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    Paulie, it's okay if you don't vote McCain.

    But if you have the gall to vote for Hussein, you're just an America hating, terrorist lovin' liberal piece of trash who should be kicked out of this country like the rest of the Messiah's delusional supporters.

    Oh, I forgot to add: They're going to rot in Hell as well.
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    cmon Paulie - your age is showing. Any vote in any election involves losing some part of your soul. How man candidates have you voted for that were completely perfect? I'll tell you: zero. They all have warts. So cut the theatrics and use your head. ;)

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    i sense that most of the posters in this thread are more conservative that liberal. i can certainly understand everyone's displeasure with the current republican party and i can certainly understand why someone in a solid blue state thinks they can throw their vote for a 3rd party candidate. heck i did that in 1992 and how did that work out? 8 years of that lying and theiving clinton followed by her highness being nearly everywhere. but really, if everyone felt the same way then you may as well just annoint his barackness right now and not een bother. as distatseful as it may seem (and keep in mind that the media does have a stake in all tis and in how W's presidency is being perceived) voting republican is your only choice. obama is simply too radical. now i'm sure most will say that, "well the congress has all these checks and balances so that even if obama is the second coming of hugo chavez he won't be able to do anything". well to that i say, would you give an uzi to a ten year old? of course you wouldn't. and i'll go on to say that some 10 year olds can probably be given an uzi and they won't hurt others or themselves, but most of the time they will. it's the same argument against obama. he is a know associate of american terrorists, hangs out with people who scream us-of-kkk-a and other groups who think hurting others can be perfectly justified. and this is a huge problem. there is a chance that obama is as radical as the people he hangs with so why would anyone put him in a position to act on those beliefs.

    by the way, this is the same argument that should have been used by the senate in 2002 when they voted for the war resolution. they essentially gave an uzi to a ten year old. how did that work out? and don't get me wrong, i supported the invasion. the only major issue i had was that the ambassdor to iraq, l paul bremer, had a 3 name name. never trust anyone with a 3 name name especially in politics. but how exactly does W still get the support of congress for this whole action if it is sooo unpopular? because the congress can be cowed. i don't believe the people really know what the full power of the presidency is.

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    [QUOTE=SMC;2793137]Paulie, it's okay if you don't vote McCain.

    But if you have the gall to vote for Hussein, you're just an America hating, terrorist lovin' liberal piece of trash who should be kicked out of this country like the rest of the Messiah's delusional supporters.

    Oh, I forgot to add: They're going to rot in Hell as well.[/QUOTE]

    Don't hold back SMC, tell us how you really feel! :D

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    IMO, it's going to boil down to National security for the undecideds....I would feel much better with McCain as our Commander-in-Cheif than Osama.

    Oh, and by the way:

    [IMG]http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e268/crazyeffinjetsfan/Obama_McCain.jpg[/IMG]

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    The only reason to hope McCain wins(not that I believe it is possible) is keep Obama and his controllers Reid/Pelosi from putting more Ruth Bader-Ginsburgs on the Supreme Court so they can re-write the constitution.

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    [QUOTE=Piper;2793289]The only reason to hope McCain wins(not that I believe it is possible) is keep Obama and his controllers Reid/Pelosi from putting more Ruth Bader-Ginsburgs on the Supreme Court so they can re-write the constitution.[/QUOTE]

    Not to mention a President, House, and Senate all controlled by one party is dangerous.

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    even though he has run a terrible canpaign and doesn't deserve to win i gotta vote for mccain just to keep mr armageddon from the button.

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    [QUOTE=quantum;2793297]Not to mention a President, House, and Senate all controlled by one party is dangerous.[/QUOTE]

    true but I see that as a two year max as the mid -trm elections would turn that around after the tax increases deepen and widen the recession.

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    [QUOTE=Piper;2793303]true but I see that as a two year max as the mid -trm elections would turn that around after the tax increases deepen and widen the recession.[/QUOTE]

    If I have a choice between drowning a little, or not at all, guess which one I pick? ;)

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    [QUOTE=Raug;2793125]I would always vote for the person you believe in most. It is not a "thrown away vote". I did the same thing here two weeks ago, Bavaria voted for a new government. Since 1949, the conservative party always won way more then 50%, and four years ago, I also voted for them. But the last couple of years, they screwed up, changed to personal I don't like etc.
    So I decided to vote for a small independent party. What happened was that eve though the conservatives won the election, they fell under 50% the first time in their history, because lots of people thought like I did. But the "more liberal" party wasn't able to improve since the last election because like me, everyone went to the small parties.
    Because of that devasting loss in voters, the head of the party and the Bavarian "governor" resigned, even though their party still runs this state. The party realized that they had lost track of their own base...[/QUOTE]

    Wow, even with my limited knowledge of German politics, Bavaria losing conservative votes is remarkable. My question is, how much longer do you think this 'Grand Coalition' can last? It would appear the 'coalition' was doomed from the start, and the CDU will take the heat for it(possibly Schroeders goal all along?)

