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    [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio;2794625]Great article on Obama and ACORN. Too long to post in its entirety. But here are a few excerpts, with a link to the full article.

    Mark my words, ACORN will be Obama's Watergate.











    [url]http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_acorn_smears/2008/10/06/137891.html[/url][/QUOTE]

    His Watergate. LOL.

    You guys are so desperate it's not even funny.

    What does Obama's role registering voters --which has never been questioned in any way, so far as I am aware-- with Illinois Acorn in the 1990s have to do
    the actions of an Acorn office Nevada almost two decades later? There's nothing wrong with legally registering voters. Most would agree it's a good thing, actually.

    It's like holding McCain responsible for civilian deaths from Air Force bombings in Iraq this year because he flew for them in Vietnam.

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    This is classic

    I love hearing people complain about voter fraud and say that people should go to jail for illegal registrations while merely SUPPRESSING the vote is OK. Maybe you should ask yourselves if the City Registrar in Blacksburg Va. should go to jail for telling students they can't vote in Virginia if their parents live elsewhere or they will lose their health insurance, or how the voter roles are "purged" if an address does not match up, or how, inexplicably, there are huge lines to vote in poor neighborhoods because there are not enough machines. PLEASE, if your gonna be consistent then you need to take the people to task who are PREVENTING thousands of people from voting. There are flyers going out which say if your a Democrat vote on Wednesday - nice work there.

    Colo. Official Spreads False Voting Information On College Campus
    A Colorado county official acknowledged encouraging a college official to wrongly inform out-of-state students that they could not vote in the state if their parents claimed them as a dependent on their tax returns.

    Robert Balink, a delegate to the Republican National Convention and El Paso County Clerk, admitted that he had misinterpreted state law and “mistakenly published information that was incorrect,” after officials with the Colorado Democratic Party accused him of trying to suppress the college vote.



    Martha Tierney, with the state Democratic Party, told McClatchy Newspapers that she had obtained e-mails about Balink’s office sending a flier to the Colorado College president’s office for circulation to students. The flier stated that, “What this means is that if your parents still claim you on their income tax returns, and they file that return in a state other than Colorado, you are not eligible to register to vote or vote in Colorado.”



    The incident, McClatchy notes, follows similar ones in Virginia and South Carolina that have garnered attention. For example, on the campus of Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va., a county official circulated memos suggesting that students from outside the state who register to vote in Virginia could endanger their scholarships, health insurance and parents’ ability to claim them as independents on their tax returns.

    Jon Greenbaum, with the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, told McClatchy that state regulation on voting cannot violate the U.S. Constitution, which means that states cannot adopt rules that treat groups of voters differently.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2795182] His Watergate. LOL.

    You guys are so desperate it's not even funny.

    What does Obama's role registering voters --which has never been questioned in any way, so far as I am aware-- with Illinois Acorn in the 1990s have to do
    the actions of an Acorn office Nevada almost two decades later? There's nothing wrong with legally registering voters. Most would agree it's a good thing, actually.

    It's like holding McCain responsible for civilian deaths from Air Force bombings in Iraq this year because he flew for them in Vietnam. [/QUOTE]
    From the article.
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    He also paid ACORN affiliates during his recent Democratic primary contest. For example, leading up to the 2008 Ohio Democratic Primary, Obama’s campaign between Feb. 25 and March 17 paid Citizens Services, Inc., a subsidiary of ACORN, $832,598, apparently for get-out-the-vote activities. [/QUOTE]

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    To outsiders, Obama’s “long service with ACORN led many of its members to serve as the voluntary shock troops of Obama’s early political campaigns — his initial 1996 State Senate campaign, and his failed bid for Congress in 2000,” wrote Kurtz. “With Obama having personally helped train a new cadre of Chicago ACORN leaders, by the time of Obama’s 2004 U.S. Senate campaign, Obama and ACORN were ‘old friends.’” [/QUOTE]

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    Because Obama had worked closely with one of its leaders, Madeline Talbott, ACORN, in 1995, specifically sought out this radical young lawyer to help craft its lawsuit to impose President Bill Clinton’s 1993 National Voter Registration Act, nicknamed “Motor Voter,” according to Chicago ACORN leader Toni Foulkes. [/QUOTE]

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    In 2006, in Missouri’s U.S. Senate race, Republican incumbent James Talent lost by about 50,000 votes to Democrat Claire McCaskill.

