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    The Palin Video--Iraq War a Mission from God? God's Will for a Gas Pipeline in Alaska

    I felt left out in not starting a VP dirt thread, so here it is. Also note that Palin's pastor preached that anyone who voted for John Kerry in 2004 is going to hell. The pastor also said that Palin's election as governor was a "prophetic call."

    Note that Palin's video is linked in the article.

    [QUOTE][B][SIZE="5"]Palin's Church May Have Shaped Controversial Worldview[/SIZE][/B]

    September 2, 2008, 12:17pm

    Three months before she was thrust into the national political spotlight, Gov. Sarah Palin was asked to handle a much smaller task: addressing the graduating class of commission students at her one-time church, Wasilla Assembly of God.

    Her speech in June provides as much insight into her policy leanings as anything uncovered since she was asked to be John McCain's running mate.

    Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

    [B]"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God[/B]," she exhorted the congregants. "[B]That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan[/B]."

    Religion, however, was not strictly a thread in Palin's foreign policy. It was part of her energy proposals as well. Just prior to discussing Iraq, Alaska's governor asked the audience to pray for another matter -- a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. "I[B] think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that[/B]," she said.

    Palin's address, much of which was spent reflecting on the work of the church in which she grew up and was baptized, underscores the notion that her world view is deeply impacted by religion. In turn, her remarks raise important questions: mainly, what is Palin's faith and how exactly has it influenced her policies?

    A review of recorded sermons by Ed Kalnins, the senior pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God since 1999, offers a provocative and, for some, eyebrow-raising sketch of Palin's longtime spiritual home.

    The church runs a number of ministries providing help to poor neighborhoods, care for children in need, and general community services. But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."

    It is impossible to determine how much Wasilla Assembly of God has shaped Palin's thinking. She was baptized there at the age of 12 and attended the church for most of her adult life. When Palin was inaugurated as governor, the founding pastor of the church delivered the invocation. In 2002, Palin moved her family to a nondenominational church, but she continues to worship at a related Assembly of God church in Juneau.

    Moreover, she "has maintained a friendship with Wasilla Assembly of God and has attended various conferences and special meetings here," Kalnins' office said in a statement. "As for her personal beliefs," the statement added, "Governor Palin is well able to speak for herself on those issues."

    Clearly, however, Palin views the church as the source of an important, if sometimes politically explosive, message. "Having grown up here, and having little kids grow up here also, this is such a special, special place," she told the congregation in June. "What comes from this church I think has great destiny."

    And if the political storm over Barack Obama's former pastor Jeremiah Wright is any indication, Palin may face some political fallout over the more controversial teachings of Wasilla Assembly of God.

    If the church had a political alignment, it would almost surely be conservative. In his sermons, Kalnins did not hide his affections for certain national politicians.

    During the 2004 election season, he praised President Bush's performance during a debate with Sen. John Kerry, then offered a not-so-subtle message about his personal candidate preferences. "[B]I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation. I'm sorry[/B]." Kalnins added: "[B]If every Christian will vote righteously, it would be a landslide every time[/B]."

    Months after hinting at possible damnation for Kerry supporters, Kalnins bristled at the treatment President Bush was receiving over the federal government's handling of Hurricane Katrina. "[B]I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell. That's what it'll get you[/B]."

    Much of his support for the current administration has come in the realm of foreign affairs. Kalnins has preached that the 9/11 attacks and the invasion of Iraq were part of a "world war" over the Christian faith, one in which Jesus Christ had called upon believers to be willing to sacrifice their lives.

    What you see in a terrorist -- that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war.

    As for his former congregant and current vice presidential candidate, [B]Kalnins has asserted that Palin's election as governor was the result of a "prophetic call" by another pastor at the church who prayed for her victory[/B]. "[He made] a prophetic declaration and then unfolds the kingdom of God, you know."

    Even Palin expressed surprise at that pastor's advocacy for her candidacy. "He was praying over me," she said in June. "He's praying, 'Lord make a way, Lord make a way...' And I'm thinking, this guy's really bold, he doesn't even know what I'm gonna do, he doesn't know what my plans are, and he's praying not, 'Oh Lord, if it be your will may she become governor,' or whatever. No, he just prayed for it. He said, 'Lord, make a way, and let her do this next step.' And that's exactly what happened. So, again, very very powerful coming from this church."

    In his sermons, Pastor Kalnins has also expressed beliefs that, while not directly political, lie outside of mainstream Christian thought.

    He preaches repeatedly about the "end times" or "last days," an apocalyptic prophesy held by a small but vocal group of Christian leaders. During his appearance with Palin in June, he declared, "I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them."

