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    Hannity and his take on the Economy!

    Just about 1 and a half months ago Hannity was on his show debating some analyst who said we were all doomed and that the economy was in a terrible state.
    Hannity busted out all these number claiming Bush had done a great job and the economy was fine.
    Now after all of this has happened he does not share any of the blame on Bush.

    Just being honest you cant have it both ways. Bush can't get all of the glory and then take none of the heat.

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    I am generally conservative/repub. but Hannity is over the top....everything isnt all one way, all the time!

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    cmon who has time to talk economy when Obama may or may not be friends with a domestic terrorist from 40 years ago! the guy bombed a bathroom, hello!

    people need to get their priorities in order

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;2797840]cmon who has time to talk economy when Obama may or may not be friends with a domestic terrorist from 40 years ago! the guy bombed a bathroom, hello!

    people need to get their priorities in order[/QUOTE]

    While I think Hannity is a clown, I don't see that more talking heads babbling on about the economy is going to do anything. I also don't understand how asking a candidate for POTUS to explain his associations is irrelevant.

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    [QUOTE=Piper;2797902]While I think Hannity is a clown, I don't see that more talking heads babbling on about the economy is going to do anything. I also don't understand how asking a candidate for POTUS to explain his associations is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]

    It's not irrelevent. For what it's worth, I think the Obama/Ayers relationship is pretty well explained.

    They know each other and sat on some mainstream charitable boards during a period three decades removed from Ayers' last known radical activity, at a point when he held a respectable day job as a professor of education and as a school reformer. Ayers was an early supporter of Obama's but never anything resembling an adviser or mentor. They're not close.

    The story has been on the front page of the NYT and many other newspapers and discussed thoroughly on cable.

    It is what it is and it's pretty widely known.

    Hannity seems to think this relationship disqualifies Obama from consideration as president. He doesn't seem to have the same issues with McCain's much closer relationship with a guy like Gordon Liddy, who was encouraging the murder of federal agents on the radio during the period they were friendly.

    I don't think McCain shares Liddy's views, but he knows the guy. It's not a disqualifier for him, imo. Same with Ayers/Obama, imo.

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    If you listen to Hannity there are only three things he will talk about right now.

    Ayers
    Rev. Wright
    Flager

    He brings those three things up no matter what the subject.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;2797840]cmon who has time to talk economy when Obama may or may not be friends with a domestic terrorist from 40 years ago! the guy bombed a bathroom, hello!

    people need to get their priorities in order[/QUOTE]tell me what obama will do to create jobs,get the economy moving again.?
    Last edited by 2foolish197; 10-10-2008 at 02:16 PM.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2798091]If you listen to Hannity there are only three things he will talk about right now.

    Ayers
    Rev. Wright
    Flager

    He brings those three things up no matter what the subject.[/QUOTE]smart..polls show obama is trusted more on economy...so get off topic...

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2797927]It's not irrelevent. For what it's worth, I think the Obama/Ayers relationship is pretty well explained.

    They know each other and sat on some mainstream charitable boards during a period three decades removed from Ayers' last known radical activity, at a point when he held a respectable day job as a professor of education and as a school reformer. Ayers was an early supporter of Obama's but never anything resembling an adviser or mentor. They're not close.

    The story has been on the front page of the NYT and many other newspapers and discussed thoroughly on cable.

    It is what it is and it's pretty widely known.

    Hannity seems to think this relationship disqualifies Obama from consideration as president. He doesn't seem to have the same issues with McCain's much closer relationship with a guy like Gordon Liddy, who was encouraging the murder of federal agents on the radio during the period they were friendly.

    I don't think McCain shares Liddy's views, but he knows the guy. It's not a disqualifier for him, imo. Same with Ayers/Obama, imo.[/QUOTE]how much money did obama funnel to ayers in education grants?

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2798091]If you listen to Hannity there are only three things he will talk about right now.

    Ayers
    Rev. Wright
    Flager

    He brings those three things up no matter what the subject.[/QUOTE]

    Hannity has constructed an alternate reality that, unfortunately, many, many people are residing in it. Have you seen these McCain rallies where the supporters yell at him to talk more about Ayers and less about the economy is a period of a profound financial crisis?

    These people say they are "stunnned" that they are losing. Have they not been awake for the past eight years? They honestly didn't see this coming? Bush was a horrible president, and the party that backed him is now paying the price.