    “A sizeable portion of that margin,” wrote columnist Carl Horowitz, “was attributable to ACORN organizers submitting phony or at least suspicious voter-registration cards to election officials in the St. Louis and Kansas City metro areas. Several ACORN members in Kansas City were indicted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office just prior to Election Day, and eventually pleaded guilty. [Wade] Rathke, not one for subtlety, called City of St. Louis election officials ‘slop buckets’ when they questioned the veracity of ACORN-submitted forms.”

    And who was Missouri state auditor during 2006, responsible at a statewide level for overseeing the honesty of voter registration? “That,” wrote Horowitz, “would be Claire McCaskill.” And Sen. McCaskill is one of Obama’s most ardent supporters. [/QUOTE]

    He is in bed with ACORN, and they are doing everything, even if it is illegal and undermines the Democratic process, to see he gets elected. This doesn't concern you?

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    [QUOTE=scuppers;2795198]I love hearing people complain about voter fraud and say that people should go to jail for illegal registrations while merely SUPPRESSING the vote is OK. Maybe you should ask yourselves if the City Registrar in Blacksburg Va. should go to jail for telling students they can't vote in Virginia if their parents live elsewhere or they will lose their health insurance, or how the voter roles are "purged" if an address does not match up, or how, inexplicably, there are huge lines to vote in poor neighborhoods because there are not enough machines. PLEASE, if your gonna be consistent then you need to take the people to task who are PREVENTING thousands of people from voting. There are flyers going out which say if your a Democrat vote on Wednesday - nice work there.

    Colo. Official Spreads False Voting Information On College Campus
    A Colorado county official acknowledged encouraging a college official to wrongly inform out-of-state students that they could not vote in the state if their parents claimed them as a dependent on their tax returns.

    Robert Balink, a delegate to the Republican National Convention and El Paso County Clerk, admitted that he had misinterpreted state law and “mistakenly published information that was incorrect,” after officials with the Colorado Democratic Party accused him of trying to suppress the college vote.



    Martha Tierney, with the state Democratic Party, told McClatchy Newspapers that she had obtained e-mails about Balink’s office sending a flier to the Colorado College president’s office for circulation to students. The flier stated that, “What this means is that if your parents still claim you on their income tax returns, and they file that return in a state other than Colorado, you are not eligible to register to vote or vote in Colorado.”



    The incident, McClatchy notes, follows similar ones in Virginia and South Carolina that have garnered attention. For example, on the campus of Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va., a county official circulated memos suggesting that students from outside the state who register to vote in Virginia could endanger their scholarships, health insurance and parents’ ability to claim them as independents on their tax returns.

    Jon Greenbaum, with the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, told McClatchy that state regulation on voting cannot violate the U.S. Constitution, which means that states cannot adopt rules that treat groups of voters differently.[/QUOTE]

    Funny, I was going to post about the U of AZ put out-of-state students in a bind in order to vote. They needed a passport or an AZ drivers license in order to vote. Guess when they find out about these "regulations".

    It's happening at the State level. Of course, this couldn't possibly be true. :rolleyes:
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    [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio;2795204]From the article.








    He is in bed with ACORN, and they are doing everything, even if it is illegal and undermines the Democratic process, to see he gets elected. This doesn't concern you?[/QUOTE]
    Sure it's a concern. It's happening on both sides of the aisle. No stone unturned. Getting elected is a game for Big Boys.

