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    McCain ranked 894 out of 899 at Naval Academy???

    And 28th out of 29 in submarine school.?Is this a guy who should be president? We just elected a C student as president and we're pretty much back in the depression. What can any of you see about this guy that is positive? He has run his campaign, and picked his vice president, like a guy who graduated at the bottom of his class.

    And what is this about seven crashed planes?

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    LOL, that's just great. It figures that we get about the dumbest guy out of 1,000 as a presidential candidate. Undeniably an ideal follow-up to Bush..

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    based purely on education achievement (and for the purposes of this statement nothing else)

    the Democratic ticket wipes the floor with the Republican ticket.

    Obama & Biden both have post graduate degrees. McCain has his Naval Academy record and Palin went to 6 of the crappiest schools in the nation.

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    And McCain's father and grandfather were admirals, so you can be sure he wouldn't have graduated without them pulling strings.

    So let me get this straight:

    President-Bottom one percent of class/crashed 7 planes.

    Vice President-Hockey Mom/Joe Six Pack/yer darn tootin'

    Am I on Candid Camera? Are you guys all in on it?

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;2804823]based purely on education achievement (and for the purposes of this statement nothing else)

    the Democratic ticket wipes the floor with the Republican ticket.

    Obama & Biden both have post graduate degrees. McCain has his Naval Academy record and Palin went to 6 of the crappiest schools in the nation.[/QUOTE]

    Some people spend all their time in school, others go out and do. This isn't a criticism of either. Bill Gates was a college dropout and did pretty well. Half the guys running Wall Street into the ground have $100,000 pieces of paper with names like Wharton, Kellogg, and Sloan on them.

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    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2804829]And McCain's father and grandfather were admirals, so you can be sure he wouldn't have graduated without them pulling strings.

    [B]So let me get this straight:

    President-Bottom one percent of class/crashed 7 planes.

    Vice President-Hockey Mom/Joe Six Pack/yer darn tootin'

    Am I on Candid Camera? Are you guys all in on it?[/B][/QUOTE]

    LOL.

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    [QUOTE=jetstream23;2804839]Some people spend all their time in school, others go out and do. This isn't a criticism of either. Bill Gates was a college dropout and did pretty well. Half the guys running Wall Street into the ground have $100,000 pieces of paper with names like Wharton, Kellogg, and Sloan on them.[/QUOTE]

    But its not a criticism.

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    Well now I see there is disagreement on the number of plane crashes-somewhere between three and seven.

    Let's hope the maverick only crashed three.

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    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2804829]And McCain's father and grandfather were admirals, so you can be sure he wouldn't have graduated without them pulling strings.

    So let me get this straight:

    President-Bottom one percent of class/crashed 7 planes.

    Vice President-Hockey Mom/Joe Six Pack/yer darn tootin'

    Am I on Candid Camera? Are you guys all in on it?[/QUOTE]

    To be fair, I wouldn't judge McCain's ability to be president based on his Naval Academy performance, which was indeed abysmal. McCain was frankly a screw-up, by his own admission, flirting with the most demerits in NA history (sort of like George Armstrong Custer at West Point). Both had the distinction of turning oppositionalism and delinquency into heroic action (Custer was an amazingly daring Civil War cavalry officer).

    Also, McCain downed five planes, not seven, and only two of those are really considered questionable re McCain's piloting.

    As for Sarah, nothing can be said but that she is cut out of the hard-nosed, frontier mold -- a small mind, but politics does not require great sophistication of thought -- only great presentation and ruthless ambition. Nuanced thinkers usually get the boot in US elections. The masses don't have the patience or the sophistication to bother with complexity....

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    If you do some research, you'd find It wasn't 7 crashed planes, it was 1.

    The others are the one he was shot down in, under heavy antiaircraft fire. Another was destroyed on the deck of a carrier, the USS Forrestal in a fire he did not cause, and another had an engine failure over
    Chesapeake Bay.

    He did have 2 other scrapes, 1 where he hit some power lines, but landed safely both times without crashing and killed no innocents, unlike William Ayers.

    Apparently, none of these incidents prevented McCain from winning regular promotions and being assigned additional flight duty. The Navy praised his "aggressiveness and skillful airmanship" when awarding him the Navy Commendation Medal for an attack Oct. 18, 1967, on a shipyard in Haiphong, North Vietnam, prior to his capture.
    and later the Distinguished Flying Cross, the Silver Star for his "conspicuous gallantry"
    after returning from imprisonment[FONT=Arial].[/FONT]
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    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2804829]And McCain's father and grandfather were admirals, so you can be sure he wouldn't have graduated without them pulling strings.

