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    Why is that your biggest fear?

    [QUOTE=Piper;2843400]Not sure what your particular issue is but if respect for the Constitution interests you, the next four years will really churn you up. Especially if Obama nominates Supreme Court justices(my biggest fear).[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2843396]Try to find anyone who will state they still support GW. The Conservatives have been badmouthing him for years.[/QUOTE]

    Lack of support and hatred are two completely different things, but it is not surprising that you don't see that.

    Moral relativism at it's finest.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2843404]Why is that your biggest fear?[/QUOTE]

    Because in prior speeches he has spoken about using the courts to address 'economic distribution' and other shortcomings in society. Clearly looking to expand the powers of government far beyond those envisioned by the framers.

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    Yea, you got me, you are the moral compass I have been looking for and I for one have never stated I hated anyone let alone my current President.



    [QUOTE=Piper;2843405]Lack of support and hatred are two completely different things, but it is not surprising that you don't see that.

    Moral relativism at it's finest.[/QUOTE]

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    So he is going to make sure he gets every economic issue he believes in to the Supreme Court. Yea, ok.

    [QUOTE=Piper;2843407]Because in prior speeches he has spoken about using the courts to address 'economic distribution' and other shortcomings in society. Clearly looking to expand the powers of government far beyond those envisioned by the framers.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2843408]Yea, you got me, you are the moral compass I have been looking for and I for one have never stated I hated anyone let alone my current President.[/QUOTE]

    I never said you did, but apparently you saw yourself in the description.

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    Why would I think that you weren't talking about me in your response to me?


    [QUOTE=Piper;2843405]Lack of support and hatred are two completely different things, [B]but it is not surprising that you don't see that[/B].

    Moral relativism at it's finest.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2843414]Why would I think that you weren't talking about me in your response to me?[/QUOTE]

    Never said you hated him but that you didn't see the difference.

    Obviously I was wrong.

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    How do you know who hates GW? Do you poll people on a regular basis? I think your assumptions are there to make you feel better about Obama winning.

    Obama benefited by running for office after one of the worst Presidents in our history, is that his fault?

    [QUOTE=Piper;2843419]Never said you hated him but that you didn't see the difference.

    Obviously I was wrong.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=Piper;2843407]Because in prior speeches he has spoken about using the courts to address 'economic distribution' and other shortcomings in society. Clearly looking to expand the powers of government far beyond those envisioned by the framers.[/QUOTE]

    I'm actually more concerned that he has described the Constitution as a "flawed document", and stated that he believes the problem with recent Supreme Court appointees is their lack of ampathy for minorities, the poor, the disadvantaged, etc . . . This is pretty scary in that Justice is supposed to be blind. Heck, that's why she wears a blindfold. Honeslty, I was never really sure what he meant by this. I don't believe he actually means that if you are a poor disadvantaged minority a judge should consider this as a favorable part of whatever argument you are advancing. But, I'm not sure what else it could mean.

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    Obama taught Constitutional law and is entitled to his opinion, as are you.

    Obama was not elected King.


    [QUOTE=SONNY WERBLIN;2843426]I'm actually more concerned that he has described the Constitution as a "flawed document", and stated that he believes the problem with recent Supreme Court appointees is their lack of ampathy for minorities, the poor, the disadvantaged, etc . . . This is pretty scary in that Justice is supposed to be blind. Heck, that's why she wears a blindfold. Honeslty, I was never really sure what he meant by this. I don't believe he actually means that if you are a poor disadvantaged minority a judge should consider this as a favorable part of whatever argument you are advancing. But, I'm not sure what else it could mean.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2843425]How do you know who hates GW? Do you poll people on a regular basis? I think your assumptions are there to make you feel better about Obama winning.

    Obama benefited by running for office after one of the worst Presidents in our history, is that his fault?[/QUOTE]

    I don't know the names of who hates Bush but if you can actually post that you have seen it in poublic discourse and even in movies than you are being disingenuous at the very lest. I don't agree with your closing point, however it has little to do with the pure anger and hatred that was spewed toward Bush these last several years.

    You don't have to go outside this board to see it. It went far beyond philosophy or political beliefs.

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    Are you trying to make GW look like a victim?

    [QUOTE=Piper;2843461]I don't know the names of who hates Bush but if you can actually post that you have seen it in poublic discourse and even in movies than you are being disingenuous at the very lest. I don't agree with your closing point, however it has little to do with the pure anger and hatred that was spewed toward Bush these last several years.

    You don't have to go outside this board to see it. It went far beyond philosophy or political beliefs.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2843430]Obama taught Constitutional law and is entitled to his opinion, as are you.

