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    If Obama Doesn't Win...

    ...you really do have to wonder about the democrats as a viable party. They have every advantage this election.

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    I would definitely agree with that

    but the only people who think he isn't gonna win are hopeful conservatives

    all objective observers (if there is such a thing in politics) have Obama as a heavy favorite

    the UK betting lines all have Obama to win at something like 3-5.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;2731827]I would definitely agree with that

    but the only people who think he isn't gonna win are hopeful conservatives

    all objective observers (if there is such a thing in politics) have Obama as a heavy favorite

    the UK betting lines all have Obama to win at something like 3-5.[/QUOTE]

    I agree, I think Obama is going to win. And I agree, I think the Democrats have every conceivable advantage this round.

    But if he does not win, I expect to hear no end to the conspiracy theory-and-excuse making of Liberals. The fault will be with everything, everyone and every possible conspiracy you can imagine.....and not with Obama or the liberal/socialist ideals he stands for.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2731834]
    But if he does not win, I expect to hear no end to the conspiracy theory-and-excuse making of Liberals. The fault will be with everything, everyone and every possible conspiracy you can imagine.....and not with Obama or the liberal/socialist ideals he stands for.[/QUOTE]


    nah... the obvious answer would be this country isn't ready for a Black president. With an American electorate so enlightened it elected Bush twice that wouldn't be such a huge stretch.

    let's burn that bridge when we get there, shall we?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2731834]I agree, I think Obama is going to win. And I agree, I think the Democrats have every conceivable advantage this round.

    But if he does not win, I expect to hear no end to the conspiracy theory-and-excuse making of Liberals. The fault will be with everything, everyone and every possible conspiracy you can imagine.....and not with Obama or the liberal/socialist ideals he stands for.[/QUOTE]

    yeah screw that.... there'll just be a mad exodus to europe and canada ;)

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    [QUOTE=nmac21;2731845]yeah screw that.... there'll just be a mad exodus to europe and canada ;)[/QUOTE]

    So your opine is that people than don't vote McCain will exit the country en masse if Obama doesn't win?

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    If Obama doesn't win the Democrats will still have large majorities in both the House and Senate. That doesn't really seem like a fallen party. I doubt they'll even have the usual push towards the center because they have an ace waiting in the wings in Hillary.

    Whenever she chooses to run again, be it in 2012 if McCain either steps down or has low approval ratings or in 2016, that will be the real test of the Democratic party. And if she somehow fails in getting elected, then they'll make the usual push towards the middle ground. Or they'll just learn to nominate a southern politician, cause that's worked for them in the past.

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    [QUOTE=BushyTheBeaver;2731749]...you really do have to wonder about the democrats as a viable party. They have every advantage this election.[/QUOTE]

    I was seriously going to start a thread that said, "How is Obama not up by 20%?" but this thread basically covers the same exact thing.

    If the Dems can't win after 8 years of Bush/Cheney it shows that a MAJOR rethink of their strategy, organization and platform is in order.

    I think it's fair to say that a year ago just about every Republican had little problem conceding or accepting that 2008 was going to a Democrat, no matter who it was (Hillary, Obama, Biden, etc.).

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    [quote=jetstream23;2731893]I was seriously going to start a thread that said, "How is Obama not up by 20%?" but this thread basically covers the same exact thing.

    If the Dems can't win after 8 years of Bush/Cheney it shows that a MAJOR rethink of their strategy, organization and platform is in order.

    I think it's fair to say that a year ago just about every Republican had little problem conceding or accepting that 2008 was going to a Democrat, no matter who it was (Hillary, Obama, Biden, etc.).[/quote]

    Not a surprise at all, this country is still a center-right country. And it's a lot smarter than many think it is, it collectively can peel off McCain from Bush easily. Besides, millions know and dont like when B Hussein & Lady MacObama are dissing them. And, not everyone is walking around with a deep seated hatred for Bush & Cheney-most people get it that they're on the way out and will not deny McCain because of Bush being in the same party. Of course, there are those kooks out there that will equate the 2. Not to mention the people who will never, ever, ever vote for a n___________*

    [SIZE=1]* nihilist[/SIZE]

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    Obama will lose.

    He will lose not just to McCain/Palin but to Mitt Romney and Rudy Guilianni. And to a lesser extent Mike Huckabee.

    Romney rips Obama to shreds re: the economy, taxes, etc.

    Guilianni rips Obama to shreds re: national security.

    How is Obama, with his 130 'Present' votes in the Illinois State Legislature and his 150 days experience in the US Senate going to respond? Who is Obama going to get to support him? Bill Richardson? Hillary Clinton? (Yeah, PLEASE bring out Hillary. The Republicans probably need more Independent voters who can't stand her.)

