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    Rudy will go down as having one of the worst run campaign in modern history and Bernie Kerik says hey.

    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;2842827]Rudy's the man cr, and I'm not going to get worked up over something everyone knew about months in advance. We Republicans have four years to get our act together and make a run in 2012.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=JCnflies;2842826]Xing,

    I am too tired to read all of your posts. I know that's disrespectful and, if I should take anything out of context, I apologize in advance.

    You are not really trying to suggest that Bush was anything close to a competent President? I sure hope not.

    If there is one thing America has always cringed at, it is the notion that someone should get something for nothing. yet Bush was so pathetic that it looks like, today, America is about to choose someone who preaches exactly that ......... the closest thing this country has seen to socialism, as a repudiation of George W Bush.

    As much as that is downright depressing, we get to stomach this. The only worse President in my lifetime than Bush is Carter. Guess who are next President is? Jimmy Carter on 'roids. happy days are here again![/QUOTE]

    Happy days indeed...

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    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;2842791]
    All of my uncles served in Vietnam, my best friend served in Iraq, and they supported the wars they were in as well as the current one. Does that count?

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    No. Your uncles and best friends are brave men who fought hard for all Americans, including me. But those wars were nothing but meat grinders for thousands of kids who never got to grow up. We haven't had a war worth fighting in since World War II.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2842838]Rudy will go down as having one of the worst run campaign in modern history and Bernie Kerik says hey.[/QUOTE]

    He was a good enough mayor, even if he was an atrocious campaigner.

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    [QUOTE=Timmy-y-y-y;2842840]No. Your uncles and best friends are brave men who fought hard for all Americans, including me. But those wars were nothing but meat grinders for thousands of kids who never got to grow up. We haven't had a war worth fighting in since World War II.[/QUOTE]

    Korea?

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    [QUOTE=piney;2842829]I voted for Bush in 2000 and was disgusted with the choices in 2004 so I did not vote for president, nice try though....

    I am not an ideologue who only votes for a party.

    I would not be running to the ledge if McCain was winning, I would be disappointed because I think McCain is too old, too wrong, and too controlled by his party to be effective.

    This is a great moment, because now the Dems have to put up or shut up.

    If they fail as miserably as you think they will, then it will cripple them.[/QUOTE]

    It's all on Obama now, and the Dems, to quote an altered but famous statement "won't have old Bush to kick around anymore".

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    [B][COLOR="Red"]Change.[/COLOR][/B]

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    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;2842846]It's all on Obama now, and the Dems, to quote an altered but famous statement "won't have old Bush to kick around anymore".[/QUOTE]

    I think they have a task ahead of them that will be impossible to accomplish...the Dems and Obama will need in order to at least garner a nuetral voice from their detractors...

    no personal attack here at all, but guys like you, who are obviously very anti Dem will be chomping at the bit on day one. They will never do enough for you and people who may have the same party loyalty.

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    I know as a conservative I am loving it. People in this country think Obama will save the world with magic wave of his liberal agenda he will spend his way to prosperity. It wont happen I cant wait for all the 62 year old Obama voters who when they break out there 401k will end up getting nailed in high capital Gains tax. And after Obama punishes all the corporations will end up watching massive Corporations move off shore and eliminate jobs. I cant wait for $7.00 gas in 4 years to pay for the massive universal health care insurance. Yes in 4 years people will finally see what Europeon socialism is all about. Now in 4 years people will be crying how bad things will really get. It will take about 2 years to see the full effects of Obamas liberal policies. Im not arguing it come back in 4 years to complain and I will say I told you so you got what you wanted now live with it

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    [QUOTE=nyjets1969;2842857]I know as a conservative I am loving it. People in this country think Obama will save the world with magic wave of his liberal agenda he will spend his way to prosperity. It wont happen I cant wait for all the 62 year old Obama voters who when they break out there 401k will end up getting nailed in high capital Gains tax. And after Obama punishes all the corporations will end up watching massive Corporations move off shore and eliminate jobs. I cant wait for $7.00 gas in 4 years to pay for the massive universal health care insurance. Yes in 4 years people will finally see what Europeon socialism is all about. Now in 4 years people will be crying how bad things will really get. It will take about 2 years to see the full effects of Obamas liberal policies. Im not arguing it come back in 4 years to complain and I will say I told you so you got what you wanted now live with it[/QUOTE]

    so I guess if none of that happens he has your vote in 2012?

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    You guys got it, enjoy every minute of it.

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    Umm, Obama is now your President too.

