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    [QUOTE=thebigragu;2847271]There's no question that if Obama wins, he and his Democratic majority in Congress will steer us towards socialism. He will be the most powerful man in recent history- having close control over citizens with computers and the "Patriot Act"; control over the banking system with the government takeover; and the courts by appointing at least 2 Supreme Court justices. Congress is his rubber stamp. He almost controls our media, now- saving some talk radio programs, and FOX news. The "Fairness Act" will probably do away with them.

    Germany was in a similiar situation at the start of the "Great Depression", about 70 years ago. They were the most advanced nation in the world when they elected Hitler as thier president. The nation that Albert Einstien flourished in, and diesels , jets, and rockets were invented by, were snookered by a political genuis. The Nazi Party started out as socialists. Thier official name was the National Socialist Party. They were for taking from the rich Jews and "speading the wealth" to the common people.

    Hitler even had the world mesmerized. When he 1st went into a neighboring nation to "protect Germans", the way Russia did in Georgia recently, the world's leaders met with him and thought diplomacy had settled the problem. British Prime Minister Chamberlain was overjoyed. Winston Churchill was a lonely watchdog in Parliment, warning to stop Hitler before it was too late. Hitler had become all powerful in Germany, now he wanted the world.

    Germany is were the Reformation started, with Martin Luther.[/QUOTE]

    Obama = Hitler

    He's going to make us all Nazis. :rolleyes:

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    I've been feeling a bit Muslim since Obama's victory. I was just wondering...if a person lives in California, should they face east or west to face Mecca? It's kinda half way there, you know...

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2847346]I've been feeling a bit Muslim since Obama's victory. I was just wondering...if a person lives in California, should they face east or west to face Mecca? It's kinda half way there, you know...[/QUOTE]

    Just stare at the sacred ground.

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    All right I'm going back to the strip.You guys are way to tense in here. I was agreeing with you and sharing some nutty emails I got about Obama. I'll give the guy a chance Because He is Now My President as well.

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    [QUOTE=thebigragu;2847358]All right I'm going back to the strip.You guys are way to tense in here. I was agreeing with you and sharing some nutty emails I got about Obama. I'll give the guy a chance Because He is Now My President as well.[/QUOTE]

    People are just confused. Probably because of the lack of quotes in your posts. Some people might think those are your words...

    Just sayin'

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;2847365]People are just confused. Probably because of the lack of quotes in your posts. Some people might think those are your words...

    Just sayin'[/QUOTE]

    I just copy and paste. I'm old school internetz

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    [QUOTE=thebigragu;2847358]All right I'm going back to the strip.You guys are way to tense in here. I was agreeing with you and sharing some nutty emails I got about Obama. I'll give the guy a chance Because He is Now My President as well.[/QUOTE]

    Ahhh. In that case, I second Plumber: Put some quotes in there.

    We have people posting crazier stuff than that on a regular basis, so the fact that its nuts is not a tip off.

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    gentlemen can we get back on topic...what was the topic again?

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    [QUOTE=2foolish197;2847379]gentlemen can we get back on topic...what was the topic again?[/QUOTE]

    We were talking about why civil security is Orwellian and Homeland Security is not.:D

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    From "Change.Gov", the Obama Administration Agenda for National Defense. Civil Related Items Highlighted in Red.

    [QUOTE][B][U]A 21st Century Military for America[/U][/B]
    “Our country's greatest military asset is the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States. When we do send our men and women into harm's way, we must also clearly define the mission, prescribe concrete political and military objectives, seek out advice of our military commanders, evaluate the intelligence, plan accordingly, and ensure that our troops have the resources, support, and equipment they need to protect themselves and fulfill their mission.”

    — Barack Obama, Chicago Foreign Affairs Council, April 23, 2007

    [B][U]The Problem[/U][/B]
    A 20th Century Structure for 21st Century Problems: We have inherited a national security structure that was developed and organized in the late 1940s to win the Cold War. It remains a rigid bureaucracy of government agencies, relying upon a restrictive and disconnected set of legal authorities.

    [B][U]New Leadership and Vision is Needed:[/U][/B] America simply cannot afford more of the old approach to our national defense. Instead, it needs a Commander-in-Chief with the right combination of judgment, vision, and leadership for the 21st century.