    So let me get this straight:

    President-Bottom one percent of class/crashed 7 planes.

    Vice President-Hockey Mom/Joe Six Pack/yer darn tootin'

    Am I on Candid Camera? Are you guys all in on it?[/QUOTE]

    I find that having a brain falls somewhere below oral hygiene on my presidential checklist, and certainly nowhere near as valued as their stance on the really important issues of our day, like gay marriage, gays in the military and what church they go to.

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    you've got to be kidding. it's a fact that mccain didn't exactly have great grades at usna but he went to usna and that counts for a heck of a lot more than boy baracks affirmative action education at either columbia or havard. moreover, there is a very high mortality rate for military pilots of all kinds. it is not surprising that he crashed 7 jets, it's important that he was able to walk away.

    i remember in 1992 when clinton had the veteran groups desert bush 41 and demeaned his crash landing during the war. does anyone actually know where he happened to crash land? well let me fill you in, he crash landed off an island called chuchi jima which was located just off of iwo jima. he happened to get picked up by a submarine. undoubtably, if he had stayed in the water much longer, he would have been taken prisoner on chuchi jima. well maybe that doesn't sound so bad. a war sort of winding down (at least the enemy was all but defeated) and maybe the captors wouldn't be so bad. well just the opposite is true. the general and other officers on the island thought that they could gain strength through eating the hearts and other organs of their prisoners. and they did. a number of american flyers were captured and executed and their hearts eaten by their captors. the whole story can be read in the book fl boys by james bradley.

    anyway, the point is that unless you've really served in the armed forces, especially in combat, it's impossible to know what's what. these guys look very different to the outsiders. you can see how obama makes light of mccain's time in the hanoi hilton. mccain does too because he would rather laugh than cry about what happened to him there. obama has also criticised mccain for his divorce. again, mccain suffered greatly during the war. those guys just don't come back right. it takes time to work all that horror out. maybe his ex-wife didn't have the patience or understanding. these things happen and obama should thank his lucky stars that guys like mccain have served for centuries bailing asses like obama out all over the planet.

    as for obama's scholastic record? nobody knows. he's not telling so it be very well that boy barack was also an anchorman. i'll tell you what. after hearing him speak in the last two debates it's plenty obvious to me that the guy is a dope. he is not only very ignorant of the facts but he can't even ariculate them very well.
    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2804816]And 28th out of 29 in submarine school.?Is this a guy who should be president? We just elected a C student as president and we're pretty much back in the depression. What can any of you see about this guy that is positive? He has run his campaign, and picked his vice president, like a guy who graduated at the bottom of his class.

    And what is this about seven crashed planes?[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=sameoldjets;2804863]you've got to be kidding. it's a fact that mccain didn't exactly have great grades [/QUOTE]

    I'm sorry but I stopped here.
    Not exactly great grades. Bottom one percent.
    Think of your high school-think about the bottom 25 percent. Either slackers, idiots or both. Now eliminate another 24 percent. There's your president.

    And his dad was an admiral. Probably the only thing that stopped him from being dead last. Probably the only reason why someone ranked in the bottom one percent was flying planes instead of cleaning them.

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    read and try to understand the rest of the post. one point that you left out was that he was also up for admiral when he retired to enter congress. now the navy is a lot of things but they don't go around entrusting their very expensive weapons systems to dolts even if their father's are admirals.

    fyi jim morrison father was an admiral too.

    but that still doesn't answer anythig about obama's grades. why? because he's hiding something.


    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2804877]I'm sorry but I stopped here.
    Not exactly great grades. Bottom one percent.
    Think of your high school-think about the bottom 25 percent. Either slackers, idiots or both. Now eliminate another 24 percent. There's your president.

    And his dad was an admiral. Probably the only thing that stopped him from being dead last. Probably the only reason why someone ranked in the bottom one percent was flying planes instead of cleaning them.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=sameoldjets;2804890]

    but that still doesn't answer anythig about obama's grades. why? because he's hiding something.[/QUOTE]

    The guy was on the Harvard Law Review. You can't have sh*t grades and be on that.

