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    Obama's run-in with a plumber/small business owner

    Pretty fascinating exchange here as Obama is confronted with some real, honest, tough questions about his new tax plan. This is exactly what I like to see -- an undecided, blue-collar voter who is being upfront and not going out of his way to kiss the Senator's ass. Obama handled it decently well but still concedes that his plan will probably tax this guy more so than McCain's plan.

    Here's the vid:
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA[/url]


    Here's a writeup from the Post:
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    OBAMA FIRES A 'ROBIN HOOD' WARNING SHOT

    By CHARLES HURT Bureau Chief


    October 15, 2008 --

    WASHINGTON - You won't find it in his campaign ads, but Barack Obama let slip his plans to become a modern-day Robin Hood in the White House, confiscating money from the rich to give to the poor.

    Conservatives yesterday ripped Obama after he was caught on video telling an Ohio plumber that he intends to take the profits of small-business owners and "spread the wealth around" to those with lesser incomes.

    The fracas over Obama's tax plan broke out Sunday outside Toledo when Joe Wurzelbacher approached the candidate.

    Wurzelbacher said he planned to become the owner of a small plumbing business that will take in more than the $250,000 amount at which Obama plans to begin raising tax rates.

    [B]"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the blue-collar worker asked.

    After Obama responded that it would, Wurzelbacher continued: "I've worked hard . . . I work 10 to 12 hours a day and I'm buying this company and I'm going to continue working that way. I'm getting taxed more and more while fulfilling the American Dream."[/B]
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    "It's not that I want to punish your success," Obama told him. "I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success, too.[/B]

    Then, Obama explained his trickle-up theory of economics.

    "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

    Critics said Obama let the cat out of the bag.

    "It's clear that his main goal is redistribution of wealth, not growth," said Andy Roth with the anti-tax group Club for Growth. "He's perfectly happy to destroy wealth as long as he can redistribute it."

    Obama has been meticulous, Roth said, to conceal the "socialistic" nature of his tax plans. "But every once in a while, he lets it slip," he said.

    Republican candidate John McCain yesterday charged that Obama's comment was telling.

    "This explains how Senator Obama can promise an income-tax cut for millions who aren't even paying income taxes right now," he said in Pennsylvania.

    "My plan isn't intended to force small businesses to cut jobs to pay higher taxes so we can 'spread the wealth around.' My plan is intended to create jobs and increase the wealth of all Americans."

    Meanwhile, a New York Times/CBS poll last night showed Obama moving into a commanding 53-39 percent lead.

    [email]churt@nypost.com[/email][/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=Obama]I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody[/QUOTE]

    Don't get more open and honest an admittance of Socialist Belief than this.

    Somewhere, my good friend Ken is smiling right now, ain't ya Ken? :P

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2805571]Pretty fascinating exchange here as Obama is confronted with some real, honest, tough questions about his new tax plan. This is exactly what I like to see -- an undecided, blue-collar voter who is being upfront and not going out of his way to kiss the Senator's ass. Obama handled it decently well but still concedes that his plan will probably tax this guy more so than McCain's plan.

    Here's the vid:
    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA[/url]


    Here's a writeup from the Post:[/QUOTE]

    No surprise here. Gagged at the line "I don't want to punish your success".

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    [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio;2805575]No surprise here. Gagged at the line "I don't want to punish your success".[/QUOTE]

    Props to that plumber, too. He asked his questions and he didn't blink at all. Obama seemed more nervous than he was.

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    Thx for posting that video.

    It was a pretty impressive exchange, both for the questioner and for Obama, and it gives you an insight into how Obama sees tax policy that, frankly, the lame-ass debate questions to date haven't brought out.

    Also worth noting, of course, is how little the Post story resembles the actual exchange. They call it a "fracas." It was about as civil and direct as anything I've seen on the campaign trail.

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    I respect the fact that he engaged the guy and explained the fact that he does intend to raise his taxes. He could have easily dodged the question but he didn't and I like that.

    This kind of exchange is why people are drawn to him.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2805588]Thx for posting that video.

    It was a pretty impressive exchange, both for the questioner and for Obama, and it gives you an insight into how Obama sees tax policy that, frankly, the lame-ass debate questions to date haven't brought out.

    Also worth noting, of course, is how little the Post story resembles the actual exchange. They call it a "fracas." It was about as civil and direct as anything I've seen on the campaign trail.[/QUOTE]

    True. I think it only resembled a "fracas" because every single question that Obama has received thus far has been, like you said, a lame-ass softball tossed by an adoring fan or a narcissistic news anchor. The same goes for McCain.

    The "townhall" debate was a joke. This video is what running for President should be all about.

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    bottom line the guy still running a business which makes more than 250k a year and s--t happens. I don't get why a man making over 250k a year is some sort of victim here. Maybe you guys can help me out. The way i see it his life is good before Obama, his life is still good after Obama.

    I gotta give credit to Obama for answering truthfully and not running away (as Palin does whenever she is asked a question).


    and as for all this SOCIALISM talk you conservatives just witnessed enough communism to last 500 years in the last days of Bush. so i don't want to hear it. it's hypocracy to think that McCain is some sort of free market capitalist when he voted for the bail out too.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2805594]True. I think it only resembled a "fracas" because every single question that Obama has received thus far has been, like you said, a lame-ass softball tossed by an adoring fan or a narcissistic news anchor. The same goes for McCain.

