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    Mike "Moose" Mussina Retiring (Poll: HOFer?)

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8...-20-win-season

    Yanks' Mussina to retire after first 20-win season
    by Ken Rosenthal

    Updated: November 19, 2008, 5:10 PM EST

    Yankees right-hander Mike Mussina is retiring.

    Mussina will make his decision official later this week, major-league sources say.

    The Yankees, who are aggressively pursuing free-agent starting pitchers, were not expecting Mussina to return.

    Mussina, who turns 40 on Dec. 8, is coming off the first 20-win season of his 18-year career. He is selling his home in Bedford, N.Y., according to one source, and planning to spend more time with his family in Montoursville, Pa.

    Mussina held off his announcement until the completion of baseball's award cycle. He recently won his seventh Gold Glove, tied for sixth in the American League Cy Young award voting and even received one eighth-place vote for Most Valuable Player.

    A first-round pick of the Orioles in 1990, he finishes his career with a 270-153 record and 3.68 ERA.

    His victory total falls short of the unofficial Hall of Fame standard of 300 wins, but his candidacy for the Hall will be enhanced by the fact that he pitched in the Steroid Era and spent his entire career in the offensively oriented AL East.

    Only 20 other pitchers in major-league history have finished 100 or more games over .500. Sixteen are in the Hall of Fame, and the other four — Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine — are not yet eligible.

    Only five pitchers in history have as many victories as Mussina (270) with a higher winning percentage (.638) — Lefty Grove, Christy Mathewson, Clemens, Randy Johnson and Grover Cleveland Alexander.

    Mussina's 2,813 career strikeouts rank sixth among active pitchers and 19th all-time.

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    Mike Mussina To Announce Retirement This Week

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    Yankees right-hander Mike Mussina is retiring.

    Mussina will make his decision official later this week, major-league sources say.

    The Yankees, who are aggressively pursuing free-agent starting pitchers, were not expecting Mussina to return.

    Mussina, who turns 40 on Dec. 8, is coming off the first 20-win season of his 18-year career. He is selling his home in Bedford, N.Y., according to one source, and planning to spend more time with his family in Montoursville, Pa.

    Mussina held off his announcement until the completion of baseball's award cycle. He recently won his seventh Gold Glove, tied for sixth in the American League Cy Young award voting and even received one eighth-place vote for Most Valuable Player.

    A first-round pick of the Orioles in 1990, he finishes his career with a 270-153 record and 3.68 ERA.

    His victory total falls short of the unofficial Hall of Fame standard of 300 wins, but his candidacy for the Hall will be enhanced by the fact that he pitched in the Steroid Era and spent his entire career in the offensively oriented AL East.

    Only 20 other pitchers in major-league history have finished 100 or more games over .500. Sixteen are in the Hall of Fame, and the other four Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine are not yet eligible.

    Only five pitchers in history have as many victories as Mussina (270) with a higher winning percentage (.638) Lefty Grove, Christy Mathewson, Clemens, Randy Johnson and Grover Cleveland Alexander.

    Mussina's 2,813 career strikeouts rank sixth among active pitchers and 19th all-time.

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    Moose is clearly a HOFer and it's really not that close. What he did in the AL East all these years has been remarkable and easily HOF worthy. Had he pitched his entire career in the NL, like Glavine for example, this wouldn't even be questioned.

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    Hall of Famer..

    100 games over .500 while pitching in the AL in the "Steroid Era"

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    Nope...fair or not they always want to see those 300 wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    Nope...fair or not they always want to see those 300 wins.
    I think you might want to rethink what you are saying, FF.

    Because in the era of 5 man rotations and the 6th inning relief specialist, coupled with Mussina's retirement, you better really enjoy Randy Johnson's next 5 wins to reach that 300 win milestone.

    Because one could make a very strong case that he will be the last 300
    game winner MLB will ever see.

    Here is the list of the current win totals of the top 150 active MLB pitchers.


    http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...W_active.shtml

    You see any future 300 game winners on that list ??

