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    US - Iraq Withdrawal Plan Now Agreed to, "Mirrors Obama's Plan"

    [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obamas-iraq-plans-vindicated-as-us-agrees-to-pull-out-by-2011-962874.html[/url]


    October 16, 2008
    Obama's Iraq plans vindicated as US agrees to pull out by 2011

    Iraq and the United States have finally agreed on a security pact which would mean that US forces would withdraw from Iraq by 2011, American and Iraqi officials said yesterday.

    The accord became a major test of strength between the Iraqi government and Washington since negotiations began in March with the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, pictured below, demanding US concessions on the date of the troop withdrawal and immunity for US troops. The pact replaces the UN Security Council resolution enacted after the American invasion of 2003.

    The agreement still needs to be approved by the council of Iraqi leaders, the cabinet and the Iraqi parliament. Mr Maliki saw the highly influential Shia religious leader, the Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, last week and was assured that he would not stand in the way of the pact if approved by parliament.

    The accord has been on the verge of being signed several times in the past only for fresh objections to be made by the Iraqi government, which has become increasingly confident of its own strength. A compromise has been reached on whether or not US troops can be tried by an Iraqi court if they commit crimes while not engaged in operations. US troops are to withdraw from Iraqi towns and villages by the middle of next year and from Iraq entirely by the middle of 2011 said the government's spokesman, Ali Dabbagh.

    He said: "The withdrawal is to be achieved in three years. In 2011, the government at that time will determine whether it needs a new pact or not, and what type of pact will depend on the challenges it faces."

    The US administration will present the pact as a sign of its success in Iraq but in fact the accord is very different from originally envisaged by Washington which would largely have continued the occupation as before.

    President Bush was opposed to timelines or dates for an American withdrawal and the US is still stressing that this is conditional on improved security in Iraq. But it is unlikely that the Shia majority will want to share power with the US.

    Iraqi politicians have always assumed that Washington's insistence on signing a new accord before the presidential election was motivated by the White House's hope that the accord would be seen as a sign that its Iraq policy had at last produced a success. The Republican contender, Senator John McCain, started off his campaign by saying that US troops might stay for 100 years and there should be no date for their withdrawal. The Democratic candidate, Senator Barack Obama, wants combat troops home by the middle of 2010, which was also the date originally proposed by Mr Maliki.

    Iraq has faded as an issue in the presidential election as the financial crisis worsened. However, claims that the Republicans had won a victory in Iraq looked increasingly unreal as it became clear that a withdrawal date would be determined by Mr Maliki, and not by the US.

    The US has given ground on crucial issues. On the legal immunity of American troops Mr Dabbagh said: "Inside their bases, they will be under American law. Iraqi judicial law will be implemented in case these forces commit a serious and deliberate felony outside their military bases and when off duty." Contractors, who have more men in Iraq than the US army, will no longer have immunity.

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    Obama started off his campaign by declaring the need for immediate and complete withdrawal of troops. Get back to us in 2011, when the troops are still there.

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    [QUOTE=kaol;2807228]Obama started off his campaign by declaring the need for immediate and complete withdrawal of troops. Get back to us in 2011, when the troops are still there.[/QUOTE]

    No he didn't...that was John Edwards.

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    [QUOTE=kaol;2807228]Obama started off his campaign by declaring the need for immediate and complete withdrawal of troops. Get back to us in 2011, when the troops are still there.[/QUOTE]

    It will be very interesting to see how his Presidency differs from his campaign. It's one thing to say we'll bring all our troops home in the next couple of years but it's another to actually do it and withdraw from a region that may continue to be in conflict when your national security advisors tell you it would be a bad idea.

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    yep and obama promised joe the plumber a past tax rebate.

    i think all of the obamanuts ought to understand that these critical issues aren't made in a vacuum. i doubt if his candidacy has anything to do with this current plan. bush has been maintaining all along that he would remove american troops once things settled down adn it looked like there was a good chance for a democratic iraqi state. now i'm not saying that iraq will ever find democracy but bush has been true to his word on this issue. he has never offered up any timetables and his goal has always been to establish a democratic state in iraq, irrespective of all the naysayers who said he went there to line the pockets of halliburton, exxon and whoever else because of the oil. this is simply not true and it is a shame the way all of the wonderful rear with the gear congressman continued to bash the policy without ever once venturing out of their foxholes to see what was really up. that coupled to a news media that was decidedly anti bush and you have a warped public view of the real situation.

    now suddenly it's obabm's plan. in fact, what obama has been spewing about is extremely azardous without a stabile iraqi state. obama has stated on more than one occassion about his plan to send more troops to afghanistan to escalate the war with the taliban. he also advocated going into pakistan, unilaterally, to get the taliban and al queda leaders. well let me tell you something, fat chance of doing either without a reliable supply chain and those supplies are not going to be going through iran or pakistan. and that's the key for iraq. iraq was to be the jumping off for any further escalation in afghanistan. it simply doesn't work the other way around. so, obama had better get his facts straight on these issues, and soon.

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    Lets see some of the highlights:

    1. A defined timetable for COMPLETE withdrawal of US troops.
    2. No permanent/long term US bases in Iraq.
    3. Allowing Iraqi courts to try US soldiers and security contractors accused of serious crimes outside of US bases.
    4. Iraqis will have a greater role in U.S. military operations and full control of the Green Zone


    Im sure that is exactly what Bush and his cronies had in mind when they first brought up The Agreement of Forces earlier this year. It seems they have been forced into caving in to all of Iraq's demands. Im sure Iran is smiling about all of this.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7;2807394]Lets see some of the highlights:

    1. A defined timetable for COMPLETE withdrawal of US troops.
    2. No permanent/long term US bases in Iraq.
    3. Allowing Iraqi courts to try US soldiers and security contractors accused of serious crimes outside of US bases.
    4. Iraqis will have a greater role in U.S. military operations and full control of the Green Zone


    Im sure that is exactly what Bush and his cronies had in mind when they first brought up The Agreement of Forces earlier this year. It seems they have been forced into caving in to all of Iraq's demands. Im sure Iran is smiling about all of this.[/QUOTE]

    Nearly 5 thousand of our troops killed and god knows how many injuired. Thousands of inocent Iraqi's killed...This was by far the worst American foreign policy decision in my life time. Meanwhile Bin Laden is out there laughing at us, along with Iran.

    OBama has some mess to clean up.

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    [QUOTE=parafly;2807235]No he didn't...that was John Edwards.[/QUOTE]

    Yes he did and then changed his mind like he does on everything!

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    Their laughing they knew the liberals have no backbone!

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan;2807636]Their laughing they knew the liberals have no backbone![/QUOTE]

    the Bush administration is liberal?!?

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    [QUOTE=Tanginius;2807221][url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obamas-iraq-plans-vindicated-as-us-agrees-to-pull-out-by-2011-962874.html[/url]


    "The withdrawal is to be achieved in three years. In 2011, the government at that time will determine whether it needs a new pact or not, and what type of pact will depend on the challenges it faces."[/QUOTE]

    So, withdrawl. But if withdrawl turns out to be a huge mistake, come back.

    OK.

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    [QUOTE=sameoldjets;2807267]what obama has been spewing about is extremely azardous without a stabile iraqi state...[/QUOTE]

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    didn't blondie write a song about this? you know "sheet of glass".

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