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    Vilma's open challenge to anyone who can dispute these truths about the Fed

    Hey you guys know that I think the Federal Reserve System is the worst thing to ever happen to this country. So please, if you disagree, address these points logically and intelligently, with no personal attacks.

    [I]It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford[/I]



    What is the Fed? The real answer to this question is that the Federal Reserve is like a big Mafia loan shark. It owns our nation in the same way a loan shark owns his "clients!" There is absolutely no difference between the two.

    No matter what the situation, whenever there is news related to the Federal Reserve a big, loud, coordinated, conspiratorial lie of omission is committed by every single news outlet in our nation. What is this lie? It is keeping up the false impression that the Federal Reserve is part of our government! The Fed is a private, for profit bank, that controls our government and economy. They control the money supply, inflation, depression, recessions, etc. They are not accountable to Congress, the executive branch or anyone in government.

    The revolutionary war was started primarily to get away from a similar situation in England where the Bank of England held the same control over their nation. Revolutionaries realized this and they put an end to it. Unfortunately some traitors in the Senate reversed our true liberation and now we have a private bank controlling our personal financial status.
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    Let me ask you a simple question: what country in its right mind would create a system that would force it to lend itself money and have to repay the money WITH INTEREST? What country would charge itself interest? What nation would put itself out of business by making it bankrupt because of interest? The answer is none! America is not charging itself interest on its debt, the privately owned central bankers are doing this and they are hiding in plain sight! Congress (with the exception of Ron Paul), every US president and every single member of the corporate media are either part of the conspiracy or just plain stupid![/I][/B]

    Two presidents tried to stop this outrage, and they were both assassinated. Lincoln was set to bypass the central banks in order to finance the Civil War. The banks were going to charge him 24-36% interest on the loans. So Lincoln had Congress pass a law authorizing the printing of full legal tender. These treasury notes would be used to finance the war. Lincoln wrote: "... (we) gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they have ever had - their own paper money to pay their own debts..." Now go and research the person who supposedly killed Lincoln and how he relates to bankers.

    After Lincoln was assassinated Congress revoked the Greenback Law and enacted the National Banking Act. The national banks were to be privately owned and the national bank notes they issued were to be interest-bearing. The Act also provided that the Greenbacks should be retired from circulation as soon as they came back to the Treasury in payment of taxes.

    John F. Kennedy was the next brave man to take on the Federal Reserve. On June 4, 1963, President Kennedy signed a Presidential Executive Order 11110. This order virtually stripped the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Government at interest. Kennedy declared the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. This order gave the Treasury Department the authority to issue silver certificates against any silver in the treasury. This executive order still stands today. No president since has had the courage to invoke it for it would mean their demise. The US government is a front for the real controllers; the central bankers.

    Debt keeps the central banks in control of the world. Nations that eliminate their debt end up on the hit list. When you see nations "liberated" by the US or its allies what normally follows is a central bank extending loans to these liberated nations. The World Bank always comes to the rescue. What a joke this is like having a loan shark come to the rescue of someone who needs food money for his kids!

    War is the single biggest money making business for the central bankers. Nations go into tremendous debt to finance war. Interestingly enough, but in no way surprising to those of us who know better, the architects of both Vietnam and the Iraq invasion both went on to become the head of the World Bank; Robert McNamara and Paul Wolfowitz. It is the central banks that push the world towards military conflict.

    Look at your money; it say "Federal Reserve Note!" It is not an American government currency backed by an asset. It is fiat currency backed by nothing. The Federal Reserve lends these notes to the government, with interest! What a scam! How do we permit this? Oh, I know, we permit this because most people don't know about it...thanks to the criminals in the media. For if the people knew, perhaps Henry Ford's words would ring true and we would indeed take to the streets to stop this crime!

    The Federal Reserve is a private bank that owns the sole right to dictate monetary policy for our nation. As a matter of fact shortly after George W. Bush was placed in office by very powerful people, not by the electorate, the Federal Reserve announced that they would no longer report how much money was being printed. Imagine that! Well you don't have to imagine that because it happened, and the media did not tell you about it, and our Congress sat quiet.

    This is the biggest scam and conspiracy on our planet and we must make this part of our daily discussion. Ask questions, and DEMAND answers!

    Think about it!

    Some people have commented that the president of the United States appoints the head of the Federal Reserve and that is proof that the Fed is indeed part of the government. Well people, the president does present his selection to Congress for approval...but that selection comes from a list of candidates given to him by the Federal Reserve!!! It's a show, people!