    The "townhall" debate was a joke. This video is what running for President should be all about.[/QUOTE]

    Agreed that the town hall was a joke.

    Luckily, we live in a world with Youtube, so actual "town hall" moments like this can be viewed by all.

    I would also second what Johnny said: I really liked that Obama told the guy that he probably would raise his taxes, and why he thought it was right to do that. He could have easily dodged the question. But to look the guy in the face and tell him, in a way that was not at all patronizing, what he intended to do and why, is something we don't often see at that level of politics any more. He talked to the guy like an adult.

    Reminded me a bit of why I liked the guy in the first place.

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    Curious, but at one point Obama said "revenue" when referring to above 250k threshold. Is it revenue or earnings? It has to be earnings, did Obama misspeak? Nuu can you clarify?

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2805599]Agreed that the town hall was a joke.

    Luckily, we live in a world with Youtube, so actual "town hall" moments like this can be viewed by all.

    I would also second what Johnny said: I really liked that Obama told the guy that he probably would raise his taxes, and why he thought it was right to do that. He could have easily dodged the question. But to look the guy in the face and tell him, in a way that was not at all patronizing, what he intended to do and why, is something we don't often see at that level of politics any more. He talked to the guy like an adult.

    Reminded me a bit of why I liked the guy in the first place.[/QUOTE]


    Ah, he knows he doesn't need the guy's vote anyway. Look at everyone else in the video, nodding at his every word and then applauding him after he finished talking to the guy. He was in a very friendly atmosphere, which is probably pretty relaxing.

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    [QUOTE=CTM;2805601]Curious, but at one point Obama said "revenue" when referring to above 250k threshold. Is it revenue or earnings? It has to be earnings, did Obama misspeak? Nuu can you clarify?[/QUOTE]

    I thought he was talking about the govt's tax revenue --which is derived from the company's earnings-- in that instance. Didn't that come up in the context of the flat tax question?

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;2805597]bottom line the guy still running a business which makes more than 250k a year and s--t happens. I don't get why a man making over 250k a year is some sort of victim here. Maybe you guys can help me out. The way i see it his life is good before Obama, his life is still good after Obama. QUOTE]



    I think the point is that his life will still be good just not as good since the government will get a bigger cut of his money.


    I do respect the fact that Obama engaged the guy.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2805605]Ah, he knows he doesn't need the guy's vote anyway. Look at everyone else in the video, nodding at his every word and then applauding him after he finished talking to the guy. He was in a very friendly atmosphere, which is probably pretty relaxing.[/QUOTE]

    I'm not so sure that guy won't vote for him.

    He descrined himself as undecided at the outset. He obviously already knew about Obama's tax plan. He wanted to hear Obama explain it.

    Who knows what other issues the guy considers in his vote?

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    This guy is not a real plumber. He is a McCain plant.

    His hands are too clean.

    McCain plant. McCain plant. McCain plant.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2805611]I'm not so sure that guy won't vote for him.

    He descrined himself as undecided at the outset. He obviously already knew about Obama's tax plan. He wanted to hear Obama explain it.

    Who knows what other issues the guy considers in his vote?[/QUOTE]

    That's true, but at the end of the video, Obama says, "Even if I don't have your vote...", which leads me to assume that it was a foregone conclusion.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2805613]This guy is not a real plumber. He is a McCain plant.

    His hands are too clean.

    McCain plant. McCain plant. McCain plant.[/QUOTE]

    You know, that thought occurred to me. Nevertheless, it was good to see someone challenge a Presidential candidate in a straightforward, thought-provoking way.

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    [quote=bitonti;2805597]bottom line the guy still running a business which makes more than 250k a year and s--t happens. I don't get why a man making over 250k a year is some sort of victim here. Maybe you guys can help me out. The way i see it his life is good before Obama, his life is still good after Obama.

    I gotta give credit to Obama for answering truthfully and not running away (as Palin does whenever she is asked a question).


    and as for all this SOCIALISM talk you conservatives just witnessed enough communism to last 500 years in the last days of Bush. so i don't want to hear it. it's hypocracy to think that McCain is some sort of free market capitalist when he voted for the bail out too.[/quote]

    Its only "socialism" in that it keeps people working, commerce moving and credit flowing.

    No different from being on welfare or working for the government-
    except in this case you actually do something useful for the pay and your company has to pay the loan back with interest

    As we know well , some in the bailout sector do not do useful work, but most do.

    If McCain did not vote for the plan you would never hear the end of "McCain doesnt care about (fill in the blank) people"
    Last edited by flushingjet; 10-15-2008 at 11:38 AM.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;2805597]


    and as for all this SOCIALISM talk you conservatives just witnessed enough communism to last 500 years in the last days of Bush. so i don't want to hear it. it's hypocracy to think that McCain is some sort of free market capitalist when he voted for the bail out too.[/QUOTE]

    No one said McCain is, bit.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2805615]That's true, but at the end of the video, Obama says, "Even if I don't have your vote...", which leads me to assume that it was a foregone conclusion.[/QUOTE]

    I think it was just an acknowledgment that he wasn't telling him what he wanted to hear.

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