    And what's with the whole "Obama is hiding something" routine?

    What is he hiding? What is he concealing?

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    [QUOTE=MachineGunFunk;2804898]The guy was on the Harvard Law Review. You can't have sh*t grades and be on that.

    And what's with the whole "Obama is hiding something" routine?

    What is he hiding? What is he concealing?[/QUOTE]

    What could he possibly be hiding. If he graduated in the bottom two percent he wins.

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    [QUOTE=sameoldjets;2804890] one point that you left out was that he was also up for admiral when he retired to enter congress.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2804912]What could he possibly be hiding. If he graduated in the bottom two percent he wins.[/QUOTE]

    That is my contention. The guy was on the Harvard Law Review, you don't make that without being a top flight student.

    There is clearly, IMO, much fear mongering not-so-cleverly shielded behind the "he's hiding something" arguments. It's a rehashing of the "he's a secret muslim!" crappola watered down with some sugar sprinkled on top.

    But crappy fear driven arguments still = crap regardless of how much you dress it up.

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    there have been no records released about obama's time at either columbia or harvard. as for the havard law review, these things are akin to political appointments. i don't if he was selected on merit. more than likely he was installed y ted kennedy. and as for grades. what exatly does that mean anyway? it's not like he was in a program like math or physics where his work could be proved one way or another. he was trained to be a lawyer and half of being a lawyer is being able to bulls@@t your way around the legal system. there is no right grade wrong grade A grade or F grade and once you get into these programs your graduation is just about guaranteed especially if you have a sugardaddy benefactor like teddy waiting in the wings.

    did you watch the dem convention? did you watch his lead in lfe accomplishment video? did you see any mention of his time at either columbia or harvard? of course not. e apparently went diectly from being a basketball plaer in high school to community organzer and then on to the prez candidate of the dems. call it editing his accomplishments so that he didn't seem so elitist or anything else. the fact that his colligiate records have not been released should be troubling. is he hiding something? most people would be proud of there accomplishments. moreover, the boy spent 12 years at teh u of chicago law school as a professor!!! he was offered tenure!!! do you also realize that he didn't publish a single paper on his chosen profession or legal decision!!!!! this in an industry where you must publish or perish. he did nothing. just what the heck made him entitled to get all he did?? in his book he describes himself as having overcome the temptations of drugs. is this guy for real??? like he was the only one but did the others get a chance to go to columbia or harvard?

    the guy is dirty. he comes from the chicago machine and i believe he was installed there shortly after he left columbia and before he entered havard. there is way more here than meets the eye.

    [QUOTE=MachineGunFunk;2804898]The guy was on the Harvard Law Review. You can't have sh*t grades and be on that.

    And what's with the whole "Obama is hiding something" routine?

    What is he hiding? What is he concealing?[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=sameoldjets;2804925]there have been no records released about obama's time at either columbia or harvard. as for the havard law review, these things are akin to political appointments. i don't if he was selected on merit. more than likely he was installed y ted kennedy. [B]and as for grades. what exatly does that mean anyway? it's not like he was in a program like math or physics where his work could be proved one way or another. he was trained to be a lawyer and half of being a lawyer is being able to bulls@@t your way around the legal system. there is no right grade wrong grade[/B] A grade or F grade and once you get into these programs your graduation is just about guaranteed especially if you have a sugardaddy benefactor like teddy waiting in the wings.

    did you watch the dem convention? did you watch his lead in lfe accomplishment video? did you see any mention of his time at either columbia or harvard? of course not. e apparently went diectly from being a basketball plaer in high school to community organzer and then on to the prez candidate of the dems. call it editing his accomplishments so that he didn't seem so elitist or anything else. the fact that his colligiate records have not been released should be troubling. is he hiding something? most people would be proud of there accomplishments. moreover, the boy spent 12 years at teh u of chicago law school as a professor!!! he was offered tenure!!! do you also realize that he didn't publish a single paper on his chosen profession or legal decision!!!!! this in an industry where you must publish or perish. he did nothing. just what the heck made him entitled to get all he did?? in his book he describes himself as having overcome the temptations of drugs. is this guy for real??? like he was the only one but did the others get a chance to go to columbia or harvard?

    the guy is dirty. he comes from the chicago machine and i believe he was installed there shortly after he left columbia and before he entered havard. there is way more here than meets the eye.[/QUOTE]

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