    It's frankly obvious and unfolding exactly how most experts have predicted since 2006, even if it took a bit longer to get here.

    But these Hannity nuts are caught completely unaware. This is the extent of their delusion. So now they go to rallies and excoriate their own candidate for not focusing more on trivia in the middle of a crisis, while they shout things like "kill him" and "off with his head" about Obama.

    They are seriously deluded and very angry, and its all a bit chilling, frankly.

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    [QUOTE=2foolish197;2798109]how much money did obama funnel to ayers in education grants?[/QUOTE]

    I have no idea. But I see absolutely nothing wrong with giving an education grant to a professor of education.

    Ayers may be a bad guy, but within the context of his day job, this sort of thing seems appropriate.

    Education Week, a major trade publication, did a story about the Annenberg Education Challlenge, which they both were involved with.

    [url]http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2008/10/09/08annenberg.h28.html[/url]

    [QUOTE]Chicago Annenberg Challenge in Spotlight
    By Dakarai I. Aarons


    The Chicago Annenberg Challenge, chaired from 1995 to 1999 by Barack Obama, is being portrayed by some critics of the Democratic presidential nominee as an attempt to push radicalism on schools.
    In fact, [B]the project undertaken in Chicago as part of a high-profile national initiative reflected mainstream thinking among education reformers.[/B] The Annenberg Foundation’s $49.2 million grant in the city focused on three priorities: encouraging collaboration among teachers and better professional development; reducing the isolation between schools and between schools and their communities; and reducing school size to improve learning.
    The other eight urban projects that received money from the foundation under the Annenberg Challenge initiative launched in 1993 by the philanthropist Walter H. Annenberg pursued similar aims.
    And the creation of small schools has continued as a reform strategy nationwide, most recently with major funding from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
    The proposal that won Chicago the grant, which the Annenberg Foundation required be matched two-to-one by local donations, was written by William C. Ayers and Anne C. Hallett. Mr. Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, has become a prime target for Mr. Obama’s critics, who point to Mr. Ayers’ membership in the radical Weather Underground in the 1960s and 1970s and assert that the Illinois senator has been keeping company with an unrepentant domestic terrorist.
    Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, the Republican vice presidential nominee, gave the charge new visibility this month when she alluded to Mr. Ayers in accusing Sen. Obama of “palling around with terrorists.”
    Mr. Ayers and Ms. Hallett, who was then the executive director of the Cross City Campaign for Urban School Reform, led a citywide group called the Chicago School Reform Collaborative that met frequently throughout 1994 to write a proposal to secure Annenberg funding.
    “They are taking what was a very positive civic undertaking to improve public schools and characterizing it as something it was not at all,” Ms. Hallett said of the bloggers, commentators, and TV and radio hosts who for months have been discussing Sen. Obama’s association with Mr. Ayers.
    Critics have focused not just on Mr. Ayers’ involvement in violent opposition to the Vietnam War, but also on what they see as his espousal of a radical “social justice” approach to education.
    For example, Dick Morris, a political consultant and pundit who has worked for both Republicans and Democrats, including President Clinton, said Oct. 6 on the Fox News Channel show “Hannity & Colmes” that Mr. Ayers has a philosophy of “radicalizing students.” Under the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, he charged, Mr. Ayers chose Mr. Obama to “pass the money out” to “extremist community groups” to infuse students with “radical ideology.”
    Support for Decentralization
    The context for the Chicago proposal to the Annenberg Foundation was the 1988 decentralization of the city’s public schools by the Republican-controlled Illinois legislature, a response to frustration over years of teachers’ strikes, low achievement, and bureaucratic failure. Among other changes, the law set up “local school councils” at all district schools and gave the panels, which included community representatives, the power to hire principals.
    “Chicago is six years into the most radical systemwide urban school reform in the country,” a letter accompanying the proposal stated, referring to the decentralization. “The Annenberg Challenge provides an unprecedented opportunity to concentrate the energy of this reform into an educational renaissance in the classroom.”
    The proposal was backed by letters of support to the Annenberg Foundation from Illinois Gov. Jim Edgar, a Republican, local education school deans, the superintendent of the Chicago public schools, and the heads of local foundations.
    “Part of the work was to build a strong community around schools,” said Ms. Hallett, who is now the director of Grow Your Own Illinois, a Chicago-based teacher-recruitment project. “Most of the schools had been isolated for a long time.”
    To manage the Annenberg grant and raise the necessary matching funds, the Chicago project was required by the Annenberg Foundation to have a board of directors.
    Critics of Sen. Obama assert that Mr. Ayers must have played a role in his selection as the chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Stanley Kurtz, a senior fellow at the Washington-based Ethics and Public Policy Center, wrote in a Sept. 23 opinion essay in The Wall Street Journal that it was an “unsettled question” how “a former community organizer fresh out of law school could vault to the top of a new foundation.”
    Those involved in selecting Mr. Obama, however, say it was precisely that background that attracted them to him.
    Mr. Obama, then 33, was an associate at the law firm Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Galland and a member of the board of the Chicago-based Joyce Foundation. He also served, as Mr. Ayers later did with him, on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which had financed the Developing Communities Project, a South Side community-organizing project that Mr. Obama ran from 1985 to 1988 before leaving to attend Harvard Law School.