    Also, are there cracks showing in the EU now that the financial crisis has taken hold there? It looks like Germany has told some other EU members to piss off when it came to propping up some non-german banks(understandably). Being from Munich, do you believe you are better off with or without the EU?

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    [QUOTE=crazyeffinjetsfan;2793262]IMO, it's going to boil down to National security for the undecideds....I would feel much better with McCain as our Commander-in-Cheif than Osama.

    Oh, and by the way:

    [IMG]http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e268/crazyeffinjetsfan/Obama_McCain.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

    Like you, I love black people when they're on my football teams and working for my businesses. Things have changed, though. Bro, they're trying to [i]run[/i] my [i]country[/i] now? Ridiculous.

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    Good for you Paulie. I'm a republican but I'd vote for a pile of dogsh!t before I voted for McCain and Sarah "You're darn tootin" Palin. This country is in a freefall thanks to the current republican administration which McCain supported 90 percent of the time. I can't believe anyone would vote McCain. It makes about as much sense as wanting aids or cancer.

    I can't stand McCain and I just know he'd drop dead right after the election and stick us with Mrs. Joe Six Pack as President. If we elect McCain, we really are as dumb as other countries say we are.

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    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2793359]Good for you Paulie. I'm a republican but I'd vote for a pile of dogsh!t before I voted for McCain and Sarah "You're darn tootin" Palin. This country is in a freefall thanks to the current republican administration which McCain supported 90 percent of the time. I can't believe anyone would vote McCain. It makes about as much sense as wanting aids or cancer.

    I can't stand McCain and I just know he'd drop dead right after the election and stick us with Mrs. Joe Six Pack as President. If we elect McCain, we really are as dumb as other countries say we are.[/QUOTE]and obama is any better??? tell me how obama plans to fix the current credit problem???

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    [QUOTE=2foolish197;2793388]and obama is any better??? tell me how obama plans to fix the current credit problem???[/QUOTE]

    Now there's a brilliant question.

    That's like asking how Obama is going to fix the car the Republicans crashed and somehow blaming him.

    How will Obama fix it? He's not fixing it. It's being fixed by the taxpayers who just paid 700 billion dollars because of the selfish and dufus eight year leadership
    of the Bush administration and its supporters.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2792730]Believe it or not, I'm still undecided. I'm one of those undecided voters that people are starting to whisper about, that small-town anchors are starting to report on, and that campaign volunteers are starting to target.

    Only, I haven't decided on whether I'm going to vote for John McCain or throw my vote away on a third party candidate.

    Here's the deal: I'm a conservative. I adhere to the old school principles of Goldwater and Buckley and Friedman and Reagan. Lower spending, smaller federal government, an accretion of states' rights, and a security policy marked by a strong, domestic defense.

    The Republican Party began it's decline with Bush 41's Presidency, and W has completely destroyed it. His policies, or more accurately, the policies of the men surrounding him, made a mockery of what it used to mean to be conservative. True, 9/11 changed a lot of things, but his departure from some basic values and principles have been very distressing. No longer is the GOP the party of conservative values. There are now two types of liberals in this country: Blatant liberals (Democrats) and closet liberals (Republicans). Some of the small-town, lower tier politicians still get it, and there are good Assemblymen, Congressmen, and Senators who still know how to prioritize their fundamentals. There are a few good conservative governors too, like Palin and Jindal, who give me hope for the future. But right now, the party is a shell of what it once was.

    If McCain had any balls, he would have voted no on the revised bailout package. What happened in the House and Senate last week was the most disgusting display of greed and socialism I have ever seen. The package, a necessary evil on all accounts, was only approved after being jammed full of pork to appease, mollify, and otherwise bribe wary or cautious politicians. While Obama was doing his best to convince people to vote for that aberration, McCain should have put his foot down and called the bill exactly what it was: a joke.

    And I have to say, I agree with flushingjet on one thing: anyone who calls himself a conservative and is voting for Barack Obama is either in denial or an outright liar. Obama embodies everything that goes against the old school values of the conservative movement. Universal (socialized) healthcare? Give me a break. Raising taxes because it's a neighborly thing to do? Well, who cares! They can afford it anyway!... Disgraceful.

    Unfortunately, John McCain is no better. I don't buy this whole "McSame" nonsense, simply because voting on bumper sticker slogans pisses me off. To do so shows a simpleton ignorance and an unwillingness to actually dig a little deeper and do your own research on the candidates. I haven't fully come to this conclusion yet, but this is one solid thought in a long process of mulling back and forth.

