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  1. #21
    [QUOTE=parafly;2842092]Shift the power of the Republican party from the religious social conservatives back to the fiscal conservatives. That would be the party's best and most effective course of action.[/QUOTE]

    + a katrillion.

    I've been telling my parents I want McCain to get demolished today, in the hopes that the Republican party as we know it will be destroyed, and moral conservatism will be replaced by intellectual conservatism.

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    You guys are missing it. The real fiscal conservatives are out there. They've realized a long time ago that the Republican party is no more. And that there are other major issues not even being addressed by either side.

    We're called Libertarians. Educate yourselves on FairTax and get on the bandwagon.

    And yes, freestater. We support legalization.

  3. #23
    [QUOTE=Guido Monzino;2842352]You guys are missing it. The real fiscal conservatives are out there. They've realized a long time ago that the Republican party is no more. And that there are other major issues not even being addressed by either side.

    We're called Libertarians. Educate yourselves on FairTax and get on the bandwagon.

    And yes, freestater. We support legalization.[/QUOTE]

    I think the fiscal conservatives should become libertarians and the evangelicals takeover the republican party completely -- go to a three party system.;)

  4. #24
    [QUOTE=jetstream23;2842098]+ 1

    Social moderates, fiscal conservatives![/QUOTE]

    I agree:) But wouldn;t you say no gay marraige and no late term aborition is moderate social agenda? What is so outrageous?

    Wanting it to be OK to mention God in a public forum?

    Assuming we lose this election, being pro-God had absolutely nothing to do with it; in fact, were it not for Palin being friendly to the religious core, McCain would be 5 - 10 points further behind - easy.

    Assuming we lose, the cause is that Bush's policies hurt the economy. Were the economy strong, we win.

    What was Clinton's mantra? It's the economy, stupid...... What did Obama campaign on.... McCain = 4 more years of Bush.

    Bush campaigned as a compassionate conservative and the only conservative things he did were to cut taxes and appt justices. Everything else was far from the Conservative ideal. In fact, if he would have cut spending and thought twice about a war he clearly wanted, tomorrow would be President McCain for sure.

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    [QUOTE=fukushimajin;2842393]I think the fiscal conservatives should become libertarians and the evangelicals takeover the republican party completely -- go to a three party system.;)[/QUOTE]

    I would like to nominate a 4th party. Democrats that put the right to worship the God of your choice in public as greater than the right to put porn in public.

    The truth is that most Americans would probably vote for a party that is a moderate compromise between both parties.

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    Guido

    Fair or flat tax - I'm with you!

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    [QUOTE=Guido Monzino;2842352]You guys are missing it. The real fiscal conservatives are out there. They've realized a long time ago that the Republican party is no more. And that there are other major issues not even being addressed by either side.

    We're called Libertarians. Educate yourselves on FairTax and get on the bandwagon.

    And yes, freestater. We support legalization.[/QUOTE]
    I [U]am[/U] a registered Libertarian.

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    [QUOTE=JCnflies;2842539]Democrats that put the right to worship the God of your choice in public as greater than the right to put porn in public.[/QUOTE]

    What does this even mean?

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    [quote=jetstream23;2842098]+ 1

    Social moderates, fiscal conservatives![/quote]

    + 1,000,000

    The crazy thing is if they ran someone like that, they'd put NY in play.

  10. #30
    [QUOTE=doggin94it;2842664]+ 1,000,000

    The crazy thing is if they ran someone like that, they'd put NY in play.[/QUOTE]

    and they would lose a ton of the typical red states..

    what the Republicans should do and what they will do are not the same thing. For the Republican party to abandon social conservatism would mean to splinter the party..I think they are married to the religious right til death do they part.

  11. #31
    [QUOTE=piney;2842669]and they would lose a ton of the typical red states..

    what the Republicans should do and what they will do are not the same thing. For the Republican party to abandon social conservatism would mean to splinter the party..I think they are married to the religious right til death do they part.[/QUOTE]

    A total split wouldn't be necessary, but some kind of change is in order. What we need is the right candidate.

    There are no decent politicians. :(

  12. #32
    Im not sure if you need to take back a party or make sweeping changes if all you care about is seeing republicans win. A wipeout like this, and this is a whooping by the Dems tonight, will bridge the gap between the Republicans who probably would lean more Libertarian if they ever thought about a 3rd party and those who make up the religious backbone of the party.

    The Republicans never had a chance tonight. Bush has made a mess of the country the last 4 years and the economic collapse was the final straw.

    In some ways I think losses like this are good for the country. Everyone in the government should be blamed for the mess that we are in. Too many of those people spend time campaigning, pretending to be TV and radio celebrities, and traveling around rather than representing the actual people who elected them. Getting some of these incumbents, regardless of party affiliation, out of the house and senate is a step in the right direction for us. Hopefully in the next election more of them will get bumped out of their seats and most of them will likely be replaced by Republicans.

