Iraq[/COLOR][/URL] over the weekend that should have made banner headlines. [B]“It's not the end of fighting,” they wrote. “It looks like the beginning of a perilous peace.”[/B] This is exactly right, but millions of Americans still have no idea. Coverage from Iraq has diminished as much as the casualty rates since General David Petraeus implemented an effective counterinsurgency strategy in early 2007. At least we’re finally seeing a media consensus emerge after a year and a half of looking at the data as though it were inkblots on a Rorschach. It’s nearly impossible to work in Iraq anymore and deny what has happened.

    [B]Even so, this is no time to get recklessly drunk on victory and declare “mission accomplished.”[/B] Nor is this the time to bolt for the exits from an unpopular war. The peace, as Burns and Reid say, is perilous and only just now beginning. [B]The war is still not actually even over, though the fighting has been greatly reduced. Every single last inch of progress can be reversed. Keeping the relative peace will be just as difficult, though less dangerous, than making it in the first place.[/B] “[J]udging from the security gains that have been sustained over the first half of this year,” they wrote, “as the Pentagon withdrew five Army brigades sent as reinforcements in 2007 — the remaining troops could be used as peacekeepers more than combatants.”

    That’s basically already happening. The transformation of American soldiers and Marines from counterinsurgent combatants to peacekeepers has taken place all over Iraq. In fact, the most radical of General Petraeus’s strategic overhaul was the positioning of troops as peacekeepers and the defenders of Iraqi civilians before the fighting even abated. [I]That[/I] is what brought so many Iraqis over to the American side. Some places in Iraq were so horrifically violent that nothing resembling a normal life was even possible until someone stepped in to provide basic security. Al Qaeda in Iraq and Moqtada al Sadr’s Mahdi Army militia weren’t going to do it. They were the groups that threatened Iraqi security. And the Iraqi Army and Iraqi Police were too under trained, under equipped, understaffed, and corrupt to do it themselves.

    Effective peacekeeping troops are crucial in some parts of the world. I recently returned from a trip to Kosovo where I embedded with American soldiers whose primary mission now is preventing the local Serbs and Albanians from burning down each others’ houses. The Kosovo War ended in 1999, but mass violence erupted there twice since that time. The first major incident was right after the war when Albanians who were ethnically-cleansed by Slobodan Milosevic’s Yugoslav army and paramilitary forces returned to their homes under escort by NATO. Enraged mobs burned Serbian Orthodox churches and Serb civilian homes to the ground. More of the same broke out for three days in 2004 when rumors spread that Albanian children drowned in the Ibar River after being chased off by Serbs. These incidents did not catalyze a new war, but they certainly could have in the absence of neutral international soldiers who carry weapons and are ordered to pull the trigger if necessary. American soldiers mean business, and everyone there knows they will shoot to kill if they have to. These men are not the impotent United Nations “blue hats” who stood around in [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/521825.stm"][COLOR=#006699]Bosnia[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/714025.stm"][COLOR=#006699]Rwanda[/COLOR][/URL] while genocide was carried out right in front of them.

    Everyone I spoke to in the Balkans – Serbs, Albanians, and American soldiers alike – believe the 1999 war would resume post haste if NATO withdraws its armed forces. And that war ended nine years ago. Everyone could be wrong. It happens. Maybe cooler heads would prevail. But it would take a serious leap of faith to declare “mission accomplished” in the Balkans even after almost a decade.

    [B]Progress in Iraq is real, but, believe me, the country is in vastly worse shape than Kosovo. It is much more violent and dysfunctional. Well-armed and highly motivated extremists are much thicker there on the ground. If withdrawing from Kosovo is a bad idea – and I do believe that would be – yanking peacekeeping troops out of Iraq all of a sudden would all but guarantee a catastrophic result.[/B]

    Peacekeeping missions are boring and hard to cover in newspapers, in magazines, and on television. Peacekeepers therefore rarely appear in the media except when they’ve botched it, as they chronically did in Bosnia, for example. Their job, though largely invisible, is just as important as peacemaking. It ought to be recognized as such by anyone who would rather see less war than more.
    [/QUOTE]

    The sky is not falling.

  2. #2
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Miami, Fl
    Posts
    18,661
    is the point to defend and justify the war then[I][U]or[/U][/I] not pulling out of the war now?

  3. #3
    [quote=Mean Bro Green;2656562]is the point to defend and justify the war then[I][U]or[/U][/I] not pulling out of the war now?[/quote]

    Not pulling out now - but its mainly just an analysis piece; Totten doesn't have any illusions about impacting policy (and he's a pretty fierce critic of Bush generally)

  4. #4
    [QUOTE=doggin94it;2656707]Not pulling out now - but its mainly just an analysis piece; Totten doesn't have any illusions about impacting policy (and he's a pretty fierce critic of Bush generally)[/QUOTE]

    Doggin, I posted this in the original "Great Insight...."thread, but thank you for bringing some pragmatism and common sense on this issue. As someone personally involved in this effort, I usually avoid these threads.

  5. #5
    We cant change what has happened and thank G-d GWB wont be back to make the same mistake.

  6. #6
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    11,692
    OT:

    Doggin, is that #3 in your avatar??

  7. #7
    [quote=jets5ever;2656748]OT:

    Doggin, is that #3 in your avatar??[/quote]

    Yep, that's Tehila Yonit :D

    Equilibrium - you're more than welcome

  8. #8
    I agree this is definitely a well written piece. There are a few things i disagree on, though. For instance:
    [QUOTE]That is what brought so many Iraqis over to the American side.[/QUOTE]

    I dont think that many Iraqis have come over to the American sie. Most polls still show the Iraqis want us out. Id like to know what he bases this on. And please dont tell me "hes on the ground" b/c there is no way he has sampled all the different groups in Iraq and reached this conclusion.

  9. #9
    [quote=kennyo7;2657071]I agree this is definitely a well written piece. There are a few things i disagree on, though. For instance:


    I dont think that many Iraqis have come over to the American sie. Most polls still show the Iraqis want us out. Id like to know what he bases this on. And please dont tell me "hes on the ground" b/c there is no way he has sampled all the different groups in Iraq and reached this conclusion.[/quote]

    Kenny, the writer is Michael Totten, a journalist who's spent more time on the ground in Iraq, in more varied regions, than just about anyone else short of Michael Yon. He's spent time in Kirkuk and Fallujah, in Baghdad and Karmah, al Faris and Ramadi and Mushadah and other places most around here have never heard of.

    Want to reconsider?

  10. #10
    [QUOTE=doggin94it;2657136]Kenny, the writer is Michael Totten, a journalist who's spent more time on the ground in Iraq, in more varied regions, than just about anyone else short of Michael Yon. He's spent time in Kirkuk and Fallujah, in Baghdad and Karmah, al Faris and Ramadi and Mushadah and other places most around here have never heard of.

    Want to reconsider?[/QUOTE]

    Nope!

  11. #11
    [quote=kennyo7;2657165]Nope![/quote]

    shocking :rolleyes:

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Follow Us