    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;2842873]You guys got it, enjoy every minute of it.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;2842873]You guys got it, enjoy every minute of it.[/QUOTE]

    jeez, I hope you aren't now rooting for America to fail

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    [QUOTE=piney;2842829]I voted for Bush in 2000 and was disgusted with the choices in 2004 so I did not vote for president, nice try though....

    I am not an ideologue who only votes for a party.

    I would not be running to the ledge if McCain was winning, I would be disappointed because I think McCain is too old, too wrong, and too controlled by his party to be effective.

    This is a great moment, because now the Dems have to put up or shut up.

    If they fail as miserably as you think they will, then it will cripple them.[/QUOTE]

    Very accurate and very insightful. For years the Dems have been pushing this far left progressive agenda nd now they have the pieces in place. As a whole, we are a slightly right of center country slowly moving left.

    Kudos for saying it is put up or shut up time. Personally, I was never excited about McCain, but I was about Palin (though I think she is adecade or so from being a srrious candidate.) In a backwards way, there is a plus to McCain's defeat. He is not a fiscal conservative. Let the world see the screw up and from the ashes will rise an opposite - as BO to GWB.

    I just pray we don;t get nuked by a terrorist first....

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2842877]Umm, Obama is now your President too.[/QUOTE]

    Not yet, I have until January 20th to say Bush is everyone's president. :yes:

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    [QUOTE=piney;2842880]jeez, I hope you aren't now rooting for America to fail[/QUOTE]

    I'm not, but I think this will bring a lot more bad than it will good.

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    [QUOTE=nyjets1969;2842857]I know as a conservative I am loving it. People in this country think Obama will save the world with magic wave of his liberal agenda he will spend his way to prosperity. It wont happen I cant wait for all the 62 year old Obama voters who when they break out there 401k will end up getting nailed in high capital Gains tax. And after Obama punishes all the corporations will end up watching massive Corporations move off shore and eliminate jobs. I cant wait for $7.00 gas in 4 years to pay for the massive universal health care insurance. Yes in 4 years people will finally see what Europeon socialism is all about. Now in 4 years people will be crying how bad things will really get. It will take about 2 years to see the full effects of Obamas liberal policies. Im not arguing it come back in 4 years to complain and I will say I told you so you got what you wanted now live with it[/QUOTE]

    You can't be serious with this post.
    The country is in a crisis and you assume the new guy will be worse
    for the economy than the policies of the previous administration.
    Genius.

    Let's bet.

    If the country is in better shape in 4 years, you get to eat
    a pile of dog sh*t. If it's worse. I'll eat it.

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    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;2842791]I listed more than aid to Africa, why not talk about the rest? The aid to Africa saved millions of lives, anyone could have done it but Bush did it, that's what matters.



    No he didn't he wasn't a Senator.



    If these "manufactured reasons" were the cause for war then explain this to me. Why did Saddam Hussein claim to have those WMDs? Why did the CIA claim he had them, as did many other foreign intelligence agencies? I'll admit we shouldn't have gone into Iraq seeing the mess we had to fix afterwords, but if you believe your President went to war for self-interest you should be outside calling for a revolution, not an election. Point being, this war was an example of how our intelligence agencies failed us at a pivitol point where news of a terrorist threat would cause public outcry



    A "tragedy" you will remedy by doing what? By electing a man who would have doomed Iraq to failure had he gotten his way in 2006? By electing a man who will meet unconditionally with every anti-American tyrant without reason? By electing a candidate without any accomplishments or any prior administrative position? You are taking a blind leap of faith by assuming that this jackass is going to turn sh*t into daisies by virtue of the fact that he's not George Bush. Let me say this once so people are not confused: this topic is not about George Bush, it is about Barack Obama.



    All of my uncles served in Vietnam, my best friend served in Iraq, and they supported the wars they were in as well as the current one. Does that count? And what makes me a "whining puke" for criticizing your limp d*ck unaccomplished excuse for a President? Am I supposed to shut my mouth for the next four years just because someone I don't like is in office?



    You have an interesting and fascinating heritage to be proud of, my dad immigrated here from Ireland in '81, my mom's side of the family came from Ukraine in the 1910s. We are a working class family with family members in the military, and I plan to join within the next two years. There's my heritage but what does it mean?



    I'm not going to defend the PNAC f*cks because I can't, but this topic isn't about Bush it's about this bullsh*t knee jerk change we are going through tonight. It was wrong to go into Iraq, but what do you do? Do you withdraw in 2006 and consign that entire region to unremitting civil war? Do you split the nation into three and hope for the best? Or do you fix the situation and allow a withdrawal from a position of strength?



