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    [QUOTE=cr726;2848133]Joe the Plumber's plans. I guess if Palin can get elected anyone can.



    [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/uselections2008-johnmccain[/url][/QUOTE]

    For the love of gd, what are they doing to this poor, poor man???

    A month ago he was an anonymous unlicensed plumber making 40 grand a year, now he's got a book coming out, a recording contract and is the self proclaimed spokesman for middle america.

    The horror!

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    Even if he did lie and whore himself out to the media, he originally asked a legitimate question. What's so wrong about that?

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2848164]Even if he did lie and whore himself out to the media, he originally asked a legitimate question. What's so wrong about that?[/QUOTE]

    yeah.. and Obama answered it, he didn't blow the guy off or make him the focal point of the campaign, like McCain did. If anyone is to blame for this, besides Joe, it's McCain.
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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;2848165]He's not a liar, he never said there was never a time in his life that he fell upon hard times, and IMO there was no reason to report it about a private citizen who was running for nothing other than to humiliate the man and send a message to all other potential Joe the Plumbers

    And I'm not even a strong fiscial conservative, BTW, I'm more moderate when it comes to using Government to help the less fortunate, in fact more liberal than conservative in that regard, but IMO outting this man's former status as a welfare recepiant was cruel, vindictive and unnecessary[/QUOTE]

    Sorry, I don't see how anyone could feel sorry for this guy.

    Of course he's a liar, he has no business saying he's going to buy a plumbing company.. when he obviously can't. He some how "believes" an Obama presidency will mean "death to Israel". Oh and I thought he said he was on the fence on who he was voting for? Right..
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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2848164]Even if he did lie and whore himself out to the media, he originally asked a legitimate question. What's so wrong about that?[/QUOTE]

    Nothing, except for the fact that he misrepresented himself when asking it. If he had phrased it as a hypothetical no big deal..

    I remember the first time I saw this video, you posted it in fact, the merits of the conversation were the only things being discussed.

    Then McCain made him central point in the debate 2 days later which made it look staged and then all hell broke loose.

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    I guess he bought the business he was talking about then right?

    Um, no.

    [QUOTE=pauliec;2848164]Even if he did lie and whore himself out to the media, he originally asked a legitimate question. What's so wrong about that?[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;2848172]I'm not surprised you or a few others believe outting the guy as a former welfare recepiant was a good idea

    In fact I'd be surprised if you thought it was cruel and not a something the left should be engaged in[/QUOTE]

    Don't put word in my mouth, I still can't believe your a mod... show me where I stated.. "BELIEVE OUTING THE GUY AS A FORMER WELFARE RECIPIENT WAS A GOOD IDEA" Can you do that for me?

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;2848165]He's not a liar, he never said there was never a time in his life when he fell upon hard times, and IMO there was no reason to report that about a private citizen who was running for nothing other than to humiliate the man and send a message to all other potential Joe the Plumbers

    And I'm not even a strong fiscial conservative, BTW, I'm more moderate when it comes to using Government to help the less fortunate, in fact more liberal than conservative in that regard, but IMO outting this man's former status as a welfare recepiant was cruel, vindictive and unnecessary[/QUOTE]

    But he did misrepresent himself. He said that he was preparing to buy a business that makes over 250k and Obama's tax plan was going to punish him.

    When in fact, he makes 40k, is nowhere near buying that business and even if he did, it only nets 100k..

    In fact, what's happened to him since the debate was probably the only chance he had of ever being victimized by Obama's proposed tax plan...

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;2848172]SPEAK FOR YOURSELF

    I do feel sorry for him
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    You feel sorry for a guy who just hired an agent? :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;2848179]How do you know that?

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    Because he only makes 40k a year... genius

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    Don't see how any of this makes him a "hypocrite". His point was the burden that would be placed on those making more than $250,000. He as far as I know didn't say anything about "welfare". This all takes away from the point that was brought out by his question, that Obama will place an extra burden on those earning more than $250,000 (or as Joe Biden said $150,000).

    To those that think this shows welfare works, great, just everyone should contribute, not just those earning more than $250,000. This information is only being used to embarass the man. Great job, loony left.

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    He asked a simple question no one in the media bothered to ask. Because they were to busy getting their rocks off on everything he said! Like You!

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;2848185]CTM, I had a Job for around 40K before I went into business for myself

    I REALLY DID, and so did millions of other small business owners

    So I don't see the connection .. I don't see the logic .. I don't see how that makes him a liar[/QUOTE]

    Two different things.

    Joe could start his own small business, I would actually encourage him to do that, if he wants to go into business for himself, and maybe he can turn that small business into a big business, that's the American dream, but that's not what Joe "plans on doing" Joe said he is going to buy that big business he works for... which he clearly can not.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;2848164]Even if he did lie and whore himself out to the media, he originally asked a legitimate question. What's so wrong about that?[/QUOTE]

    Nothing... but it was perfectly legitimate after he and John McCain criticized Obama's plan for the media to look into whether or not he would actually benefit from it or if he was being a simple partisan. Its quite obvious now that's all he was.

    And he whored himself out big time (Publicist? Country music deal? Run for Congress? [url]www.joewurzelbacher2010.com?[/url]) and McCain-Palin incontrovertibly made him the centerpiece of their last ditch effort at a quasi-populist campaign. Therefore he is fair game. Sorry.

    Let's look at the scorecard of how ridiculous this all is...

    Says Obama is a socialist because of his tax plan.
    Says he is a plumber who is looking to buy a $250,000 business.
    Says he hates Social Security and the fact that it is "forced on him."

