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    I would like the money just as much as anyone but isn't this how the first 1933 depression started, by giving printing people more money to put into circulation thus making the dollar weaker.....no.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    More Stimulus checks for all? Or a more "aimed" stimulus to certain industries or specific people?
    Great point. I went "unstimulated" the last go around!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    welcome to bailout nation
    Who will bailout our kids?

    20 years from now, when tax policy is ridiculous, the dollar is worth garbage and monthly Social Security checks buy one Happy Meal, we'll be hearing about the $7.0 Trillion bailout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    More Stimulus checks for all? Or a more "aimed" stimulus to certain industries or specific people?
    I'm still pissed that I didn't get the full stimulus check because of that stupid Alternative Minimum Tax BS!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauliec View Post


    A little early for a Halloween costume, isn't it? -- oh, God, never mind. That's her face. Yikes.
    Now imagine waking up next to her in the morning with NO makeup!!!!:

    You know what they say "9 out of 10 in every case she might look pretty but there is makeup on her face"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMC View Post
    I'm still pissed that I didn't get the full stimulus check because of that stupid Alternative Minimum Tax BS!!!
    You are obviously very wealthy

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetstream23 View Post
    Who will bailout our kids?

    20 years from now, when tax policy is ridiculous, the dollar is worth garbage and monthly Social Security checks buy one Happy Meal, we'll be hearing about the $7.0 Trillion bailout.
    Seriously, $150 billion stimulus on the heels of a massive bailout... Pelosi can't be this stupid, can she?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piper View Post
    You are obviously very wealthy
    I freakin' wish!

    But I am happy to say that I will not have higher taxes under Obama's tax plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauliec View Post
    Seriously, $150 billion stimulus on the heels of a massive bailout... Pelosi can't be this stupid, can she?
    (crickets chirping)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetstream23 View Post
    (crickets chirping)
    jeez, where was this outrage over McCain's proposal to buy up bad mortgages for 300bil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piper View Post
    A few of her buddies must have missed out on the first one.


    I can see that change a comin'...
    Amen, Piper!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicadeel View Post
    Isn't that money suppose to come out of the bail out package that already passed?
    Dude, this is the bailout for the bailout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piney View Post
    jeez, where was this outrage over McCain's proposal to buy up bad mortgages for 300bil?
    It's a vast JI right-wing conspiracy!!!1111! There might have not been a thread on it in JI-land, but the outrage is certainly there. I already said I'm not voting for McCain, and that about seals it.

    Even Michelle Malkin was outraged over it. Think about that.

    But anyway, thanks for the diversionary tactic. This is a thread about skeletor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauliec View Post
    There might have not been a thread on it in JI-land, but it's certainly there. I already said I'm not voting for McCain.

    Even Michelle Malkin was outraged over it. Think about that.
    isn't she always outraged?

    she'd be hot if she didn't scowl all the time

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    Two words: No!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauliec View Post
    It's a vast JI right-wing conspiracy!!!1111! There might have not been a thread on it in JI-land, but the outrage is certainly there. I already said I'm not voting for McCain, and that about seals it.

    Even Michelle Malkin was outraged over it. Think about that.

    But anyway, thanks for the diversionary tactic. This is a thread about skeletor.
    what about this, no one seems to be angry about this one either....



    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...0N94AD93F8QIO3


    Senate sends big spending bill to Bush to sign

    By ANDREW TAYLOR Sep 27, 2008

    WASHINGTON (AP) Automakers gained $25 billion in taxpayer-subsidized loans and oil companies won elimination of a long-standing ban on drilling off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts as the Senate passed a sprawling spending bill Saturday.

    The 78-12 vote sent the $634 billion measure to President Bush, who was expected to sign it even though it spends more money and contains more pet projects than he would have liked.

    The measure is needed to keep the government operating beyond the current budget year, which ends Tuesday. As a result, the legislation is one of the few bills this election year that simply must pass. Bush's signature would mean Congress could avoid a lame-duck session after the Nov. 4 election.

    White House spokesman Tony Fratto said the bill "stands as a reminder of the failure of the Democratic Congress to fund the government in regular order." But, he said, it "puts the United States one step closer to ending our dependence on foreign sources of energy" by lifting the offshore drilling ban and opening up huge reserves of oil shale in the West.

    The Pentagon is in line for a record budget. In addition to $70 billion approved this summer for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Defense Department would receive $488 billion, a 6 percent increase. The spending bill also offers aid to victims of flooding in the Midwest and recent hurricanes across the Gulf Coast.

    Such a huge bill usually would dominate the end-of-session agenda on Capitol Hill. But it went below the radar screen because attention focused on the congressional bailout of Wall Street.

    The measure settles dozens of battles that have brewed for months between the Democrats who run Congress and the White House and its GOP allies.

    The administration won approval of the defense budget. Democrats wrested concessions from the White House on $23 billion for disaster-ravaged states, a doubling of low-income heating subsidies, and smaller spending items such as $24 million more for food shipments to the elderly.


    The loan package for automakers would reward them with $25 billion in below-market loans, costing taxpayers $7.5 billion to subsidize the retooling of plants and development of technologies to help U.S. carmakers to build cleaner, more fuel efficient cars. Companies would not have to begin repaying the loans for five years, drawing objections from Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., who predicted they would return for more help when the money is due.

    Republicans made ending the coastal drilling ban a central campaign issue this summer as $4-plus per gallon gasoline stoked voter anger and turned public opinion in favor of more exploration.

    The action does not mean drilling is imminent and still leaves the oil-rich eastern Gulf of Mexico off limits. But it could set the stage for the government to offer leases in some Atlantic federal waters as early as 2011.

    Also in the bill is money to avert a shortfall in Pell college aid grants and solve problems in the Women, Infants and Children program delivering healthy foods to the poor.

    In addition to the Pentagon's budget, there is $40 billion for the Homeland Security Department and $73 billion for veterans' programs and military base construction projects. Combined with the Defense Department's spending, that amounts to about 60 percent of the budget work Congress must pass each year.

    Democrats came under criticism from the GOP for short-circuiting the normal process for a spending bill after it became clear that Republicans would force difficult votes on the drilling ban.

    Democrats also wanted to avoid an election-year clash with Bush that would have played in his favor. They are willing to take their chances that Democrat Barack Obama will be elected president in November and permit increases for scores of programs squeezed by Bush each year.

    Bush had threatened to veto bills that did not cut the number and cost of pet projects in half or cause agency operating budgets to exceed his request. Democrats ignored the edict as they drafted the plan and the White House has apparently backed down.

    Taxpayers for Common Sense, a watchdog group, discovered 2,322 pet projects totaling $6.6 billion. That included 2,025 in the defense portion alone that cost a total of $4.9 billion. Critics of such "earmarks" promise to scrutinize them in coming weeks and months for links to lobbyists and campaign contributions.

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    Great, another economic stimulus package. The last one worked great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    here's the news there's almost no difference economically between the parties right now. get off your partisan high horses, the difference between these parties is window dressing.
    QFT.

    No end in sight for this crap.

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    I'll wait to here the details before going nuts, but I'm completely pessimistic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by piney View Post
    jeez, where was this outrage over McCain's proposal to buy up bad mortgages for 300bil?
    He's not the Speaker of the House and won't be the President of the U.S. The person saying this is the leader of Congress. Let's worry about the people who can actually do something here. If McCain was President and saying this, there would be outrage.

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