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    Why in the **** are we moving towards socialism?

    I was really undecided going into this election (I would consider myself a conservative), but recent events are making me wonder if I should vote for McCain. It's not that I like him exceptionally as a candidate, it's just that he would at least slow down this spiral towards socialism. Obama, although a great orator, has policies that are far too socialist for my taste.

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    [QUOTE=zatchery;2738271]I was really undecided going into this election (I would consider myself a conservative), but recent events are making me wonder if I should vote for McCain. It's not that I like him exceptionally as a candidate, it's just that he would at least slow down this spiral towards socialism. Obama, although a great orator, has policies that are far too socialist for my taste.[/QUOTE]

    What are the "recent events" you're speaking of besides McCain just picking the most conservative VP candidate as possible?

    Socialism is just one step closer to communism. Who want that besides the far left?

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    [QUOTE=HessStation;2738280]What are the "recent events" you're speaking of besides McCain just picking the most conservative VP candidate as possible?

    Socialism is just one step closer to communism. Who want that besides the far left?[/QUOTE]

    The Freddie/Fannie takeover? That could eventually snowball into bailing out the car companies, airlines, etc. Couple that with Obama's desire for nationalized health care, and you've got a big movement going.

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    Um, dude. You may want to check who was in power when the U.S. gov't handed over billions to airlines and to the auto makers.

    [QUOTE=zatchery;2738293]The Freddie/Fannie takeover? That could eventually snowball into bailing out the car companies, airlines, etc. Couple that with Obama's desire for nationalized health care, and you've got a big movement going.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2738307]Um, dude. You may want to check who was in power when the U.S. gov't handed over billions to airlines and to the auto makers.[/QUOTE]


    No, no. I'm not going to sit here and blindly make stands for some stupid party. I do fully realize where you're going. I would be the first person to also mention that George W. Bush is currently in office as this whole Freddie/Fannie debacle goes down.

    What I will say, however, is that I consider myself a conservative. Therefore, I am planning on voting for McCain because he's the most legitimate candidate that represents the majority of my views (Ron Paul and Bob Barr simply aren't legitimate, although I would've loved it if they were).

    All I'm saying is that the government takeover of damn near anything is never a good thing. Couple that fact with the fact that Obama would like to increase government, I'd be slightly worried if Obama wins with what is likely to be a Democratic Congress (and things continue to progress as they have been).

    EDIT - Furthermore, I believe that McCain is a man of morals. At least, more so of a man than Bush is. I don't question that Obama's intentions are good, I question his policies.
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    [QUOTE=zatchery;2738293]The Freddie/Fannie takeover? That could eventually snowball into bailing out the car companies, airlines, etc. Couple that with Obama's desire for nationalized health care, and you've got a big movement going.[/QUOTE]

    They aren't nationalizing the companies, rather they are going to be held onto until they can recover. They will then be sold off...

    unfortunately, at that point they will most likely be disbanded and sold in pieces.

    I agree that we need to reassess our position on bailing out companies, but like it or not, both parties do it and the entire world does it.

    If your going to rag on the Dems for being socialists, at least do it cause of their healthcare and tax plan.

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    [QUOTE=zatchery;2738271]I was really undecided going into this election (I would consider myself a conservative), but recent events are making me wonder if I should vote for McCain. It's not that I like him exceptionally as a candidate, it's just that he would at least slow down this spiral towards socialism. Obama, although a great orator, has policies that are far too socialist for my taste.[/QUOTE]

    So as I reread your first post I'm not sure what your looking for other then you've already singled out Obama as a noway and you're on the fence about McCain.

    Keep in mind it's always gonna be a lesser of two evils for most people.
    Sounds like you should vote McCain or find a third part of interest.

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    [QUOTE=Das Ken;2738340]They aren't nationalizing the companies, rather they are going to be held onto until they can recover. They will then be sold off...

    unfortunately, at that point they will most likely be disbanded and sold in pieces.

    I agree that we need to reassess our position on bailing out companies, but like it or not, both parties do it and the entire world does it.

    [B]If your going to rag on the Dems for being socialists, at least do it cause of their healthcare and tax plan.[/B][/QUOTE]

    I suppose you are being reasonable when you mention that most of the world does it...

    but that doesn't mean that we must do it. It's OKAY to let an incompetent company fail. We'll live.

    Also, the Democrats health care and tax plans are something that I am totally against, as well.

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    [QUOTE=HessStation;2738347]So as I reread your first post I'm not sure what your looking for other then you've already singled out Obama as a noway and you're on the fence about McCain.