    He brought that organizing perspective with him to the new education project, telling the Chicago Tribune in a June 1995 article about the Chicago Annenberg Challenge: “If we’re really going to change things in this city, it’s going to start at the grassroots level and with our children.”
    Mr. Ayers and Ms. Hallett met with the heads of three Chicago-based foundations that were actively involved in education, and the foundation executives agreed to take the lead in putting together a board of community leaders. The three officials were Deborah Leff, then the president of the Joyce Foundation; Patricia Albjerg Graham, then the president of the Spencer Foundation; and Adele S. Simmons, then the president of the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.
    (Education Week receives funding from the Joyce Foundation for coverage of policy efforts to improve the teaching profession. The newspaper has also received support from the Spencer Foundation for coverage of research, and in the 1990s had a grant from the MacArthur Foundation for special reporting.)
    Compelling Life Story
    The trio of foundation presidents met for breakfast to begin their work. Ms. Leff, who is now president of the Washington-based Public Welfare Foundation, said in an interview that she suggested the young lawyer to the group.
    Ms. Simmons said she also knew Mr. Obama at that time, but Ms. Graham did not. She had, however, heard of him while both were at Harvard University, Mr. Obama as the president of the Harvard Law Review and she as dean of the Harvard Graduate School of Education.
    “I knew of his deep commitment to improving urban education,” Ms. Leff said. “I also knew in watching him on the board at Joyce that he was extremely intelligent, able to deal efficiently with a variety of points of view.”
    Ms. Graham said she later met with Mr. Obama at Avenzare, an Italian restaurant, and after a lengthy conversation, asked him to chair the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which he agreed to do if she served as vice chair and helped him.
    Mr. Obama’s life story, she believed, could serve as testimony that lower-income and minority children could thrive when given access to good schools—a chief goal of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
    “I thought a young man of that extraordinary personal background ... would be much more inspirational for a group of Chicago public school kids than a middle-aged white woman like me,” Ms. Graham said.
    All three former foundation executives said this month that their decisions to recommend Mr. Obama were not influenced by Mr. Ayers or Ms. Hallett.
    “I can speak to the fact that Bill Ayers had nothing to do with the appointment of Obama to the Annenberg Challenge, and he was not significantly involved with the challenge after Obama was appointed,” Ms. Graham said.
    The board of CAC approved Mr. Obama as chairman at its first meeting, in March 1995, on the recommendation of Ms. Graham.
    The other members of the board were Arnold R. Weber, a former president of Northwestern University and then-president of the civic committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago; Stanley Ikenberry, a former president of the University of Illinois system; Ray Romero, a vice president of Ameritech; Susan Crown, a philanthropist; Handy Lindsey, the president of the Field Foundation of Illinois; and Wanda White, the executive director of the Community Workshop for Economic Development.
    Mr. Obama’s role as chairman of the board included working with lawyers to set up the group as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization and appealing to donors for matching funds.
    Mr. Obama was active, challenging the staff and pushing the researchers on the project to do more, said Ken Rolling, who was the executive director of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and a former associate director of the Woods Fund.
    “Barack was all the best people already see in him,” Mr. Rolling said. “He’s very smart, a quick study, and somebody who listens to a range of opinions and takes in data, information, and viewpoints, and helps work toward a decision that is often much more broad than the initial recommendation.”
    Over its six years, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge funded projects in more than 210 schools, mostly at the elementary level. The schools were required to work with “external partners,” including higher education institutions, museums, community groups and already-established school reform initiatives.
    Until the CAC board was in place and a staff hired, the 23-member Chicago School Reform Collaborative crafted the requests for proposals for prospective grantees and reviewed their grant proposals.
    Some of the projects led by members of the collaborative, including Mr. Ayers, received Annenberg money. Mr. Ayers, who was involved with the Small Schools Workshop at his university, also gave a workshop for some of the school-community networks funded by the challenge on small schools.
    Ayers' Involvement
    One fact of civic life in Chicago, say city residents, is the prominence of the Ayers family.
    Thomas G. Ayers, the father of William and John Ayers, was the chief executive officer of the Commonwealth Edison Co., the region’s major electric utility. He died in 2007.
    John Ayers was active in Chicago school reform circles as the head of Leadership for Quality Education, an organization that represented business leaders’ interest in schools. He is now a senior associate of the Chicago-based National Association of Charter School Authorizers.
    John Ayers declined to comment for this story, and William Ayers could not be reached.
    Mr. Obama had significant contact with Thomas Ayers toward the end of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, when they worked to establish the Chicago Public Education Fund. The fund received more than $2 million in startup money from the CAC.