    [B][U]A Military Under Strain:[/U][/B] Currently, our soldiers, seamen, airmen and Marines are deployed around the globe, working valiantly to defend our nation. Yet, these heroes are under-resourced and asked to do too much by a policy that has too often taken their sacrifice for granted. Due to their incredible courage and ingenuity, they persevere, but at incredible cost to themselves and their families.

    [B][U]Recruitment and Retention Problems:[/U][/B] A country of 300 million strong should not struggle to find enough qualified citizens to serve. Recruiting and retention problems have been swept under the rug by an administration that does not understand the value of service to our nation.

    [B][U]A System Not Serving our Troops as Well as They Serve Us:[/U][/B] As the shameful events at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the recent reports on growing numbers of homeless and unemployed veterans show, we simply are not taking proper care of our wounded warriors and veterans.

    [B][U]Barack Obama and Joe Biden's Plan[/U][/B]

    [B][U]Invest in a 21st Century Military
    Rebuild the Military for 21st Century Tasks:[/U][/B] As we rebuild our armed forces, we must not simply recreate the military of the Cold War era. Obama and Biden believe that we must build up our special operations forces, civil affairs, information operations, and other units and capabilities that remain in chronic short supply; invest in foreign language training, cultural awareness, and human intelligence and other needed counterinsurgency and stabilization skill sets; and create a more robust capacity to train, equip, and advise foreign security forces, so that local allies are better prepared to confront mutual threats.

    [B][U]Expand to Meet Military Needs on the Ground:[/U][/B] Barack Obama and Joe Biden support plans to increase the size of the Army by 65,000 soldiers and the Marines by 27,000 troops. Increasing our end strength will help units retrain and re-equip properly between deployments and decrease the strain on military families.

    [B][U]Leadership from the Top:[/U][/B] Barack Obama and Joe Biden will restore the ethic of public service to the agenda of today's youth, whether it be serving their local communities in such roles as teachers or first responders, or serving in the military to keep our nation free and safe.

    [B][U]Lighten the Burdens on Our Brave Troops and Their Families: [/U][/B]An Obama-Biden administration will create a Military Families Advisory Board to provide a conduit for military families' concerns to be brought to the attention of senior policymakers and the public. Obama and Biden will end the Bush administration's stop-loss policy and establish predictability in deployments so that active duty and reserves know what they can and must expect.

    [B][U]Build Defense Capabilities for the 21st Century
    Fully Equip Our Troops for the Missions They Face:[/U][/B] Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe we must get vitally needed equipment to our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines before lives are lost. We cannot repeat such failures as the delays in deployment of armored vehicles, body armor and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles that save lives on the frontlines.

    [B][U]Review Weapons Programs:[/U][/B] We must rebalance our capabilities to ensure that our forces have the agility and lethality to succeed in both conventional wars and in stabilization and counter-insurgency operations. Obama and Biden have committed to a review of each major defense program in light of current needs, gaps in the field, and likely future threat scenarios in the post-9/11 world.

    [B][U]Preserve Global Reach in the Air: [/U][/B]We must preserve our unparalleled airpower capabilities to deter and defeat any conventional competitors, swiftly respond to crises across the globe, and support our ground forces. We need greater investment in advanced technology ranging from the revolutionary, like Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and electronic warfare capabilities, to essential systems like the C-17 cargo and KC-X air refueling aircraft, which provide the backbone of our ability to extend global power.
    Maintain Power Projection at Sea: We must recapitalize our naval forces, replacing aging ships and modernizing existing platforms, while adapting them to the 21st century. Obama and Biden will add to the Maritime Pre-Positioning Force Squadrons to support operations ashore and invest in smaller, more capable ships, providing the agility to operate close to shore and the reach to rapidly deploy Marines to global crises.

    [B][U]National Missile Defense:[/U][/B] An Obama-Biden administration will support missile defense, but ensure that it is developed in a way that is pragmatic and cost-effective; and, most importantly, does not divert resources from other national security priorities until we are positive the technology will protect the American public.

    [B][U]Ensure Freedom of Space:[/U][/B] An Obama-Biden administration will restore American leadership on space issues, seeking a worldwide ban on weapons that interfere with military and commercial satellites. He will thoroughly assess possible threats to U.S. space assets and the best options, military and diplomatic, for countering them, establishing contingency plans to ensure that U.S. forces can maintain or duplicate access to information from space assets and accelerating programs to harden U.S. satellites against attack.

    [B][U]Protect the U.S in Cyberspace:[/U][/B] An Obama-Biden administration will work in cooperation with our allies and the private sector to identify and protect against emerging cyber-threats.

