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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    So I guess all the stuff he said in the primaries about change was just more BS for the big donors on the left.
    ?

    Do you want to add some policies that were widely predicted to be part of Obama's agenda or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fukushimajin View Post
    ?

    Do you want to add some policies that were widely predicted to be part of Obama's agenda or not?
    You mean like the 40% cap gains taxes the immediate end to the Bush tax cuts, troops out of Iraq by June, national health care, redistribution of wealth, that stuff?

    I'm happy that after a tough campaign against Hillary he is surrounding himself with the Clinton White House. It's back to the future, change you can count on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    You mean like the 40% cap gains taxes the immediate end to the Bush tax cuts, troops out of Iraq by June, national health care, redistribution of wealth, that stuff?

    I'm happy that after a tough campaign against Hillary he is surrounding himself with the Clinton White House. It's back to the future, change you can count on.
    He promised change, it will certainly be different that the current political situation, he never promised that said change won't revert back to the Clinton era....

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    Obama will end Christianity and the dem Congress will amend the constitution to allow Islam to be the new state religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    You mean like the 40% cap gains taxes the immediate end to the Bush tax cuts, troops out of Iraq by June, national health care, redistribution of wealth, that stuff?

    I'm happy that after a tough campaign against Hillary he is surrounding himself with the Clinton White House. It's back to the future, change you can count on.
    As he said "the change will come from me" -- we'll have to wait and see.

    I'll keep the 40% capital gains taxes and repeal of the tax cuts though. This isn't about his promises (start that thread if you want) but about what his opponents said he would do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fukushimajin View Post
    This isn't about his promises......
    Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fukushimajin View Post
    As he said "the change will come from me" -- we'll have to wait and see.

    I'll keep the 40% capital gains taxes and repeal of the tax cuts though. This isn't about his promises (start that thread if you want) but about what his opponents said he would do.
    Mostly what we have is a Clintonian economic team and a cabinet-level war cabinet that is more bipartisan and qualified than what the last two administrations brought to the fore.

    Is that change? Ultimately, I'd say that depends on the effectiveness of the administration at enacting Obama's agenda.

    If he signs significant health-insurance and energy independence bills, gets us out of Iraq, and helps the economy right itself, I think that would be change. If his legislative agenda stalls and he can't right the economic ship, that would not be.

    It's easy to look at this hire or that one and say "so and so isn't change," but the peopling of an administration is not the policy of it, necessarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuu faaola View Post
    Mostly what we have is a Clintonian economic team and a cabinet-level war cabinet that is more bipartisan and qualified than what the last two administrations brought to the fore.

    Is that change? Ultimately, I'd say that depends on the effectiveness of the administration at enacting Obama's agenda.

    If he signs significant health-insurance and energy independence bills, gets us out of Iraq, and helps the economy right itself, I think that would be change. If his legislative agenda stalls and he can't right the economic ship, that would not be.

    It's easy to look at this hire or that one and say "so and so isn't change," but the peopling of an administration is not the policy of it, necessarily.
    Thats a VERY convenient definition of Change Nuu.

    Very convenient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilma View Post
    lolz at canceling christmas....
    Only Bergermeister Meisterberger has that power.

    Everyone knows that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fukushimajin View Post
    As he said "the change will come from me" -- we'll have to wait and see.

    I'll keep the 40% capital gains taxes and repeal of the tax cuts though. This isn't about his promises (start that thread if you want) but about what his opponents said he would do.
    Where do you think his opponents got their ideas about what he was going to do? Maybe it was the stuff that came out of his mouth? Maybe they made the stuff up? In politics I give him the benifit of the doubt, it's about 50% of lies that came out of his mouth and 50% of lies that came out of his opponents mouths. In politics that equals 100% lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Thats a VERY convenient definition of Change Nuu.

    Very convenient.
    I'm a liberal, fish.

    The changes I voted for were expanded health insurance, a sane energy policy, responsible withdrawal from Iraq, and more competent management of our government across the board. I also voted for a more respectful and inclusive --which I suspect will be more productive-- approach to politics. That's what Obama said he would bring.

    Nothing is certain, as he obviously hasn't even been sworn in yet, but I like the appointments thus far from that perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuu faaola View Post
    I'm a liberal, fish.

    The changes I voted for were expanded health insurance, a sane energy policy, responsible withdrawal from Iraq, and more competent management of our government across the board. I also voted for a more respectful and inclusive --which I suspect will be more productive-- approach to politics. That's what Obama said he would bring.

    Nothing is certain, as he obviously hasn't even been sworn in yet, but I like the appointments thus far from that perspective.
    A fair answer my friend.

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    I find it to be painfully ironic that the candidate who promised to increase taxes on those evil corporations who never pay their fair share will oversee a government bailout of evil corporate america on a scale so grand it is beyond what anyone could have ever imagined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    By this logic, every single president and congressman since the income tax was thought up is a socialist.
    There's a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Where do you think his opponents got their ideas about what he was going to do? Maybe it was the stuff that came out of his mouth? Maybe they made the stuff up? In politics I give him the benifit of the doubt, it's about 50% of lies that came out of his mouth and 50% of lies that came out of his opponents mouths. In politics that equals 100% lies.
    Whatever. See, its the rules that makes a game fun -- even football would be boring if teams could just do whatever they wanted. Me, I'd run out of bounds and into the crowd, change clothes and then appear in the opponent's end zone with the football. In this thread the idea was to come up with statements made by opponents meant to scare us about an Obama Presidency. I'm interested to see how many come true. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fukushimajin View Post
    Whatever. See, its the rules that makes a game fun -- even football would be boring if teams could just do whatever they wanted. Me, I'd run out of bounds and into the crowd, change clothes and then appear in the opponent's end zone with the football. In this thread the idea was to come up with statements made by opponents meant to scare us about an Obama Presidency. I'm interested to see how many come true. Period.
    Why would you start that thread before he took office? Seems that's a good thread for about 4 years out. My guess is you think he already proved his skeptics wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Why would you start that thread before he took office? Seems that's a good thread for about 4 years out. My guess is you think he already proved his skeptics wrong?
    I think its more fun to speculate now -- to create the list now while its all still fresh. It hasn't been a month yet and I'm already forgetting the campaign.

    I am certainly rooting for Obama to prove the skeptics wrong -- but he hasn't yet. I will also admit to having thought of the thread when thinking about my father-in-law who voted McCain mainly because he felt Obama would be bad for Israel -- his tune changed pretty quick when Obama put Rahm Emmanuel in as Chief of Staff.

    I do also plan to maintain this as a minor long-term project in the background throughout the first four years unless it becomes stupid or outmoded for some reason.

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