    A examination of the records of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, housed at the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago, found that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers attended Chicago Annenberg Challenge board meetings together, and that Mr. Ayers worked on a governance committee with Mr. Obama.
    They also appeared at events where the role of Mr. Obama, as chairman of the board, was largely ceremonial. He would give a welcoming speech, while others, such as Mr. Ayers or Ms. Hallett, spoke more specifically about the education efforts taking place.
    William Ayers has long been a presence in the Chicago education scene.
    “You can’t work in school reform in this community without coming across Bill Ayers. He’s been involved in every area of Chicago reform going back 30 years now,” said Michael Klonsky, who has known Mr. Ayers since their days in the leftist group Students for a Democratic Society in the 1960s. Mr. Klonsky later founded the Small Schools Workshop at the University of Illinois at Chicago with him.
    “Senator Obama would have to be a magician to not have ran into, or met, or sat in a meeting with Bill Ayers,” Mr. Klonsky said.
    In a Sept. 23 statement, the Obama campaign said: “The Annenberg Challenge records only serve to establish clearly that while Barack Obama and Ayers had occasional contact during Obama’s six years of service on the bipartisan board, they did not work closely together to exchange and develop policy ideas. In fact, as these same records show, Ayers attended a total six meetings of the board during the six years of Obama’s board service.”
    The records contain a letter to Walter Annenberg from Ms. Hallett, dated Sept. 10, 1995, in which she describes the board selected to govern the project. The panel, she notes, is “chaired by an impressive young lawyer, Barack Obama, a former community organizer who was the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review.”
    Mayor Assumes Control
    While the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was designed to strengthen the decentralization of the city’s schools by better connecting them to their communities, another major change in the governance of the school system served to complicate its effects.
    In 1995, just at the CAC was beginning its work, the Illinois legislature gave control of the school system to Mayor Richard M. Daley. He appointed his former budget director, Paul G. Vallas, to run the schools, ushering in a new era characterized by a top-down emphasis on accountability.
    Individual schools were faced with the tension of pursuing Annenberg-funded projects while at the same time adhering to new mandates from the central office for raising students’ test scores.
    “For school reform, the ’90s were like the ’60s,” Mr. Vallas, now the chief of the state-run Recovery School District in New Orleans, said in a recent interview. “There was a lot of experimentation going on. I thought there could be a balance between centralized accountability and local control.”
    Mr. Rolling said schools often felt Mr. Vallas’ directives didn’t leave time or room for other projects.
    “They were focused on accountability and scripted curriculum. They were carrying a pretty big stick,” he recalled of the new administration. “We were saying to schools: ‘Figure out what is best going to work there. Tell us your best ideas and how you would implement it, and we will get you some funding to carry it out.’ ”
    In the end, a 2003 study conducted by the Consortium on Chicago School Research concluded that the Annenberg project “did not achieve an overall effect on student outcomes.”
    “[W]hile the challenge contributed to the improvement of a number of Annenberg schools, there is little evidence of an overall Annenberg school improvement ‘effect.’ Any improvements were much like those occuring in demographically similar non-Annenberg schools,” the report said.
    The challenge’s supporters point elsewhere for evidence of success: to the studies produced by the Chicago Annenberg Research Project, and to the creation of the Chicago Public Education Fund, considered by many a successor organization to the Annenberg board.
    The CAC gave staff time and more than $2 million to create the fund. Mr. Obama was among the board members who gave their own money for the startup in 1999; the records at the Daley library did not say how much.
    Mr. Rolling said the research project helped shape the agenda for Arne Duncan, the current chief executive officer of the Chicago schools, especially on improving teacher quality.
    Ms. Graham, the former head of the Spencer Foundation, agreed. She added that she believes the emphasis on improving schooling for poor children also made a contribution.
    “In the early ’90s, when this was all going on, there were not a lot of people who were thinking seriously about what we need to do to improve the schooling of low-income children,” she said.
    The Chicago Public Education Fund has raised $25 million for training school principals and for boosting the number of teachers certified by the National Board for Professional Teaching Standards. Using a hands-on approach similar to venture capitalism, the fund recently launched a $25 million campaign to bringing in national management groups to help improve Chicago’s schools.
    Warren K. Chapman, who co-chaired the Chicago School Reform Collaborative with Mr. Ayers, credited the Chicago Annenberg Challenge with laying the groundwork for such civic efforts.
    “I don’t know if [the challenge] was successful in improving education in terms of student achievement. I think, at the time, it was successful in galvanizing support for local schools, bringing together people and communities who became engaged in the challenge,” said Mr. Chapman, who is now the vice chancellor for external affairs at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
    “Today, you see a lot of people engaged in many schools in Chicago,” he said. “Some go back to the Annenberg Challenge, and some have done it since then.”
    And one of the themes of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is reflected in Sen. Obama’s education policy proposals in his presidential campaign. In his teacher-quality plan for K-12 education, Sen. Obama says he would provide incentives to give teachers paid common planning time.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=2foolish197;2798104]tell me what obama will do to create jobs,get the economy moving again.?[/QUOTE]