    [COLOR="Red"][B][U]Restore the Readiness of the National Guard and Reserves[/U][/B]
    Barack Obama and Joe Biden will provide the National Guard with the equipment it needs for foreign and domestic emergencies and time to restore and refit before deploying. They will make the head of the National Guard a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to ensure concerns of our citizen soldiers reach the level they mandate. They will ensure that reservists and Guard members are treated fairly when it comes to employment, health, and education benefits. [/COLOR]

    [COLOR="red"][B][U]Develop Whole of Government Initiatives to Promote Global Stability
    Integrate Military and Civilian Efforts:[/U][/B] An Obama-Biden administration will build up the capacity of each non-Pentagon agency to deploy personnel and area experts where they are needed, to help move soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines out of civilian roles. [/COLOR]

    [COLOR="Red"][B][U]Create a Civilian Assistance Corps (CAC): [/U][/B]An Obama-Biden administration will set a goal of creating a national CAC of 25,000 personnel. This corps of civilian volunteers with special skill, sets (doctors, lawyers, engineers, city planners, agriculture specialists, police, etc.) would be organized to provide each federal agency with a pool of volunteer experts willing to deploy in times of need at home and abroad. [/COLOR]

    [B][U]Restore Our Alliances
    Engage Our Allies in Meeting Our Common Security Challenges: [/U][/B]America's traditional alliances, such as NATO, must be transformed and strengthened, including on common security concerns like Afghanistan, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Obama and Biden will renew alliances and ensure our allies contribute their fair share to our mutual security.

    [B][U]Organize to Help Our Partners and Allies in Need: [/U][/B]An Obama-Biden administration will expand humanitarian activities that build friends and allies at the regional and local level (such as during the response to the tsunami in South and Southeast Asia), and win hearts and minds in the process.

    [B][U]Reform Contracting
    Create Transparency for Military Contractors:[/U][/B] Barack Obama and Joe Biden will require the Pentagon and State Department to develop a strategy for determining when contracting makes sense, rather than continually handing off governmental jobs to well-connected companies. An Obama-Biden administration will create the transparency and accountability needed for good governance. Finally, it will establish the legal status of contractor personnel, making possible prosecution of any abuses committed by private military contractors.

    [B][U]Restore Honesty, Openness, and Commonsense to Contracting and Procurement:[/U][/B] An Obama-Biden administration will realize savings by reducing the corruption and cost overruns that have become all too routine in defense contracting. This includes launching a program of acquisition reform and management, which would end the common practice of no-bid contracting. Obama and Biden will end the abuse of supplemental budgets by creating a system of oversight for war funds as stringent as in the regular budget. Obama and Biden will restore the government's ability to manage contracts by rebuilding our contract officer corps. They will order the Justice Department to prioritize prosecutions that will punish and deter fraud, waste and abuse. [/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2847466]From "Change.Gov", the Obama Administration Agenda for National Defense. Civil Related Items Highlighted in Red.[/QUOTE]

    The highlighted stuff is all either harmless-sounding (domestic peace corps stuff) or common sense (beefing up the national guard and reserves).

    Nothing remotely like a defense outfit on par with the army.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2847665]The highlighted stuff is all either harmless-sounding (domestic peace corps stuff) or common sense (beefing up the national guard and reserves).

    Nothing remotely like a defense outfit on par with the army.[/QUOTE]

    Yup. Sounds just like a ground version of the Civil Air Patrol that no republicans have had a problem with for the past 50 years.

    Now all of a sudden, it's communist socialistic Stalinism. Go figure.

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    [QUOTE=nuu faaola;2847665]The highlighted stuff is all either harmless-sounding (domestic peace corps stuff) or common sense (beefing up the national guard and reserves).

    Nothing remotely like a defense outfit on par with the army.[/QUOTE]

    Then perhaps you can petition our Media to ask Obamachrist exactly what he meant, since it seems no one has done so yet.

    After all, he said it, yet it's not listed.......so how ARE we to know otherwise?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2848254]...Obamachrist ...[/QUOTE]

    Swing and a miss.


    The description of the "Civilian Assistance Corps" makes me think of a group of specialist who can be called in to help on large scale evacuations and rebuilding efforts. A group of people who think about the logistics of reacting to hurricanes, earthquakes, forrest fires, blizzards, tsunamis etc…

    Sounds wise to me

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