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    [QUOTE=WestCoastOffensive;2795206]Funny, I was going to post about the U of AZ put out-of-state students in a bind in order to vote. They needed a passport or an AZ drivers license in order to vote.

    It's happening at the State level. Of course, this couldn't possibly be true. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
    Asking for valid ID to prove eligibility, and to also limit someone to voting in only one place, is reasonable in my book, so long as it is applied to everyone.

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    [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio;2795204]From the article.








    He is in bed with ACORN, and they are doing everything, even if it is illegal and undermines the Democratic process, to see he gets elected. This doesn't concern you?[/QUOTE]

    Paying people to legally register voters is done by every campaign in America. There's nothing remotely illegal about the practice.

    Obviously what happened in Nevada is illegal, and thankfully it was exposed and stopped before the election, but there's nothing that suggests Obama was behind it or connected to it any way.

    I know you are eager to declare him an illegitimate president. But why don't you wait and see if the polling data --which has him up by about 5% or so nationally at the moment-- diverges from the election results in any suspicious way.

    At the moment, at least, he is winning the election and poised for an electoral landslide.
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    [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio;2795209]Asking for valid ID to prove eligibility, and to also limit someone to voting in only one place, is reasonable in my book, so long as it is applied to everyone.[/QUOTE]

    Here's my transcripts; may I vote now? :rolleyes:


    (sorry for the sarcasm, not meant to reflect back onto you, HD. You are a fave poster of mine)

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    I am having flash backs of Bush vs Gore in Jebs state of course of all states in America.

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    Well they may or maynot be Democrats, but they have shown up at the last two Rebublican conventions and tried everything to disrupt it. BTW Obama worked for them in Chicago!

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan;2795241]Well they may or maynot be Democrats, but they have shown up at the last two Rebublican conventions and tried everything to disrupt it. BTW Obama worked for them in Chicago![/QUOTE]

    Yes, more than 10 years before they disrupted those conventions.

    Why don't you blame Mo Lewis for the next tackle David Harris misses. The logic is about the same.

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    [QUOTE=WestCoastOffensive;2795215]Here's my transcripts; may I vote now? :rolleyes:


    (sorry for the sarcasm, not meant to reflect back onto you, HD. You are a fave poster of mine)[/QUOTE]
    A valid drivers license would suffice.

    No offense taken- I've got a thick skin!

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    [QUOTE=Jetsin1999;2795217]I am having flash backs of Bush vs Gore in Jebs state of course of all states in America.[/QUOTE]

    Barring some major unforseen event, it will not be remotely close enough for that to happen.

    McCain had to make a dent last night and he didn't. There's only one scheduled big event left, and the third debate is typically a non-event (Gore thrashed Bush in 2000, without sighing, but it wasn't enough to undue the damage at that point.)

    It would take something dramatic and unforseen to change the course of the race at this point. Which is always possible, of course, but not likely.

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    [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio;2795271]A valid drivers license would suffice.

    No offense taken- I've got a thick skin![/QUOTE]

    Few, if any, UAZ students from out of state are going to get a valid AZ license. And that is the license that gets you registered.

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    [QUOTE=WestCoastOffensive;2795338]Few, if any, UAZ students from out of state are going to get a valid AZ license. And that is the license that gets you registered.[/QUOTE]

    Then absentee ballots from their home states. Personally I always felt that college students who are transient in an area for 4 years should vote in their established "homes". I'm not saying they shouldn't vote, but they should vote in their home state and locale, be it by absentee ballot if nessecary.

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    Obama's Watergate? LOL. Problem is Worker's Having to Meet Quotas

    To predict that this will be Obama's watergate is laughable. The problem, as this Las Vegas article states, is that workers have to fill a quota of 20 registrations a day.

    [QUOTE][B][SIZE="4"]Alleging fraud, authorities raid voter group[/SIZE][/B]

    ACORN's canvassers filled out forms with fake names, addresses, officials say

    By ADRIENNE PACKER and MOLLY BALL
    REVIEW-JOURNAL

    State authorities on Tuesday raided an organization that registers low-income people to vote, alleging that its canvassers falsified forms with bogus names, fake addresses or famous personalities.