    Re: Iraq -- it's about damn time the Iraqis hold up their end of the bargain. I don't go for welfare at home, so why the hell should we continue to hold their hand and pour millions of dollars into that ****hole country? I supported the war to begin with, but the occupation "planning" unraveled at the seams from the get-go.

    Re: Sarah Palin -- a Hail Mary bomb, a publicity stunt that McCain gambled on and lost. I think one day she could be a very good politician on the national scale, and may even inspire a rebirth of the conservative movement within the GOP, but that day is far off. 8-12 years at least. I respect the hell out of her for what she has accomplished, but she's too green right now to be thrust into such a national spotlight.

    Speaking of respect, patriotism is a word that gets thrown around a lot with little to no meaning. John McCain is the very definition of the word. A quintessential patriot. He endured 5 long years of torture (could you imagine that? 5 years!), after refusing to be let out before guys that were in their longer. When he was finally released, he could have emerged a bitter, broken man, angry at his country and severely depressed, but instead he was grateful and inspired. He decided to dedicate the rest of his life to serving his country in a different way, running for office because he genuinely believed that he had to give back to the people and institutions that make this country great. Truly a remarkable story, and 100% a Patriot. You can never take that away from him. But, that reason alone isn't good enough to vote for him.

    So who will I vote for? Well if you say Ron Paul, forget about it. I saw him on Meet the Press several months ago and he came off as a lunatic with a skewed sense of history. At this point, I think I may vote for Bob Barr. Check out this video. He may be full of ****, but at least he PRETENDS to uphold the values of conservatism. McCain can't even do that.

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxPrULE6dUU[/url]

    Anyway, that's where I stand. I would appreciate some input from everyone - the liberals, conservatives, and independents on this board.[/QUOTE]


    Paulie -

    I think one of the problems wih our society is that if you admit that you voted for a particular candidate, or if you even admit that you like a particular candidate, then people jump to the conclusion that you support EVERYTHING that candidate does, and EVERYTHING that candidate says.

    I used to take great pleasure in the fact that I always voted for the loser. That way, I could gripe and complain and say "I didn't vote for that guy, so it's not my fault."

    I voted for Dukakis in '88 (the first year I was eligible to vote), Bush in '92, Dole in '96...I was loving life. I could whine and complain with the best of them. Then, the guy I voted for in 2000 won, and that hasn't turned out too well so far.

    But, people want to categorize and compartmentalize everyone. They want to say "Paulie supports McCain, therefore Paulie stands for this, this, and that."

    At least for me, personally, nothing could be further from the truth. I like some of the things McCain stands for, and I like some of the things Obama advocates. I no longer think politics has to be black and white (no skin color pun intended). Maybe it's age, maybe it's experience...I don't know what it is.

    People who marry themselves to one view and then try to say that one candidate or the other represents them are just foolish, and they'll get burnt eventually.

    I think your attitude shows a great deal of maturity. Keep looking at the issues, and vote for whoever you think is best.

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    [QUOTE=Ciaran;2793347]Like you, I love black people when they're on my football teams and working for my businesses. Things have changed, though. Bro, they're trying to [i]run[/i] my [i]country[/i] now? Ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

    Nice. Be more racist please. I don't think we are getting enough.

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    [quote=pauliec;2792730]Believe it or not, I'm still undecided. I'm one of those undecided voters that people are starting to whisper about, that small-town anchors are starting to report on, and that campaign volunteers are starting to target.

    Only, I haven't decided on whether I'm going to vote for John McCain or throw my vote away on a third party candidate.

    Here's the deal: I'm a conservative. I adhere to the old school principles of Goldwater and Buckley and Friedman and Reagan. Lower spending, smaller federal government, an accretion of states' rights, and a security policy marked by a strong, domestic defense.

    The Republican Party began it's decline with Bush 41's Presidency, and W has completely destroyed it. His policies, or more accurately, the policies of the men surrounding him, made a mockery of what it used to mean to be conservative. True, 9/11 changed a lot of things, but his departure from some basic values and principles have been very distressing. No longer is the GOP the party of conservative values. There are now two types of liberals in this country: Blatant liberals (Democrats) and closet liberals (Republicans). Some of the small-town, lower tier politicians still get it, and there are good Assemblymen, Congressmen, and Senators who still know how to prioritize their fundamentals. There are a few good conservative governors too, like Palin and Jindal, who give me hope for the future. But right now, the party is a shell of what it once was.

    If McCain had any balls, he would have voted no on the revised bailout package. What happened in the House and Senate last week was the most disgusting display of greed and socialism I have ever seen. The package, a necessary evil on all accounts, was only approved after being jammed full of pork to appease, mollify, and otherwise bribe wary or cautious politicians. While Obama was doing his best to convince people to vote for that aberration, McCain should have put his foot down and called the bill exactly what it was: a joke.