    -Obama's plan would be beneficial to him in his current state and if it is socialist then so was Nixon's, Eisenhower's and Bush I's.
    -Isn't a licensed plumber, isn't named Joe, is making $50 K max.
    -Owes back taxes and now the kicker... was actually the beneficiary of a welfare program that helped his parents when he was growing up.

    How do you not see the hypocrisy and absolute ridiculousness here? That's what's so wrong about that... it was a canard... a red herring... a (insert avian literary device here!). :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=Tyler Durden;2848192]Two different things.

    Joe could start his own small business, I would actually encourage him to do that, if he wants to go into business for himself, and maybe he can turn that small business into a big business, that's the American dream, but that's not what Joe "plans on doing" Joe said he is going to buy that big business he works for... [B]which he clearly can not[/B].[/QUOTE]How do you know? Some people self-finance the sale of their businesses, living off the proceeds as a kind of "pension".

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;2848196]How do you know he can't?

    There's always credit, it doesn't have to be pure capital

    My business happens to be real estate and I never had the capital to purchase any of the properties I purchased .. NOT EVEN CLOSE .. at least not initially .. but I was able to purchase them anyway because of credit[/QUOTE]

    Good thing he'll be able to get more credit and have more money based upon the tax cut he's going to get under President Obama.

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;2848202]bigal, I'm not even arguing that point, I'm not arguing fiscal policy or whether Joe the Plumber is right or wrong, I've already said I'm probably more fiscially liberal than Joe the Plumber, I just find it troubling that a private citizen asked a tough question of a politician, then people in power went sniffing through his private records and proceeded to out him as a former welfare recepiant

    I think that is cruel and scary[/QUOTE]

    Fair enough... but I think that it's completely based on him trying to make these arguments that he is entirely unequipped to make. He has been doing the talk show circuit for quite a while now and is even considering a run for Congress... ergo he is fair game.

    This is not because he asked a question.

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;2848109]Let me ask you a question, QJF, and tell me the truth, okay?

    After seeing what happened to Joe the Plumber, would you be a little more reluctant to put yourself out there in the public arena in terms of challanging a particular candidate for elected office?

    I know I would

    I saw the way they dug into this mans past, and I {like most human beings} have some things I would much rather keep private, I don't want my life to be an open book, I strongly suspect most people feel likewise, so when they see what Joe the Plumber encountered I believe most folks will say, okay, remind me never to make that mistake :eek:

    AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF WHAT THEY DID TO JOE THE PLUMBER

    That is the desired effect .. its a message to every potential Joe the Plumber .. [COLOR="Red"]STFU or you'll wish that you did[/COLOR]

    This is how you create a [COLOR="Red"]"chilling effect"[/COLOR] and make people far more reluctant to speak out of turn in such a direct {at the candidate} and public forum .. now you either ask polite and harmless questions, or don't ask any at all :tsk:[/QUOTE]

    Let me answer you. I think from this incident people learn that if you are going to enter the public arena you better not enter with bs and hypocricy. If you do you will be called out on it. I think that's a very good message for anyone to learn and that is the point of what they did to Joe.

    To speak like the media sits together and decides in a Marxist conspiracy to shut people up is just absurd my friend. He did not get in trouble for asking a harmless question. He got in trouble for putting himself out there after the harmless question and making himself some symbol of how the common man will be hurt by Obama's policies.

    What was the media supposed to do? Just accept his word as gospel and to see if he was being honest with what he was saying.

    That is exactly opposite with what you would see in a Marxist society. The media would be state controlled in would see whatever message the state wanted.

    Is that what you want? A State controlled media?

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    [QUOTE=Queens Jet Fan;2848211]Let me answer you. I think from this incident people learn that if you are going to enter the public arena you better not enter with bs and hypocricy. If you do you will be called out on it. I think that's a very good message for anyone to learn and that is the point of what they did to Joe.

    To speak like the media sits together and decides in a Marxist conspiracy to shut people up is just absurd my friend. He did not get in trouble for asking a harmless question. He got in trouble for putting himself out there after the harmless question and making himself some symbol of how the common man will be hurt by Obama's policies.

    What was the media supposed to do? Just accept his word as gospel and to see if he was being honest with what he was saying.

    That is exactly opposite with what you would see in a Marxist society. The media would be state controlled in would see whatever message the state wanted.

    Is that what you want? A State controlled media?[/QUOTE]

    [B]Man at a McCain rally:[/B] "Joe I think a vote for Obama is a vote for the death to Israel."
    [B]Joe the Plumber:[/B] "I'm going to go ahead and agree with you on that."

    [B]Fox News- Shep Smith:[/B] "Why do you believe that a vote for Obama is a vote for the death of Israel when he has consistently stated his support for Israel and has given no evidence to the contrary?"

    [B]Joe the Plumber:[/B] "Well I'm just going to have to throw that back on your viewers as to why I think that."

    If you don't call this type of behavior out then any freaking loon can go on and say whatever he wants. No accountability needed.

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;2848185]CTM, I had a Job for around 40K before I went into business for myself

    I REALLY DID, and so did millions of other small business owners

    So I don't see the connection .. I don't see the logic .. I don't see how that makes him a liar[/QUOTE]
    Ham, the business only makes 100k a year and he claimed it make over 250k. Not to mention that he phrased the question and spoke of it as if it was imminent, when subsequent interviews made it clear that this was something that wasn't going to happen anytime soon..

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