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    God you're funny Sackdouche.

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    I'm glad most of you are entertained by this letter.

    And thank you to those who have PM'd me to say they are inspired by my conviction and zeal. Those are the only comments to me that matter.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance99;2886621]I'm glad most of you are entertained by this letter.

    A[B]nd thank you to those who have PM'd me to say they are inspired by my conviction and zeal[/B]. Those are the only comments to me that matter.[/QUOTE]

    huh?

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    [QUOTE=sackdance99;2886621]I'm glad most of you are entertained by this letter.

    And thank you to those who have PM'd me to say they are inspired by my conviction and zeal. Those are the only comments to me that matter.[/QUOTE]

    Jim Jones inspired a lot of people as well.
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    [QUOTE=sackdance99;2886135]If you saw a 70 MPH Tsunami wave coming at you, and you didn't believe in Tsunami's, do you think it would just stop and become nothing because you didn't believe in them.[/QUOTE]

    Tsunamis exist though.

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    I disagree with just about every point you make sackdance but you know how to write a convincing essay.

    Philip II was convinced that Spain had God on his side and that his Catholic Empire would crush England by sending an Armada, yet after his defeat he said "I sent the Armada against men, not God's winds and waves". The English and French believed that it was their Christian duty to colonize, civilize, and convert the animists, Hindus, Muslims, and pagans of Africa and Asia yet only a century later their empires vanished and their former colonies remained as poor and unstable as when they found them. Today the Pope, the Orthodox Patriarch, extremist Muslims, and hundreds of televangelists claim to know the word of God and every one of them presents a message that conflicts with the other. What is my point? It is foolish to proclaim God's will or to speak of him or his intentions in absolutes. I have my own beliefs on religion as do you, but damning people to hell because they deviate from specific passages of a book written at a time when Christians were persecuted by the Romans and others they did not wish to offend is naive. I believe in a Hell and a Heaven and I believe in God and value the teachings of Christ as do many, but we aren't going around proclaiming ourselves the messenger of God or his judges of souls on Earth.

    If you believe that these people are going to Hell then believe it, but you aren't going to "save souls" by telling people that they will roast for eternity if they don't agree with everything you say.

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    sackdance99: effectively condemning people to hell since 1993

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    all due respect, this nation has much bigger problems than freaking Bill Maher.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;2891816]sackdance99: effectively condemning people to hell since 1993[/QUOTE]

    when does the t-shirt come out?

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    [QUOTE=BrooklynBound;2892002]when does the t-shirt come out?[/QUOTE]

    funny joke - too bad it's a sin to joke at sackdance99

    that's it! no heaven for you!

    see ya in hell BB!

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    The only way to prove that something does not exist is to have the knowledge of everything that does exist, and since no one possesses that knowledge it is fatally impossible to prove the non-existence of it.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;2891816]sackdance99: effectively condemning people to hell since 1993[/QUOTE]

    :broccoli:

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    [QUOTE=sackdance99;2886135]If you saw a 70 MPH Tsunami wave coming at you, and you didn't believe in Tsunami's, do you think it would just stop and become nothing because you didn't believe in them.[/QUOTE]

    Who cares because nobody made me believe in the Tsunami until I saw it with my own eyes...thus (probably) being too late anyway.

    My only hope, it seems, is purgatory... or a much nicer god than your own.

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    [QUOTE=HessStation;2893144]Who cares because nobody made me believe in the Tsunami until I saw it with my own eyes...thus (probably) being too late anyway.

    My only hope, it seems, is purgatory... or a much nicer god than your own.[/QUOTE]

    no such thing as purgatory......:D

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    damn! This thread has had me laughing hard! You bastards are funny!

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    [QUOTE=ucrenegade;2894220]no such thing as purgatory......:D[/QUOTE]

    Then I'm doomed...unless you're laughing [I]at[/I] me because I spelling it wrong or something. :cool:

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    How could a forgiving, loving God send someone to hell? Why would God bless us with Free Will and then send us to hell for using it?
    My God is a God of love and kindness. My God does not use words like "wrath" and "fury" I am a child of the universe, no less than the hummingbird's wings or the water that cut through the canyon I am living in.
    I think Bill Maher will be just fine. Watch his show. Everyone in the audience is laughing and having a good time. THAT , my friend is God's work.

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    Oh sh!t, Sackdance99 is going to have to set you straight now too!

