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Thread: Not $250K - Not $200K - Not Even $150K. It's Now Down To $120K For Tax Increase!

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2838821]And a business owner who is smarter than you will take away your customers. Congrats[/QUOTE]explain the "smarter" owners business model plz...

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    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2839714]This is very legit and I do not mean to imply that all middle-class have squandered money on luxury items. I recently moved from a metro area to the
    country and see people maxing out their credit cards on heating oil. And driving old subarus because they're the chepest 4wd vehicles.

    But there is another segment of people who have got into debt trying desperately to appear successful.[/QUOTE]

    I knew who you were talking about. Trust me, I've worked on all their houses. People who feigned wealth...just like their house was feigning it's value. 60 thousand dollars worth of particle board, vinyl siding and cheap Home Depot crap does not equal 450k.

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    Well, i pay 50% of my money to the government. I am incorporated and file my taxes quarterly and still get abso****inglutely RAKED across the coles each year. I for one don't have a problem with other people pulling a little more weight around here.;)

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2839731]I knew who you were talking about. Trust me, I've worked on all their houses. People who feigned wealth...just like their house was feigning it's value. 60 thousand dollars worth of particle board, vinyl siding and cheap Home Depot crap does not equal 450k.[/QUOTE]

    I lived in metro NY and Chicago. I worked on a trading floor for years. Since moving up here, my finances have gone down but my contentment has gone up. Nobody is driving BMWs or Mercedes. Very few have big homes and nobody cares about the size of your house. It's not perfect, there's a naivety here that can be exploited by people . But I've got to tell you, I'm so damn happy to be out of the ratrace of trying to keep up with the Joneses. Whoever coined the term rat race should be commended for nailing it perfectly. Sometimes you have to step out of the sh*tstorm to realize you were in one.

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    [QUOTE=jayjay;2839743]Well, i pay 50% of my money to the government. I am incorporated and file my taxes quarterly and still get abso****inglutely RAKED across the coles each year. I for one don't have a problem with other people pulling a little more weight around here.;)[/QUOTE]

    Why are you on the InTeRnEtZ then? Shouldn't you be working? ;)

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    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2839757]I lived in metro NY and Chicago. I worked on a trading floor for years. Since moving up here, my finances have gone down but my contentment has gone up. Nobody is driving BMWs or Mercedes. Very few have big homes and nobody cares about the size of your house. It's not perfect, there's a naivety here that can be exploited by people . But I've got to tell you, I'm so damn happy to be out of the ratrace of trying to keep up with the Joneses. Whoever coined the term rat race should be commended for nailing it perfectly. Sometimes you have to step out of the sh*tstorm to realize you were in one.[/QUOTE]

    I know exactly what your saying. People love to badmouth Western New York all the time...I used to be one of them. But, living out here in the proverbial middle of nowhere is awesome. To hell with all that asphalt, car exhaust, malls and franchise restaurants.

    Yesterday, I was walking down the street of my town with my Jets jacket on. Almost every single person I walked past booed me. It was great! If I walked around the 'burbs of the NYC area in a Bills jersey a couple of people MIGHT say something. But up here it's great. Everyone is a Bills fan, God bless them. Even the grocery stores pipe in the Bills radio broadcast. I may be the butt of their jokes wearing the green and white...but the sense of community is a lot stronger.

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    I'm surprised at how many of you don't do you homework on this tax thing. The Right as usual is dishing out erroneous information.
    Under 250K , you pay no tax, from 200 to 250, you don't get an increase but you don't get a break either, it remains the same. When Biden mentioned that
    someone making 150 would not have their taxes go up he was not referring to the threshold , he was just referring to someone making 150. Clearly many just don't believe Obama either way, as if we should believe anything any Republican ever says anymore. The end is near....The walls are caving in.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2839762]Why are you on the InTeRnEtZ then? Shouldn't you be working? ;)[/QUOTE]

    I AM working. I have many jobs. I work constantly. I always concentrate on NEW ways to earn money, internet articles, webisodes, writing books, television, stand up comedy, voice overs for video games, movies, personal appearances, selling merchandise etc...I have never, since the age of NINETEEN, simply "went to work and went home". I get taxed 50% for my efforts so spare me if I don't cry if your taxes go up. much respect to you though.

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    [QUOTE=jayjay;2839845]I AM working. I have many jobs. I work constantly. I always concentrate on NEW ways to earn money, internet articles, webisodes, writing books, television, stand up comedy, voice overs for video games, movies, personal appearances, selling merchandise etc...I have never, since the age of NINETEEN, simply "went to work and went home". I get taxed 50% for my efforts so spare me if I don't cry if your taxes go up. much respect to you though.[/QUOTE]

    Which is why I can't figure out, for the life of me, why so many people in your industry are bleeding heart liberals, ready and willing to fork over their hard-earned money in the form of tax increases.

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    The word socialism has popped up more here lately. Does anyone have a problem with adults working hard for 40 hours and making only $6.50 an hour.
    I've got a problem with families trying to live on $13,000 a year and I'd like to see it raised to a living wage. I guess I'm calling for at least a partial re-distribution of wealth. Am I a socialist?

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2839850]Which is why I can't figure out, for the life of me, why so many people in your industry are bleeding heart liberals, ready and willing to fork over their hard-earned money in the form of tax increases.[/QUOTE]

    I'm not saying they are right or wrong, but I admire people who don't necessarily vote with their wallets. Most people vote by way of self interest.