    The secretary of state's office launched an investigation after noticing that names did not match addresses and that most members of the Dallas Cowboys appeared to be registering in Nevada to vote in November's general election.

    "Some of these (forms) were facially fraudulent; we basically had the starting lineup for the Dallas Cowboys," Secretary of State Ross Miller said. "Tony Romo is not registered to vote in Nevada. Anyone trying to pose as Terrell Owens won't be able to cast a ballot."

    Agents with the secretary of state and state attorney general offices served a search warrant on the headquarters of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, at 953 E. Sahara Ave. shortly after 9 a.m. They seized voter registration forms and computer databases to determine how many fake forms were submitted and identify employees who were responsible.

    They also sought information regarding current and past employees and managers.

    "We don't know how many (falsified forms) are here; there may be two, or there may be thousands," said Bob Walsh, spokesman for the secretary of state's office.

    [B][SIZE="4"]Registration fraud typically stems from workers striving to meet their daily quota of submitted voter forms, Miller said.

    Most organizations require their workers to sign up 20 voters a day. Fraudulent forms start filtering in when workers struggle to meet their quota and either fill in bogus names or accept documents with names that are clearly falsified, Miller said.[/SIZE][/B]

    In a statement released by ACORN on Tuesday, Interim Chief Organizer Bertha Lewis said the group based in Clark County routinely flagged suspect applications and notified the Clark County Election Department. The group provided state and county officials with the names of individuals who submitted the falsified registration forms.

    "Election officials routinely ignored this information and failed to act," Lewis said. "ACORN pleaded with them to take our concerns about fraudulent applications seriously."

    In late July, election officials requested copies of the same documents that previously had been handed over by ACORN, Lewis said. In September, ACORN received a subpoena requesting information on 15 employees, whose names already had been turned in to election officials by the organization.

    "Today's raid by the secretary of state's office is a stunt that serves no useful purpose other than to discredit our work registering Nevadans and distracting us from the important work ahead of getting every eligible voter to the polls," Lewis said.

    Miller said that is not the case. He said the state's investigation began before ACORN submitted the forms referred to in Lewis' statement. In early July, investigators began looking through ACORN's registration forms. One canvasser turned in 17 applications; only four addresses existed, the investigators alleged.

    According to an affidavit filed by the secretary of state, the canvasser was interviewed and told investigators that meeting the daily quota was difficult because it was hot outside and potential voters rejected her invitation to register.

    Other canvassers hired by ACORN were residents at the Casa Grande Transitional Housing Facility, a Nevada Department of Corrections institution that offers convicted felons an opportunity to take part in work-release programs.

    "It raises significant concerns that they hired prison inmates, some of whom have been convicted of identity theft," Miller said.

    ACORN's field director in Nevada and the head of its voter registration effort, known as Project Vote, said the agency is cooperating fully with the investigation.

    "We're proud of what we did here," Chris Edwards said. "We've got nothing to hide."

    Tuesday morning's raid came on a day when ACORN had been planning a news conference and potluck lunch to celebrate the culmination of its voter registration drive, which the group said resulted in 90,000 new registrants since February, and to launch a get-out-the-vote push for the election.

    The event went ahead around noon, starting with a pep talk of the group's staffers and volunteers, who stood to testify to the mission of the enterprise and who said they would remain undaunted.

    "This is a great organization," Bonnie Smith-Greathouse, head organizer for Nevada ACORN, told a group of about 15 gathered in front of the organization's office. "We've done great things in the community, and we're going to do even greater things in the future."

    Smith-Greathouse suggested that powerful interests were trying to squelch the voices of the poor that ACORN is trying to empower.

    "Project Vote has been attacked all over the country because we registered at least 1.2 million voters," she said. "That could sway an election. You should be very proud. Something so significant in history has never happened in Nevada before."