    [QUOTE=jayjay;2895929]How could a forgiving, loving God send someone to hell? Why would God bless us with Free Will and then send us to hell for using it?
    My God is a God of love and kindness. My God does not use words like "wrath" and "fury" I am a child of the universe, no less than the hummingbird's wings or the water that cut through the canyon I am living in.
    I think Bill Maher will be just fine. Watch his show. Everyone in the audience is laughing and having a good time. THAT , my friend is God's work.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=jayjay;2895929]How could a forgiving, loving God send someone to hell? Why would God bless us with Free Will and then send us to hell for using it?
    My God is a God of love and kindness. My God does not use words like "wrath" and "fury" I am a child of the universe, no less than the hummingbird's wings or the water that cut through the canyon I am living in.
    I think Bill Maher will be just fine. Watch his show. Everyone in the audience is laughing and having a good time. THAT , my friend is God's work.[/QUOTE]

    It sucks you can't always be right. Read the bible and all those questions you asked have anwsers...........unless that was sarcasm.......:yes:

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    [QUOTE=jayjay;2895929]How could a forgiving, loving God send someone to hell? Why would God bless us with Free Will and then send us to hell for using it?
    My God is a God of love and kindness. My God does not use words like "wrath" and "fury" I am a child of the universe, no less than the hummingbird's wings or the water that cut through the canyon I am living in.
    I think Bill Maher will be just fine. Watch his show. Everyone in the audience is laughing and having a good time. THAT , my friend is God's work.[/QUOTE]


    Jay, right out of the gate it needs to be mentioned that you stated "My God"

    That's the whole problem. You are creating your own personal god, one that makes you feel comfortable and one that can justify the way you think. That is called idolatry. The problem is, your god doesn't exist except in your own mind. There is no biblical history, documentation, or prophecy of the god you mentioned. The god you refer to is not the God of the Bible. The main problem with such an approach is that it is overly simplistic and based on emotionalism, not scripture. So, let's look at what the Word of God says.

    First of all, when God made Adam, He made him good. Adam had the freedom to choose to obey or disobey God. Adam is the one who rebelled. God did not make him rebel and God is not responsible for Adam's rebellion. It would be like a parent having a child knowing that the child would eventually disobey the parent. Does this means that the parent is responsible for the child's rebellion when it occurs because the parent knew it would happen? Of course not. Furthermore, if the parent has more children, does he/she not know that some children may very well turn out good and others bad? Should the parents then not have children because some of them might turn out bad? The skeptic, if he is consistent, would urge parents not to have any children at all lest some of them turn out bad.

    But the skeptic might say, "But God knows for a fact who will be bad and good. Why allow the people going to hell to be born in the first place?" But, if this is the case and if God arranged it that no "bad" people were born, then we would all go to hell. You see, Jesus is the only way to be forgiven of our sins. His sacrifice on the cross was necessary in order to make it possible for us to be saved because everyone, "good" and "bad" has sinned. If there were no "bad" people born, then there wouldn't be any "bad" people around who would have sent Jesus to the cross. If that never happened, then we wouldn't be saved from our sins because Jesus would never have been unjustly condemned and His sacrifice would never have happened.

    Second, if someone says that it is wrong for God to allow someone to be born who will go to hell, then would he rather have God remove our freedom to rebel against Him so that no one can be blamed for sin? If the critic says he only want those people born who go to heaven, then how are they truly free and how would that fulfill the ultimate plan of God to sacrifice His Son for the redemption of mankind?

    Third, God could have reasons for sending people to hell that we cannot understand.

    Fourth, God is just and always does what is right. Therefore, sending people to hell is the right thing to do, especially when we understand that God is eternally holy and those who sin against God incur an infinite offense because the infinite God is the one who is offended.

    Finally, the Bible simply tells us that people will go to hell. They go there because they are not covered by the sacrifice of Christ. Whether or not they are created or not does not effect the fact that sinners must be punished; otherwise, the holiness and righteousness of God mean nothing.

    How do you know what you feel is right? Haven't your feelings ever turned out to be wrong? Are you are saying that what you feel determines truth? If so, then you are putting yourself in the place of God, and looking to yourself for what you "feel" is right.

    If religion is whatever you feel is right, then that could lead to chaos. What if some people had a religion where they felt stealing was acceptable? And what about lying and cheating? Would you trust someone who believed in a religion that felt it was all right to steal, lie, and cheat?

    Hitler felt killing Jews was right. He was wrong. The Bible says that the heart is deceitful and untrustworthy (Jer. 17:9). If you could come to know truth by what you felt, then the Bible, which is the revelation of God, didn't need to be written. But it has been written, and it has revealed that only God is the Source of truth, not your feelings.

    I've never known truth to contradict itself. What if someone felt that something was right, and another person felt it was wrong? Would they both be right? If your statement is true, then how could there be a contradiction like that, if feelings determined truth?

    If all religions are different paths to the same place, then why do the paths contradict each other? Does truth contradict itself? Let's review the teachings of just three religions:

    Buddhism is pantheistic and says there is no personal God and everyone can reach "godlikeness" on his own. Islam says that Jesus was just a prophet, and not the only way to God. Christianity says that there is a personal God, and that the only way to Him is through Jesus (John 14:6). If these three religions are, as you say, different paths to the same place, then why do they contradict each other? Does truth contradict itself?

    Jay, eternity is a long time to be wrong buddy. You get [U]one shot[/U] at this and that's it. I think you should do some more research on the place you will be spending billions and billions of years at when your big day comes. This life is passing and very, very temporary.

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