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    Alright, fellow conservatives. It's time to mount up and start a revolution. Tonight we concede, tomorrow we begin the fight.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;2843040]The 1970s. 2008, it's been done before.[/QUOTE]

    Yup, and if they want to stick around, it has to change back to pre-Bush. When you look this unorganized compared to the effing Democrats of all people, you're on your way down. Best thing that can happen for the Repubs is a conservative coming along who mainstream America can rally around. And I pray to God that it isn't Palin. They've got a long road ahead, but it's certainly fixable.

    Dubya is the worst thing ever to happen to that party.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2843046]Alright, fellow conservatives. It's time to mount up and start a revolution. Tonight we concede, tomorrow we begin the fight.[/QUOTE]

    For whom are we fighting? Mark Sanford? Charlie Crist? Bobby Jindal?

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    [QUOTE=Das Ken;2843227]For whom are we fighting? Mark Sanford? Charlie Crist? Bobby Jindal?[/QUOTE]

    I actually think a Jindal vs Obama race would be incredible to watch. The debates alone would make that worth it.

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    I like Jindal, personally.

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    I think what Reid and Pelosi are going to try and do over the next several years with Obama in tow will do more to unite and energize the conservatives than anything else that could be done.

    Jimmy Carter part deux.

    Or worse, Herbert Hoover.
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    I see him as the GOP's version of Obama in the whole forever-angling-to-be-president area. Everything seems to be calculated for maximum political benefit. Also his accent is ridiculous.

    And supposedly Crist is gay and Sanford is just plain dull. So I really don't know who's going to step up... but if the best the Republican party can do is another round of Huckabee/Romney we're all in trouble.

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    [QUOTE=piney;2842984]we will see, I think if not Palin, someone similar will be the next big Republican.

    She energized the base, to me, that makes the base scary[/QUOTE]

    I think her energizing the base was as much of a media creation as it was reality. The news networks, especially Fox, saw that this was shaping up as a wipeout on election day from very early on and needed to start throwing out stories as to how this was bringing McCain right back to the top to keep interest in the coverage and drama. The effort that went behind McCain/Palin was a 1/4 of the effort that went behind Bush the last two times. As it turned out the networks all had to be terribly disappointed with how last night turned out. Instead of getting the TV bonanzas they had the last few elections going deep into the night with fancy maps and all kinds of people talking about the possibilities they got an election that was decided by 8:30 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Das Ken;2843237]I see him as the GOP's version of Obama in the whole forever-angling-to-be-president area. Everything seems to be calculated for maximum political benefit. [B]Also his accent is ridiculous[/B].[/QUOTE]

    Lol, I have to admit, it freaks me out every time he starts speaking too.

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    [QUOTE=RutgersJetFan;2843230]I actually think a Jindal vs Obama race would be incredible to watch. The debates alone would make that worth it.[/QUOTE]

    Steele would also make for a riveting watch. The guy is on point and truly knows his stuff.

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    Best choice.....let the Republican Party rot and die. If the religious zealots want to keep it, and wallow in their own stupid cult-like superstitions, let them.

    Personally, I am disgusted with the Republican party, and hoep they never win another election. Not one.

    This is a bad day for a guy like me. One party now rules who I have almost no agreement with, and the party I might have agreed with is run by rcounter-productive religious zealots (and big govt. spenders) of the Sarah Palin stripe.

    If I see Palin in 2012, I will vote Democrat. I never want to see her, or anyone like her, again.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2843474]Best choice.....let the Republican Party rot and die. If the religious zealots want to keep it, and wallow in their own stupid cult-like superstitions, let them.

    Personally, I am disgusted with the Republican party, and hoep they never win another election. Not one.

    This is a bad day for a guy like me. One party now rules who I have almost no agreement with, and the party I might have agreed with is run by rcounter-productive religious zealots (and big govt. spenders) of the Sarah Palin stripe.

    If I see Palin in 2012, I will vote Democrat. I never want to see her, or anyone like her, again.[/QUOTE]

    :clapper:

    Agreed 100%..

    Fox interviewed a young guy that just got elected to the house last night. Unfortunately I don't remember his name, but he was talking teh sexy small government talk. I liked it..

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    Good article on the subject from a Republican representative. I like some of what Iíve been hearing from this Jeff Flake guy.