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    I've never been able to consider Mussina a dominating presence. He's one of those "very good" but just not a HOFer.

    Of the recent retirees and soon-to-be retired of this past generation...

    Randy Johnson, yes. Pedro Martinez, yes. Roger Clemens, yes (but might not because of the steroid scandal). Tom Glavine, yes. Greg Maddux, yes. Curt Schilling, maybe. Orel Hershiser, maybe. David Cone, maybe.

    Personally, I couldn't consider Moose over any of these guys, regardless of stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    Nope...fair or not they always want to see those 300 wins.
    Not anymore my friend. In this day and age, we have seen the last of the 300 winners. There is a very real possibility that RJ will be the last 300 game winner. Maybe not ever, but maybe we'd see one every 25 years or so.

    Ah, I see Phoenixx already beat me to the punch.

    I'll add that sports writers are pretty stupid though, so it could take them a little while to realize that 300 no longer can be the magic number for pitchers, just like 500 HR's is no longer the magic number for hitters (although maybe it can be again).

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    I have two requirements for the HOF: 1) be one of the best of your era over a long period of time and 2) be feared by your opponents.

    Mike Mussina fits neither of these criteria.

    However, the unfortunate nature of the current HOF leads me to believe he is a HOF. I mean Don Sutton is in the HOF just because he has 300 wins. Yet, I never met a person or heard a player who thought he was great (or even good).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 49ersJetsfan View Post
    I've never been able to consider Mussina a dominating presence. He's one of those "very good" but just not a HOFer.

    Of the recent retirees and soon-to-be retired of this past generation...

    Randy Johnson, yes. Pedro Martinez, yes. Roger Clemens, yes (but might not because of the steroid scandal). Tom Glavine, yes. Greg Maddux, yes. Curt Schilling, maybe. Orel Hershiser, maybe. David Cone, maybe.

    Personally, I couldn't consider Moose over any of these guys, regardless of stats.
    Maybe you are thinking of the Moose of the last few years..he had some VERY dominant performance with the O's and early in his Yankee career..remember him striking out 17 in a Playoff game..

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    If possible, I kind of agree with everyone in this thread. The 300 "magic number" idea IS dying, but it isn't dead just yet. Johnson may be the last 300 game winner, but coinciding with that, I think Mussina will be the last victim of that perception.

    I think Moose falls just short a few times, and eventually falls off the ballot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by escamoter2 View Post
    I have two requirements for the HOF: 1) be one of the best of your era over a long period of time and 2) be feared by your opponents.

    Mike Mussina fits neither of these criteria.

    However, the unfortunate nature of the current HOF leads me to believe he is a HOF. I mean Don Sutton is in the HOF just because he has 300 wins. Yet, I never met a person or heard a player who thought he was great (or even good).
    I agree Mussina isn't a HOFer. He just doesn't belong, he was a good pitcher for a long time, an ace for a few years, but not a HOFer

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    moooooose

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    Thanks for the memories Moose

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    Favre to the Yankees?



    Cashman, sign this beast!

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    I'm gonna miss the moose. he and andy were always my favorite yankee pitchers, and i have no idea why.

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    The Moooooose chant will be missed at the New Stadium.

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    solid yankee career.

    but i never became a big fan..

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    Class act one of my all time favorite pitchers. I think he picked the perfect time to retire after his first 20 win season.

    I would vote him into the hall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwichjetfan View Post
    I'm gonna miss the moose. he and andy were always my favorite yankee pitchers, and i have no idea why.
    I have been a yank fan since child birth and I am a traditionalist. I HATE the "guns for hire" approach we take at times. Moose has been here long enough to be a LIFER Yankee. Class act, terrific Yankee.

    Am I alone to say that Clemens, Giambi even AROD do not represent the Yankees well.

    I loved Bernie, Posada, Pettite, Jeter and MO Rivera. Even though they didn't start with the Yanks, O'Neill, Brosius were excellent.

    Long Live Thurman Munson in our memory. The captain.

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