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    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2839866]I'm not saying they are right or wrong, but I admire people who don't necessarily vote with their wallets. Most people vote by way of self interest.[/QUOTE]

    I have no problem with charity, as long as it's not government mandated.

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    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2839859]The word socialism has popped up more here lately. Does anyone have a problem with adults working hard for 40 hours and making only $6.50 an hour.[/quote]

    I don't know......what do they do? What is the value of their labor?

    Not every job is worth $100,000 a year.

    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2839859]I've got a problem with families trying to live on $13,000 a year and I'd like to see it raised to a living wage. I guess I'm calling for at least a partial re-distribution of wealth. Am I a socialist?[/QUOTE]

    Huh? Who is going to "raise it"? The Government?

    So whats the threshold then? Should eveyone make $100,000 a year at minimum? I could get with that, that would be quite a raise for me.

    Or is it $50K?

    And yes, believing that equallity of outcome is what matters, not equallity of opportunity, then yes, you are a Socialist.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2839850]Which is why I can't figure out, for the life of me, why so many people in your industry are bleeding heart liberals, ready and willing to fork over their hard-earned money in the form of tax increases.[/QUOTE]

    I don't know my friend. I don't know. For the record, I am a registered independent.

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    [QUOTE=jayjay;2839879]I don't know my friend. I don't know. For the record, I am a registered independent.[/QUOTE]

    I gotcha.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2839876]I don't know......what do they do? What is the value of their labor?

    Not every job is worth $100,000 a year.

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    I think there is a lot of space between $13,000 and $100,000.

    How much should it be? I don't know. I don't know how much a livable wage is. I just know it shouldn't be $13,000,$50,000 or $100,000.

    I like your extreme answer though. A lot of the republicans here see democrats as unemployed malt liquor drinkers living off the rich. A lot of the democrats here see republicans as hording executives who hide their money away to avoid taxes. Like everything in life there's very little black and white and a lot of gray.

    I'd like to see minimum wage raised, maybe I'm a socialist, I've never really thought of myself as a socialist but maybe I am. I'd also like to see Americans
    have access to medical care. You can make the argument that all adults have the opportunity to make something of themselves, and if they don't it's their own fault, but I don't want to penalize their kids.

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    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2839859]The word socialism has popped up more here lately. Does anyone have a problem with adults working hard for 40 hours and making only $6.50 an hour.
    I've got a problem with families trying to live on $13,000 a year and I'd like to see it raised to a living wage. I guess I'm calling for at least a partial re-distribution of wealth. Am I a socialist?[/QUOTE]

    No, I don't have a problem with adults working hard and making $6.50 and hour. Minimum wage is minimum wage for a reason. You shouldn't want to STAY there. It is usually a job for teen agers or adults that have hit a hardship (in theory). If you could pull more than $250 a week at a minimum wage job, you may not try and be something MORE. That is what a capitalist society rewards (again, in theory), hard work and moving forward. The more you arn, the more you can put back into the kitty's bely and it keeps chugging along like that. If you think the minimum wage is unfair, I have no problem with that. But let's not pretend a human being should be paid $300 a week for actually mopping floors. That money comes out of the big pot also. I would much rather see the salaries of TEACHERS doubled. SO , there. A little left, a little right. jj

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    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2839866]I'm not saying they are right or wrong, but I admire people who don't necessarily vote with their wallets. Most people vote by way of self interest.[/QUOTE]

    The government acts in its best interest, therefore, so do I.

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    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2839859]The word socialism has popped up more here lately. Does anyone have a problem with adults working hard for 40 hours and making only $6.50 an hour.
    I've got a problem with families trying to live on $13,000 a year and I'd like to see it raised to a living wage. I guess I'm calling for at least a partial re-distribution of wealth. Am I a socialist?[/QUOTE]

    The ironic thing is that minimum wage increases hurt the poor the most. If an owner’s labor costs increase, he will lower his payroll. Is that what we need? More unemployment? Who are we to tell workers that they can’t work for a wage that they accept?

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    The extremes are what people rally against. For me, I am enraged at the CEO salaries. Who are these guys? Rock Stars? Standup comics? (hehe)

    How you can pay someone 10-20 million a year to be the head of a corporation is unbelievable to me. They are not worth that much money and they are a drain on the corporate earnings. Most of these guys don't generate revenues, they're freakin managers.

    These bloodsuckers try to make up for their drain by cutting other labor expenses to the bone. So instead of paying decent wages to hard-working Americans, these guys outsource the jobs and ruin our economy.

    Everytime jobs are outsourced the gap between haves and have-nots grows and the middle class gets hurt. The people getting cut get hurt the worst, but those that keep their jobs lose leverage and end up with stagnant wages.

    Why can't a CEO make a wage that's 25 times that of a middle manager like it used to be? That's a nice 2.5M dollar salary. All of us would strive to get that position.

    Why does it have to be 575 times greater than a middle manager and as result have to cut 20% of middle manager staff and eliminate 20% of jobs across the board and hurt our economy?

    The answer is greed and that greed has been unchecked by our society lately.

    I love capitalism but as it has been said many times... The problem with capitalism, is capitalists.
    Last edited by dcJet; 11-03-2008 at 06:43 PM.

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