    the unemployed will be put to work by the state building windmills and fixing bridges

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    We could give him another swirlie, but the penalties are more severe now.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;2798146]the unemployed will be put to work by the state building windmills and fixing bridges[/QUOTE]and then at night 6 hrs of socialistic fun on the red diaper baby comedy hour.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2798134]I have no idea. But I see absolutely nothing wrong with giving an education grant to a professor of education.

    Ayers may be a bad guy, but within the context of his day job, this sort of thing seems appropriate.

    Education Week, a major trade publication, did a story about the Annenberg Education Challlenge, which they both were involved with.

    [url]http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2008/10/09/08annenberg.h28.html[/url][/QUOTE]he sits next to chavez...how in the world the chicago school culture embraced this man to re-educate children towards a leftist,socialist stance is beyond me.

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    [QUOTE=LanceMehl;2797789]Just about 1 and a half months ago Hannity was on his show debating some analyst who said we were all doomed and that the economy was in a terrible state.
    Hannity busted out all these number claiming Bush had done a great job and the economy was fine.
    Now after all of this has happened he does not share any of the blame on Bush.

    Just being honest you cant have it both ways. Bush can't get all of the glory and then take none of the heat.[/QUOTE]

    Could say the same about Barney Frank.

    Wait a second...Barney Frank is the Chair of the House Financial Services Committee and Sean Hannity hosts a show on TV.

    No wonder you're so mad at Sean! He's ruined everything!

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    [QUOTE=2foolish197;2798161]he sits next to chavez...how in the world the chicago school culture embraced this man to re-educate children towards a leftist,socialist stance is beyond me.[/QUOTE]

    And that is a perfectly legitimate question, but it's pretty peripheral to the issue of whether Obama should be president or not.

    Obama is not the one who decided to make the guy a mainstream figure in Chicago's school-reform community. That happened before he got there. But when he did get there and worked on schools, Ayers was a mainstream figure in that universe.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;2797840]cmon who has time to talk economy when Obama may or may not be friends with a domestic terrorist from 40 years ago! the guy bombed a bathroom, hello!

    people need to get their priorities in order[/QUOTE]

    yeah, it was only a pentagon bathroom....who cares that the guy actually killed people and bombed numerous police stations.

    a bathroom? GET A FRICKING CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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