    Keep in mind it's always gonna be a lesser of two evils for most people.
    Sounds like you should vote McCain or find a third part of interest.[/QUOTE]

    God, I wish the Republicans had a candidate like Obama: a young, inspirational speaker.

    That being said, I can't stand his policies. He's a candidate for change, but those changes are going to move the country toward socialism, he just doesn't know it yet.

    Obama's a great story (I'm not questioning his experience, just his so highly-valued judgement), but not a great candidate (from my point of view).

    I don't mind Palin, so I guess I'll vote for McCain. There's no point in voting for a third party candidate at this point in our country's history, unfortunately.

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    Paul Volcker was a liberal democrat put in by carter.

    He is the one to blame for all of this.

    He attacked inflation, but under his watch the seed was planted, enabled by his policies.

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    Because people think that health care and college tuition are in the Bill of Rights.

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    [QUOTE=zatchery;2738333]No, no. I'm not going to sit here and blindly make stands for some stupid party. I do fully realize where you're going. I would be the first person to also mention that George W. Bush is currently in office as this whole Freddie/Fannie debacle goes down.

    What I will say, however, is that I consider myself a conservative. Therefore, I am planning on voting for McCain because he's the most legitimate candidate that represents the majority of my views (Ron Paul and Bob Barr simply aren't legitimate, although I would've loved it if they were).[/QUOTE]
    I was leaning more towards Obama because i absolutely despise McCain's VP pick...The more i look at it though Obama's policies just don't fit my views...So im leaning towards abstaining...My views are more conservative, small government, lower taxes but McCain lost my vote with the Palin pick and he's a completely different person than he was 8 years ago...Neither one of these candidates is any good for me and I honestly don't believe either one is what America needs right now...

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    Well that just made a hell of a lot of sense.:huh:

    My views are more conservative, but I was leaning more towards Obama,
    whos a Marxist, then McCain lost my vote by picking a VP
    who's more conservative than anyone else running for President or VP this
    year.

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    [I]"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of Liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened.Ē[/I]

    -Norman Thomas, Social Party Candidate for President, 1940, 44, 48

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    [QUOTE=SanAntonio_JetFan;2738762]Because people think that health care and college tuition are in the Bill of Rights.[/QUOTE]

    why wouldn't a human feel like he or she has the right to medicine if it could save his life? Where is it written that the lives of children from an economically poor family is not as important as a kid born into wealth? I am not advocating leveling all of societies class differences, but I do think that in the United States of America circa 2008, we should not be having these issues with life and death. The right to life is too important to relegate it into viewing only in terms of profit for companies.

    Or maybe some of the people who scream about the right to life with abortion don't think its as important as it relates to offering health care that could save lives to all people?

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    [QUOTE=nyctomjetsfan;2739022]I was leaning more towards Obama because i absolutely despise McCain's VP pick...The more i look at it though Obama's policies just don't fit my views...So im leaning towards abstaining...My views are more conservative, small government, lower taxes but McCain lost my vote with the Palin pick and he's a completely different person than he was 8 years ago...Neither one of these candidates is any good for me and I honestly don't believe either one is what America needs right now...[/QUOTE]

    This post could very well take the prize for contradiction of the year.

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    [QUOTE=flushingjet;2739141]Well that just made a hell of a lot of sense.:huh:

    My views are more conservative, but I was leaning more towards Obama,
    whos a Marxist, then McCain lost my vote by picking a VP
    who's more conservative than anyone else running for President or VP this
    year.[/QUOTE]
    My views are more conservative in relation to Obama whose a lefty...That doesn't mean i have more in common with the right, on the political spectrum I basically fall right down the middle...Choosing a far right fascist religious nutjob as your VP pick is not going to sway my vote...I was leaning more towards Obama not just because of Palin, i like some of his policies which is more than i can say for McCain...My main problem with Obama is I donít like his economic plan and how is he going to fund all these projects? like I said im against higher taxes and all these things heís promising are going to require bigger government which im also against thus Obama just doesnít work for me...Why not McCain? I donít know where the hell McCain stands on the issues because he seemingly changes his mind every time the wind blows...How can i vote for a candidate when he doesn't even know where he stands on the issues? His pandering to the far right these last few years and endorsement of Bush's failed policies doesn't work for me...This country needs change, not more of the same failure we've endured these last 8 years...Both of these candidates talk about change but neither one of them will chance anything...

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