    He also claims to have received direct "words of knowledge" from God, providing him information about past events in other people's lives. During one sermon, he described being paired with a complete stranger during a golf outing. "I said, I'm a minister from Alaska and I want you to know that your wife left you -- you know that your wife left you and that the Lord is gonna defend you in a very short time, and it wasn't your fault. And the man drops his clubs, he literally was about to tee off and he dropped his clubs, and he says, 'Who the blank are you?' And I says, 'well, I'm a minister.' He says, 'how do you know about my life? What do you know?' And I started giving him more of the word of knowledge to his life and he was freaked out."

    Kalnins has, of course, preached on a bevy of topics ranging from humility to "overcoming bitterness." But the more controversial remarks reported above were not out of the norm, appearing in numerous sermons spanning the four years of available recordings.

    As for Palin, her views on these topics is more opaque. In the wake of the controversy over Jeremiah Wright, a debate has raged about whether political figures should be held responsible for the comments of their religious guiders. Clearly, however, Kalnins, like many national conservative religious leaders, sees Alaska's governor as one of his own. "Gov. Sarah Palin is the real deal," he told his church this past summer. "You know, some people put on a show...but she's the real deal."

    [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html[/url]

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    I remember hearing a Catholic deacon in Washington D.C say the same thing ("Kerry voters will burn in hell") during that election; f*cking nutjobs everywhere I'm not suprised some hick pastor in Alaska said the same thing. :rolleyes:

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    Palin in Church When Guest Pastor Says Terrorist Attack on Jews is God's Judgment

    How about this one when Palin was in church and the founder of Jews for Jesus gave a sermon saying that terrorist attacks on Jews was God's judgment. Where's the outrage from the conservatives on this?

    [QUOTE]Palin’s pastor, Larry Kroon, introduced Brickner on Aug. 17, according to a transcript of the sermon on the church’s website.

    “He’s a leader of Jews for Jesus, a ministry that is out on the leading edge in a pressing, demanding area of witnessing and evangelism,” Kroon said.

    Brickner then explained that Jesus and his disciples were themselves Jewish.

    “The Jewish community, in particular, has a difficult time understanding this reality,” he said.

    Brickner’s mission has drawn wide criticism from the organized Jewish community, and the Anti-Defamation League accused them in a report of “targeting Jews for conversion with subterfuge and deception.”

    Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.

    "Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment — you can't miss it."

    Palin was in church that day, Kroon said, though he cautioned against attributing Brickner’s views to her.

    [url]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13098.html[/url][/QUOTE]

    If the conservatives criticize Obama for not leaving Trinity, why aren't the conservatives criticizing Palin for not leaving her church?

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    It's stuff like this that gives Christians a bad name and makes them look as dumb as a post. It's also an insult to God, if you believe in him, that he would be wasting his time on willing the Alaskan pipeline but he couldn't get his act together to stop the genocide of 6 million Jews, millions of Africans, millions of Cambodians, cure cancer, and calm a few hurricanes. Of course, the usual response is that it's all a mystery and whatever happens, no matter how evil is somehow God's will too. Either Palin is a blithering idiot to be spouting this nonsense, or she's a hardcore, cynical politician playing the audience. At this point, I'd vote for the latter.

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    guys cmon everything on the GOP platform is God's will

    everything on the DNC platform is the work of Satan.

    hello? get with the program!

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    Kind of funny how an Obama thread draws every hardcore Republican on this board, yet a thread questioning Palin's suitably for the VP slot draws nothing but crickets.

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    [QUOTE=jr17892;2723851]Kind of funny how an Obama thread draws every hardcore Republican on this board, yet a thread questioning Palin's suitably for the VP slot draws nothing but crickets.[/QUOTE]

    Have you not noticed the zillions of Palin threads with replies numbering in the hundreds, boss?

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    [QUOTE=SMC;2723555]How about this one when Palin was in church and the founder of Jews for Jesus gave a sermon saying that terrorist attacks on Jews was God's judgment. Where's the outrage from the conservatives on this?



    If the conservatives criticize Obama for not leaving Trinity, why aren't the conservatives criticizing Palin for not leaving her church?[/QUOTE]


    Sounds like this Brickner fellow was some guest speaker. Was this guy Palin's "spritual advisor" for 20+ years?

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    [QUOTE=SMC;2723253]I felt left out in not starting a VP dirt thread, so here it is. Also note that Palin's pastor preached that anyone who voted for John Kerry in 2004 is going to hell. The pastor also said that Palin's election as governor was a "prophetic call."

    Note that Palin's video is linked in the article.[/QUOTE]

    BFD. :D

    Mikey Moore-on and top Dim strategists said Hurricane Gustav coincided with the Republican convention because God is on their side.

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