  13. #33
    Good reply, Jason.
    This thread is what is wrong with this country now.
    Us vs Them. Left vs Right. Rep. vs Dem.
    Seriously-this country is in trouble and needs to
    unite a bit more. Stop with the idiotic rants
    (please see my reply to Xingdaorong's rant
    about the Dems winning with the least qualified
    candidate...) about taking back the country.
    The political infighting has become poisonous
    to the welfare of this country and ALL of it's
    citizens. We've lost sight of the goal.

    I'd vote for a trained rabbit if I felt it would
    do the BEST job for the citizens of this country.

    I just happen to feel that Obama might be better
    for the country as a whole right now.

  14. #34
    In fact, here is my counter-rant to Xing's rant
    which might be applicable here:

    "Astounding, really.

    Xing:

    Your rant is kind of pathetic, vitriolic and confusing. You want Obama
    supporters to state their reasons for supporting the candidate albeit
    one with limited political experience. The thread goes on for 9 pages
    where we discover that your elected president, GW Bush, after 8 years in
    office, will go down in History as the President who will be most remembered
    for giving the most financial aid to Africa.

    Here's one reason I support Obama: He voted against invading Iraq.

    Spare me the revisionist spew. There are reams of documents proving
    without a shadow of a doubt that Bush, pushed by America's Biggest
    Dick- Cheney -and his neocon imbeciles, manufactured reasons to
    invade Iraq. No plan for managing the invasion, no exit strategy-"I don't
    do quagmires" said Dumsfeld (Along with "shock and awe", "we'll be greeted
    as liberators"....on and on...) This as just ONE example of a President with
    no vision, restraint, diplomatic capabilities, or concern for his own country.

    Read the interview with Brent Scowcroft who went on record as being a
    very vocal opponent of GW Bush's hubris and the ensuing mess which
    has ensued. This, again, as just one small example of what I consider to be the tragedy
    of the last 8 years for this country and my fellow citizens.

    You come off as a whining puke-about 26 years old-who knows little
    or nothing about the consequences of political missteps. Have any friends
    who served in Vietnam? Old enough to know anything about Korea?

    My grandfather served as a pilot trainer in WWI. My Uncle was wounded
    in the Battle of the Bulge (that's WWII if you don't know), My father served
    in the Counter Intelligence Corp during Korea. My Great x10 Grandfather
    served in the militia and was wounded during King Philips War(also called
    Metacom's Rebellion). Here's a little quote or two about that war which few,
    if any, know about "King Philip’s War resulted in the destruction of families and communities, Native and colonist alike, throughout New England. It took decades for the colonists to recover from the loss of life, the property damage and the huge military expenditures.

    The war was devastating for Native Peoples. Entire families were sold into slavery abroad; others were forced to become servants locally. The Wampanoag had to adapt aspects of their culture to survive; their political independence ended. Nevertheless, Native Peoples continued to live in Plymouth Colony. Many maintained tribal ties and a strong sense of community."

    I have numerous ancestors on both my father's and mother's side who fought
    in the American Revolution and the Civil War. There is a road near my home
    that utilizes our surname because it was there "The Nineteenth Regiment assembled on August 19 at Camp Dutton, on Chestnut Hill, east of Litchfield. The camp was named in honor of Lt. Henry M. Dutton of the Fifth Connecticut Volunteers who had fallen at Cedar Mountain only ten days before...."

    If there is ONE THING my family has shared with me, ONE THING
    it is military service and engagemant is an honor and not to be taken lightly.
    I personally find the fact that neither Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld or Rove or
    Feith or Wolfowitz EVER served their country. NEVER. Yet, they engaged our Country, it's resources and it's young men and women, in a senseless crusade. Geogr HW Bush, the Senior, did not attack Iraq. Colin Powell split
    from GW Bush's regime when he knew where they were headed and who was leading the charge.

    You want to rant about winning an election and think your guy has led this
    country honorably for 8 years? You need to wake up and realize that the
    current administration has been a disaster for this country and it's people
    (not to mention the people of Iraq). Get over yourself and your pathetic,
    puny partisan bickering and be human enough to admit that George Bush
    and his cronies have been gutless cowards in their inability to separate
    right from wrong, fact from fiction, leadership from ineptitude.

    The smart people have distanced themselves long ago from these idiots-
    look at the long list of seasoned high ranking military officials who have
    publicly denounced Bush/Cheney (which is akin to career suicide yet the
    morally correct thing to do).

    You wanted a reason to support Obama, I gave you one and my own
    personal reasons for believing that that one vote was enough for me to
    want him as our President.