    Mike Huckabee...well, he's just Mike Huckabee who knows how to put things in perspective.

    The training-wheels teleprompter is off for Obama from now on. No more prepared speeches! Now we're all going to see the REAL Barack Obama.

    And I'll bet you Obama himself knows it! :yes:

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    The next President will be a one term president. The $ 9.6 trillion dollar federal debt will see to that. Either dealing with this debt by raising taxes or ignoring this debt and having it balloon to $ 15 trillion (?) is going to doom whoever wins this election.

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    On Friday it was released that the US Unemployment Rate jumped to 6.1%.

    I expected Barack Obama to run with it and beat John McCain over the head with it and to continue beating McCain with it.

    Obama didn't!

    I'm tellin' ya'. McCain-Palin-Romney-Guilianni are all in Barak Obama's head. Obama is surrounded and even General Wesley Clark can't help.

    :eek:

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    [QUOTE=Buster;2731968]The next President will be a one term president. The $ 9.6 trillion dollar federal debt will see to that. Either dealing with this debt by raising taxes or ignoring this debt and having it balloon to $ 15 trillion (?) is going to doom whoever wins this election.[/QUOTE]

    Man, I could not agree more. Great post!

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2731834]I agree, I think Obama is going to win. And I agree, I think the Democrats have every conceivable advantage this round.

    But if he does not win, I expect to hear no end to the conspiracy theory-and-excuse making of Liberals. The fault will be with everything, everyone and every possible conspiracy you can imagine.....and not with Obama or the liberal/socialist ideals he stands for.[/QUOTE]

    Unfortunately (it goes for both major parties) elections are never about ideals.

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    Well, anyone with a pulse that was against the Iraq war would instantly be popular against GWB. Add good looks and an elequent speaker and you have insta-messiah. There's really not much else there beyond that.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;2731827]I would definitely agree with that

    but the only people who think he isn't gonna win are hopeful conservatives

    all objective observers (if there is such a thing in politics) have Obama as a heavy favorite

    the [B]UK [/B]betting lines all have Obama to win at something like 3-5.[/QUOTE]


    Typical Lib-wanna be european.

    Hopeful Conservatives presently have a 4 point lead. Enjoy backing your empty suit.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;2731839]nah... the obvious answer would be this country isn't ready for a Black president. With an American electorate so enlightened it elected Bush twice that wouldn't be such a huge stretch.

    let's burn that bridge when we get there, shall we?[/QUOTE]

    Good to see you already have your racist excuses ready to roll.

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    [QUOTE=jetstream23;2731893]I was seriously going to start a thread that said, "How is Obama not up by 20%?" but this thread basically covers the same exact thing.

    If the Dems can't win after 8 years of Bush/Cheney it shows that a MAJOR rethink of their strategy, organization and platform is in order.

    I think it's fair to say that a year ago just about every Republican had little problem conceding or accepting that 2008 was going to a Democrat, no matter who it was (Hillary, Obama, Biden, etc.).[/QUOTE]


    You are all missing the point. The Dems, as usual, misread their gains in Congress in 2006. Most of the Dems that won were middle of the road to conservative in nature. They were not ultra lefties which now controll the party. That is why the Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi Let's go on Vacation and give ourselves a raise Congress has a 9% approval rating - 1/3 of President Bush.

    The fact is, over the past 20 something years almost every poll taken in this country has 60% of the electorate either conservative or very conservative. Liberalism has always been shown to be a disaster and a motivation killer. Even if you went back to chr 90's, Clinton had some success after being bullied into balancing the budget by the GOP in Congress and then adopting mostly moderate policies, not liberal wacko policies.

    Wake up and smell the reality.

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    [QUOTE=Buster;2731968]The next President will be a one term president. The $ 9.6 trillion dollar federal debt will see to that. Either dealing with this debt by raising taxes or ignoring this debt and having it balloon to $ 15 trillion (?) is going to doom whoever wins this election.[/QUOTE]

    Hers is a crazy idea. How about we cut spending and the size of government. Do most people in their households decide to spend more money when they can't pay bills? I will bet not even spend crazy libs would do that in their own household.

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    [QUOTE=JetinHuntersville;2732161]Good to see you already have your racist excuses ready to roll.[/QUOTE]

    I think Bit's partly right on this. I don't think Obama's skin color or African ancestry is a strike against him. His Islamic name and Islamic background is a strike against him, however.

    Colin Powell (R), in his prime, was easily Presidential material. Had he run, he would have won!

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