    Edwards stressed the mission of empowering those on society's lower rungs. "We don't go to Trader Joe's to register voters," he said. "We don't go to Macy's or Whole Foods. We sign people up to vote at welfare offices. We sign people up at post offices in poor neighborhoods."

    ACORN's voter registration drive has consisted of recruiting people from off the street, many of them down-and-outers desperate for work, with the promise of $8 an hour for often grueling work. The canvassers were required to be on their feet, flagging down potential registrants, often in the 100-plus-degree heat of the Las Vegas summer.

    Although they were not paid a set fee per registration form collected, which is illegal, they had to meet certain quotas of registrations each day, which is legal.

    Clark County Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax, who has been speaking out about the fraudulent submissions and passing them along to the secretary of state's office for months, said under those circumstances, there was an obvious temptation for workers to duck into an air-conditioned library, for example, and start copying out of the phone book or off a sports roster.

    "Anybody who decides they're going to pay people to go out and register voters is basically opening themselves up to that," he said. Lomax said he did not think there was a systematic attempt to submit phony forms.

    Once turned in, the voter registration forms are subject to a verification process by Lomax's office.

    People whose forms listed phony or business addresses would have been sent a letter advising them they would be voided if they didn't respond within 15 days. People who didn't list a driver's license or Social Security number that matched their name and address would be flagged on the voter rolls and required to bring photo identification to the polls to be allowed to vote.

    Because of the safeguards, Lomax said he was confident no one will vote who shouldn't be allowed. "People don't need to fear for the integrity of this election," he said.

    ACORN said it had a quality-control operation of its own in place to check registration forms before they were turned in. Joe Camp, who was in charge of the effort, said he would call the phone number the registrant had listed and ask whether the information on the form was correct.

    "To my standards, to ACORN's standards, everything that was turned in to the Board of Elections was legitimate," said Camp, a 28-year-old Las Vegan who said he previously worked as a real-estate appraiser.

    Lomax said he has seen some evidence of quality control on ACORN's part this year. The registration forms legally cannot be discarded or destroyed, and some would be turned in with a note saying that they appeared to be fraudulent and that the canvasser had been fired, but that was "by no means the majority" of the suspect forms, Lomax said.

    ACORN is a nonpartisan organization, but it is affiliated with a political action committee that has endorsed Democrat Barack Obama in the presidential election. The Nevada authorities spearheading the investigation, Miller and Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto, are both Democrats.

    Obama's work as a community organizer in Chicago in the early 1990s was with Project Vote, but his campaign said it was not affiliated with ACORN at the time. Obama also was part of a team of lawyers representing ACORN in 1995 in a lawsuit that accused the state of Illinois of putting up barriers to poor people trying to register.

    A spokeswoman for Obama's campaign would not comment on his past ties to the group but said the work ACORN is now engaged in is separate from the campaign.

    "The Obama campaign is not affiliated with nor do we work with ACORN," Kirsten Searer said. "We have our own, separate voter registration campaign."

    Republicans seized on the news of Tuesday's raid. The Clark County Republican Party issued a statement condemning voter fraud and calling for full prosecution of anyone responsible.

    ACORN's other major activity is housing aid, for which it is eligible for federal grants from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac under newly enacted affordable-housing provisions.

    Nevada Sen. John Ensign, a Republican, on Tuesday called for the suspension of the affordable housing funds because they might be going to "controversial groups like ACORN."

    Nevada Gov. Jim Gibbons, also a Republican, said the ACORN problem was evidence Nevada needs a law requiring voters to present photo identification at the polls. Assembly Minority Leader Heidi Gansert, R-Reno, has proposed such a bill to be considered by the 2009 Legislature.

    In the interim, Miller urged residents who registered with third parties to check the Nevada secretary of state's Web site to reaffirm their voting status. The deadline to register for the November election is Oct. 14. New registrations must be submitted in person at the Clark County Government Center or the Clark County Election Department.

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