    And I have to say, I agree with flushingjet on one thing: anyone who calls himself a conservative and is voting for Barack Obama is either in denial or an outright liar. Obama embodies everything that goes against the old school values of the conservative movement. Universal (socialized) healthcare? Give me a break. Raising taxes because it's a neighborly thing to do? Well, who cares! They can afford it anyway!... Disgraceful.

    Unfortunately, John McCain is no better. I don't buy this whole "McSame" nonsense, simply because voting on bumper sticker slogans pisses me off. To do so shows a simpleton ignorance and an unwillingness to actually dig a little deeper and do your own research on the candidates. I haven't fully come to this conclusion yet, but this is one solid thought in a long process of mulling back and forth.

    Re: Iraq -- it's about damn time the Iraqis hold up their end of the bargain. I don't go for welfare at home, so why the hell should we continue to hold their hand and pour millions of dollars into that ****hole country? I supported the war to begin with, but the occupation "planning" unraveled at the seams from the get-go.

    Re: Sarah Palin -- a Hail Mary bomb, a publicity stunt that McCain gambled on and lost. I think one day she could be a very good politician on the national scale, and may even inspire a rebirth of the conservative movement within the GOP, but that day is far off. 8-12 years at least. I respect the hell out of her for what she has accomplished, but she's too green right now to be thrust into such a national spotlight.

    Speaking of respect, patriotism is a word that gets thrown around a lot with little to no meaning. John McCain is the very definition of the word. A quintessential patriot. He endured 5 long years of torture (could you imagine that? 5 years!), after refusing to be let out before guys that were in their longer. When he was finally released, he could have emerged a bitter, broken man, angry at his country and severely depressed, but instead he was grateful and inspired. He decided to dedicate the rest of his life to serving his country in a different way, running for office because he genuinely believed that he had to give back to the people and institutions that make this country great. Truly a remarkable story, and 100% a Patriot. You can never take that away from him. But, that reason alone isn't good enough to vote for him.

    So who will I vote for? Well if you say Ron Paul, forget about it. I saw him on Meet the Press several months ago and he came off as a lunatic with a skewed sense of history. At this point, I think I may vote for Bob Barr. Check out this video. He may be full of ****, but at least he PRETENDS to uphold the values of conservatism. McCain can't even do that.

    [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxPrULE6dUU[/URL]

    Anyway, that's where I stand. I would appreciate some input from everyone - the liberals, conservatives, and independents on this board.[/quote]

    Lets see now....Buckley was an effete, elitist gun-grabber, Bob Barr is a completely wasted vote, if McCain voted against the bailout Obama would use that against him and say he wasnt for helping the less fortunate.

    Conservatives understand why America has to project power in the world/ME,
    and dont put a price on preserving freedom and liberty by neutering the military in any way like B. Hussein.

    Anyone who votes in a naive, idiotic way that enables Obama bin Biden and Lady Macobama to slither in, raise taxes, redistribute wealth, socialize the country further (Fairness Doctrine applied to everything) and worst of all appoint ACLU-type federal judges for life from the SCOTUS on down to ensure that we care more about Terrorists and Illegal Aliens than Americans for decades to come is only a Conservative in social circles like Ron Paul meetups or Greystone Hospital.

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    [QUOTE=frostlich;2793326]Wow, even with my limited knowledge of German politics, Bavaria losing conservative votes is remarkable. My question is, how much longer do you think this 'Grand Coalition' can last? It would appear the 'coalition' was doomed from the start, and the CDU will take the heat for it(possibly Schroeders goal all along?)

    Also, are there cracks showing in the EU now that the financial crisis has taken hold there? It looks like Germany has told some other EU members to piss off when it came to propping up some non-german banks(understandably). Being from Munich, do you believe you are better off with or without the EU?[/QUOTE]

    sent pm, for this is very off-topic ;)

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    [QUOTE=flushingjet;2793515]Lets see now....Buckley was an effete, elitist gun-grabber, Bob Barr is a completely wasted vote, if McCain voted against the bailout Obama would use that against him and say he wasnt for helping the less fortunate.

    Conservatives understand why America has to project power in the world/ME,
    and dont put a price on preserving freedom and liberty by neutering the military in any way like B. Hussein.

    Anyone who votes in a naive, idiotic way that enables Obama bin Biden and Lady Macobama to slither in, raise taxes, redistribute wealth, socialize the country further (Fairness Doctrine applied to everything) and worst of all appoint ACLU-type federal judges for life from the SCOTUS on down to ensure that we care more about Terrorists and Illegal Aliens than Americans for decades to come is only a Conservative in social circles like Ron Paul meetups or Greystone Hospital.[/QUOTE]

    Do you really believe this nonsense?

    Do you really believe that people who disagree with your point of view hate America?

    Do you really believe that people who have different political views than you are out to hurt this country and have some kind of sinister agenda?

    If so, I just feel sorry for you.

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