    [QUOTE]A Way Out of the Wilderness

    By Jeff Flake
    Wednesday, November 5, 2008; Page A23
    Well, we Republicans have just made history. Not the type of history we wanted to make, mind you, but history nonetheless. Not only did we lose the White House but, after losing our House and Senate majorities in 2006, we followed it up last night with even steeper losses in Congress.
    In January, Democrats will enjoy lopsided congressional ratios not seen since the 1970s. Let's face it: We Republicans are now, by any reasonable measurement, deep in the political wilderness.

    The temptation for Republican members of Congress today will be to assume the role of the post-Watergate Republicans of 1974 and accept minority status as a permanent condition. Indeed, the terrain is more difficult for us now than it was in 1992. Then, Republicanism was still largely defined by the Reagan years. Today the party is defined in the public mind by the Bush presidency. We've got a steep hill to climb.

    Much of the backroom maneuvering and media speculation in the coming weeks will focus on identifying new standard-bearers for the party. This is important, and after a second straight drubbing, the House Republican leadership should be replaced. But the far more critical task is determining what standard these new leaders will bear.

    I suggest that we return to first principles. At the top of that list has to be a recommitment to limited government. After eight years of profligate spending and soaring deficits, voters can be forgiven for not knowing that limited government has long been the first article of faith for Republicans.

    Of course, it's not the level of spending that gets the most attention; it's the manner in which the spending is allocated. The proliferation of earmarks is largely a product of the Gingrich-DeLay years, and it's no surprise that some of the most ardent practitioners were earmarked by the voters for retirement yesterday. Few Americans will take seriously Republican speeches on limited government if we Republicans can't wean ourselves from this insidious practice. But if we can go clean, it will offer a stark contrast to the Democrats, who, after two years in training, already have their own earmark favor factory running at full tilt.

    Second, we need to recommit to our belief in economic freedom. Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations" may be on the discount rack this year, but the free market is still the most efficient means to allocate capital and human resources in an economy, and Americans know it. Now that we've inserted government deeply into the private sector by bailing out banks and businesses, the temptation will be for government to overstay its welcome and force the distribution of resources to serve political ends. Substituting political for economic incentives is not the recipe for economic recovery.

    Most House Republicans opposed the recent bailout and will be in a strong position to promote economic freedom over central planning as the Obama administration stumbles from industry to industry trying to determine which is small enough to be allowed to fail and which is not. Since timetables will be in vogue, perhaps Republicans could even insist on a timetable for getting the government out of the private sector.

    There are, of course, other pillars of the Republican standard -- strong national defense, support for traditional values and the Second Amendment -- but these are not areas where voters question Republican bona fides. In any event, as we have seen over the past several months, economic woes tend to subsume other concerns. We shouldn't complain. We can now play our strongest hand.

    In some respects, raising a new standard was made easier by yesterday's rout. The Republican Party is not bound by election-year promises made by its presidential nominee. More important, the party is finally untethered from the ill-fitting and unworkable big-government conservatism that defined the Bush administration.

    This is not to say that it will be an easy transition. Congressional Republicans picked up some unattractive habits over the years in an effort to hold on to power. Whether it was relying on the redistricting process to help us choose our constituents, using the appropriations process as an ATM or passing legislation -- such as a generous prescription drug benefit and a bloated farm bill -- to pacify individual constituencies, these habits and voting patterns will be hard to break.

    But there is reason for Republicans to feel optimism. Politically, America remains a center-right country, and America loves a chastened and repentant sinner. As surely as the sun rises in the east, the Democrats will overreach.

    As long as we Republicans are willing to admit our folly, get back to first principles and work like there's no tomorrow, we've got 'em just where we want 'em.

    [I]The writer, a Republican, represents Arizona's 6th District in the U.S. House.[/I]
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    i'm with you. first off it's time to put the word conserve back into conservative. once done i would want to draft petreaus for 2012. it's going to take some real horsepower to clean up the mess. we need someone who has and will protect the constitution not dismantle it.

    [QUOTE=MnJetFan;2842070]It is time for us to take back the Republican Party. We must start at the local level and get some new blood into the system. It is time to get rid of the Rhinos. We have 2 years to the next elections and 2 more after that to take back the country. So let us start right now! We must succeed. :feedback:[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=CTM;2843480]:clapper:

    Agreed 100%..

    Fox interviewed a young guy that just got elected to the house last night. Unfortunately I don't remember his name, but he was talking teh sexy small government talk. I liked it..[/QUOTE]

    Paul Ryan

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    [QUOTE=49ersJetsfan;2843382]Steele would also make for a riveting watch. The guy is on point and truly knows his stuff.[/QUOTE]

    +1 Michael Steele is my favorite politician, hands down. Great guy.

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