    Obama was not elected King.[/QUOTE]

    Correct in both regards. Just stating my concerns, obviously.

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    No problem. I think everyone is nervous right now. If Obama fails it is not going to be a fun time.


    [QUOTE=SONNY WERBLIN;2843465]Correct in both regards. Just stating my concerns, obviously.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2843430]Obama taught Constitutional law and is entitled to his opinion, as are you.

    Obama was not elected King.[/QUOTE]

    I bet he, Pelosi and Redi would disagree with you (privately of course).

    And Sonny is right. The fact that he taught the subject and holds such a dim view of the document is horrifying.

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    [url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122584386627599251.html[/url]

    [QUOTE]The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace

    Earlier this year, 12,000 people in San Francisco signed a petition in support of a proposition on a local ballot to rename an Oceanside sewage plant after George W. Bush. The proposition is only one example of the classless disrespect many Americans have shown the president.

    APAccording to recent Gallup polls, the president's average approval rating is below 30% -- down from his 90% approval in the wake of 9/11. Mr. Bush has endured relentless attacks from the left while facing abandonment from the right.

    This is the price Mr. Bush is paying for trying to work with both Democrats and Republicans. During his 2004 victory speech, the president reached out to voters who supported his opponent, John Kerry, and said, "Today, I want to speak to every person who voted for my opponent. To make this nation stronger and better, I will need your support, and I will work to earn it. I will do all I can do to deserve your trust."

    Those bipartisan efforts have been met with crushing resistance from both political parties.

    The president's original Supreme Court choice of Harriet Miers alarmed Republicans, while his final nomination of Samuel Alito angered Democrats. His solutions to reform the immigration system alienated traditional conservatives, while his refusal to retreat in Iraq has enraged liberals who have unrealistic expectations about the challenges we face there.

    It seems that no matter what Mr. Bush does, he is blamed for everything. He remains despised by the left while continuously disappointing the right.

    Yet it should seem obvious that many of our country's current problems either existed long before Mr. Bush ever came to office, or are beyond his control. Perhaps if Americans stopped being so divisive, and congressional leaders came together to work with the president on some of these problems, he would actually have had a fighting chance of solving them.

    Like the president said in his 2004 victory speech, "We have one country, one Constitution and one future that binds us. And when we come together and work together, there is no limit to the greatness of America."

    To be sure, Mr. Bush is not completely alone. His low approval ratings put him in the good company of former Democratic President Harry S. Truman, whose own approval rating sank to 22% shortly before he left office. Despite Mr. Truman's low numbers, a 2005 Wall Street Journal poll found that he was ranked the seventh most popular president in history.

    Just as Americans have gained perspective on how challenging Truman's presidency was in the wake of World War II, our country will recognize the hardship President Bush faced these past eight years -- and how extraordinary it was that he accomplished what he did in the wake of the September 11 attacks.

    The treatment President Bush has received from this country is nothing less than a disgrace. The attacks launched against him have been cruel and slanderous, proving to the world what little character and resolve we have. The president is not to blame for all these problems. He never lost faith in America or her people, and has tried his hardest to continue leading our nation during a very difficult time.

    Our failure to stand by the one person who continued to stand by us has not gone unnoticed by our enemies. It has shown to the world how disloyal we can be when our president needed loyalty -- a shameful display of arrogance and weakness that will haunt this nation long after Mr. Bush has left the White House.

    Mr. Shapiro is an investigative reporter and lawyer who previously interned with John F. Kerry's legal team during the presidential election in 2004.[/QUOTE]

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    Do you remember Gonzalez argument concerning the constitution? That is and was frightening.

    [QUOTE=Piper;2843469]I bet he, Pelosi and Redi would disagree with you (privately of course).

    And Sonny is right. The fact that he taught the subject and holds such a dim view of the document is horrifying.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2843464]Are you trying to make GW look like a victim?[/QUOTE]

    The political process is the victim. But yes, It went far beyond productive philosophical opposition, and it wasn't just Bush. Supreme Court nominees were treated like criminals. It is unprecedented.

    Why do you think Congress continues to be paralized by partisan agendas? It is filled with lifetime political henchmen with no ability to develop fresh ideas nor new approaches to attack problems because they are all beholden to their respective parties first and foremost.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;2843430]Obama taught Constitutional law and is entitled to his opinion, as are you.

    Obama was not elected King.[/QUOTE]

    No, but he was elected in a landslide, and is backed by a Democrat ultra-majority.

    If that doesn't give him the implication of a "Mandate", nothing will.

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