    What you gave us was a few paragraphs of whining spew about the least
    qualified President. I'd argue that A) he may not be qualified but at least he's
    not an idiot and that B) it takes a real man with a real heart and mind to
    know when he's unqualified and to seek the wise counsel of those with more
    experience. You might try the same."

  15. #35
    [QUOTE=piney;2842669]and they would lose a ton of the typical red states..

    what the Republicans should do and what they will do are not the same thing. For the Republican party to abandon social conservatism would mean to splinter the party..I think they are married to the religious right til death do they part.[/QUOTE]

    keep in mind it wasn't so long ago that social conservatism was a Democrat thing and the Libertarian platform of Goldwater and Reagan reigned over the Republican party.

  16. #36
    [QUOTE=CTjetfan52;2842742]Good reply, Jason.
    This thread is what is wrong with this country now.
    Us vs Them. Left vs Right. Rep. vs Dem.
    Seriously-this country is in trouble and needs to
    unite a bit more. Stop with the idiotic rants
    (please see my reply to Xingdaorong's rant
    about the Dems winning with the least qualified
    candidate...) about taking back the country.
    The political infighting has become poisonous
    to the welfare of this country and ALL of it's
    citizens. We've lost sight of the goal.

    I'd vote for a trained rabbit if I felt it would
    do the BEST job for the citizens of this country.

    I just happen to feel that Obama might be better
    for the country as a whole right now.[/QUOTE]

    Ive never understood the whole us vs them mentality. At the end of the day almost all of us want the same things. A roof over our heads. Food on the table. A decent standard of living. Maybe some of us have a different plan to get those results, but our politicians should be working to get us, the people who elected them, those results instead of running 365 day media campaigns where they are afraid to upset voters in a party who have to go back to the polls in 2, 4, or 6 years for an election. The saddest thing is, is that I know in about 1 week as the election night happiness/disappointment wears off almost all of these elected officials will begin to focus on their next election strategies and how they can raise millions of dollars to do it when they should be spending all this time figuring out ways to better help all Americans reach all their goals.

    Even though I lean towards the conservative side part of me is going to believe that if they can they will stand in the way of anything that could pull this country out of its economic problems as its in their best interest to say "I told you so" when it comes to the next set of elections and they try to recapture congress. It is sad, but I think that is what politics have come to.

  17. #37
    [QUOTE=49ersJetsfan;2842764]keep in mind it wasn't so long ago that social conservatism was a Democrat thing and the Libertarian platform of Goldwater and Reagan reigned over the Republican party.[/QUOTE]

    long enough ago....I think it will be a real problem for a while for the Republicans, their hope is that the Dems F up immensely.

    Think of it like this, McCain needed Palin to gain more support from the base..I mean..to me that says a lot about the shaky ground that this party is on, and the lack of unity.

    Palin has displayed that she is not capable of competently holding any high office, yet solely on her social conservatism is she a bright star of the republican party.

  18. #38
    [QUOTE=piney;2842792]long enough ago....I think it will be a real problem for a while for the Republicans, their hope is that the Dems F up immensely.

    Think of it like this, McCain needed Palin to gain more support from the base..I mean..to me that says a lot about the shaky ground that this party is on, and the lack of unity.

    Palin has displayed that she is not capable of competently holding any high office, yet solely on her social conservatism is she a bright star of the republican party.[/QUOTE]

    Is she really a bright star? I dont think you will ever hear anything about her again from the Republican party to be honest. If anything she was a complete embarrassment to McCains ticket. I think she created some energy for the ticket early on because it made some Republicans feel like they could be part of history as well and as soon as she opened her mouth it went all downhill. If people just are not excited about a ticket and are upset with the party leadership, which in this case is George Bush, it becomes pointless to invest the time in trying to get out the vote for a candidate, especially if he is going to lose regardless.

  19. #39
    [QUOTE=Jason423;2842825]Is she really a bright star? I dont think you will ever hear anything about her again from the Republican party to be honest. If anything she was a complete embarrassment to McCains ticket. I think she created some energy for the ticket early on because it made some Republicans feel like they could be part of history as well and as soon as she opened her mouth it went all downhill. If people just are not excited about a ticket and are upset with the party leadership, which in this case is George Bush, it becomes pointless to invest the time in trying to get out the vote for a candidate, especially if he is going to lose regardless.[/QUOTE]

    we will see, I think if not Palin, someone similar will be the next big Republican.

    She energized the base, to me, that makes the base scary

  20. #40
    [QUOTE=VincenzoTestaverde;2842229]When did conservatives not have control of the republican party? 1861?[/QUOTE]
    The 1970s. 2008, it's been done before.

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