    You want to say that Bush is a terrible president, fine, your in the same boat as 77% of America right now. But if you want to say he has done nothing right you are fooling yourself, Iraq was a mistake, a mistake Bush fixed by allowing the troops to win the war. What did LBJ do when he was in a similar fix? He ran from office and let South Vietnam collapse.



    I don't remember Mike Mullen being fired for criticizing Bush on Iranian policy, and if I remember correctly Bush put Odierno and Petraeus in charge of Iraq and fixed a huge problem.



    Your reason is mistaken, he never voted against the war he said he was against the war and voted for all of the subsequent spending bills.



    If you want to say Bush is an idiot and Obama is a real man, that's cool, but real men don't vote present 100 times. Real men don't say they would have voted against a plan that fixed Iraq even if they knew in advance that it would. F*ck him, why should I vote for an ******* like this?[/QUOTE]

    Xing,
    Thanks for the reply. Obama would have voted against the war.
    He is against it as many others were. Let's not get too technical here.
    You got my point. Bush forced a very bad agenda on the people of this country.
    Plenty of other despots around the world. ( I personally would
    shoot Robert Mugabe in the head or occupy Burma for no other reason
    than we WOULD be treated as liberators-both of those countries-Zimbabwe
    and Myanmar-are begging for democracy). I simply believe a guy like B.O.
    might have paused long and hard and worked with the much larger international community
    before commiting the people and resources to an endless quagmire in Iraq. Obama is a
    thoughtful, intelligent person. George Bush is not. I'm sorry if you don't agree but it is a simple truth and it
    has had unbearable consequences.
    Your rhetoric that Bush has fixed something that has allowed the troops to
    win the war is hollow, simplistic and completely unsupportable by fact.
    Our countrymen are dying there today, tomorrow and for the forseeable
    future with no exit strategy in place, no thriving Iraqi government or democracy in place. Meanwhile we are undermanned in Afghanistan where
    the Al Queda movement was born and continues to grow. We have inflamed
    and enraged the entire muslim world, completely alienated our long-standing
    European allies and tarnished our reputation arond the world (not to mention
    bankrupting our own economy).

    I don't really care if people like or dislike our next president. I'd appreciate
    if people would not make assumptions about him (as you said he voted
    present 100x. I have no idea, nor do you, what he'll really do.) My rant in
    response to your rant was a simple one: a reasoned person might have
    not attacked a sovreign country, without REALLY good reasons and without the true, deep support of our allies, without deep consultation first. I truly
    believe, which is supported by credible evidence, that Bush rushed to war.
    My hope is that Barack Obama is not this type of leader. I'm deeply and gravely concerned for the well-being of the entire free world and sense
    we need compassionate, intelligent people making the big decisions.

    We've seen enough killing. We need to move the whole thing in a new direction. Your Irish heritage, and mine, also informs us that tribal conflict
    is as deep as humanity. The Irish(and the Scots, the English-before the Norman conquest-the Iraqis, Palestinians, the Tibetans.....the list goes on and on throughout History) don't like being occupied and will fight to the death to overthrow the occupiers. It's pretty straight forward. Occupiers
    get thrown out eventually. Empires collapse because of Hubris.

    My grandfather, the WWI pilot trainer, said the solution to all global conflict is trade. I believe it.
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    i've got news for you, xing - look at the map - it ain't just democrats who elected obama.

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    [QUOTE=XingDaorong;2842430]Oh man, I wish I could be a real man like VincenzoTesteverde or HitSomeone41 and call anyone who disagrees with me a whiner. That takes a serious set of balls to post a picture of a baby crying as a response when I have nothing to contribute myself.

    Why do I care? I'm talking to two choice morons who will defend every DNC talking point, stance, initiative, or politician regardless of whether you can prove it or not. Whenever someone raises questions about foreign policy, economics, social issues, or domestic policies that cast a Democratic or left-wing politician in an unfavorable light you swoop in and save the day by blaming it on Bush. When you can't disprove an accusation you ignore it, leave the discussion, or carry on with stupid bs like you are now. I'm not like you, if I have a problem with a Republican policy or politician I will speak about it directly, and I don't sugar coat their talking points with sympathetic musings about how Democrats can't do better. You want to call me a whiner for posting this topic? Great, shows your level of maturity and intellect and your ability to carry on any sort of discussion. It just proves my point, all it is was about winning, you can't defend your candidates because you don't know what they stand for or how to defend the things you do know about them.[/QUOTE]

    [IMG]http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/images/300/baby_crying_closeup.jpg[/IMG]

    WAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANTED ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF WAR AND RECESSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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