    Kids...this is not a joke. It is also not a secret. It is public record...not a theory. The Fed is a private for profit bank that does not answer to Congress or the President and it is unconstitutional. It is another responsibility given to Congress by our Constitution that has been ignored or illegally assigned elsewhere by Congress; just as the power to declare war has been signed over to George W. Bush. Look it up...take a minute...this is a huge issue and one that should not be dismissed so quickly because you just became aware of it by reading a blog. Go do some homework. I did...

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    I've read all this stuff in the past, some I believe to be true, other stuff too far out, but I'm really interested to see if someone debunks any of it..

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    crickets

    Don't expect to hear much response, bud.

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    [QUOTE=Guido Monzino;2890823]crickets

    Don't expect to hear much response, bud.[/QUOTE]

    Probably because there aren't any good arguments debunking it. The Federal Reserve system is scam.

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    Jefferson-

    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation, and then by deflation, the banks and the corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their father's conquered ... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies ... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the Government, to whom it properly belongs."

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    [QUOTE=CTM;2890818]I've read all this stuff in the past, some I believe to be true, other stuff too far out, but I'm really interested to see if someone debunks any of it..[/QUOTE]

    What, kind sir, do you find to be too far out?

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    I have a feeling that most people in this country have no idea what the Federal Reserve does or doesn't do! The government has become so corrupt I dont think the founding fathers would recognize it!

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    [QUOTE]Congress (with the exception of Ron Paul), every US president and every single member of the corporate media are either part of the conspiracy or just plain stupid!

    Two presidents tried to stop this outrage, and they were both assassinated.[/QUOTE]

    Now where did I put that Tin Foil hat........:zzz:

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2890903]Now where did I put that Tin Foil hat........:zzz:[/QUOTE]

    Hahaha, you gotta address the one point in my post that is indeed a little laughable??

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    [QUOTE=Vilma;2890907]Hahaha, you gotta address the one point in my post that is indeed a little laughable??[/QUOTE]

    When your entire piece is framed as "Vast Banker Conspiracy involving everyone but Ron Paul", forgive me, it's all pretty laughable.

    As said elsewhere, the idea of dumping the Fed? We can talk about that, the pro's and con's......as soon as you and Paul explain what the replacement system will be, how it will work, and why it will be better.

    This piece (and your other) does not address that, nor does Paul usually address that in his pieces regarding all the things he wants to abolish and not replace.

    By the way, you better be careful what you post....I hear the bankers (the ones who killed Lincoln and Kennedy) now monitor the interweb too!:eek:

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2890915]When your entire piece is framed as "Vast Banker Conspiracy involving everyone but Ron Paul", forgive me, it's all pretty laughable.

    As said elsewhere, the idea of dumping the Fed? We can talk about that, the pro's and con's......as soon as you and Paul explain what the replacement system will be, how it will work, and why it will be better.

    This piece (and your other) does not address that, nor does Paul usually address that in his pieces regarding all the things he wants to abolish and not replace.

    By the way, you better be careful what you post....I hear the bankers (the ones who killed Lincoln and Kennedy) now monitor the interweb too!:eek:[/QUOTE]

    Hey the replacement of the Fed is a fundamental question, one that can't be answered until people start thinking about why the Fed is such a terrible thing that is ruining our currency and its economy in the first place. You can't have jump on a few people who identify the problem and cast dispersions about their claims because they haven't thought of a viable solution wrapped in a neat bow. There's no way to come up with a sweeping replacement idea until people begin to realize how dire our economic situation is and how the dollar is gonna be a thing of the past in the immediate future if people don't start to question the Fed and its major role in the current events.

    It would be a serious error in reasoning to dismiss the reality of a flawed system simply because the flaw of the system are only now being exposed without a proper solution being debating. Since Paul and others don't have a profound solution, the flaws in the current system must be dismissed until then?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2890915]When your entire piece is framed as "Vast Banker Conspiracy involving everyone but Ron Paul", forgive me, it's all pretty laughable.

    As said elsewhere, the idea of dumping the Fed? We can talk about that, the pro's and con's......as soon as you and Paul explain what the replacement system will be, how it will work, and why it will be better.

    This piece (and your other) does not address that, nor does Paul usually address that in his pieces regarding all the things he wants to abolish and not replace.

    By the way, you better be careful what you post....I hear the bankers (the ones who killed Lincoln and Kennedy) now monitor the interweb too!:eek:[/QUOTE]

    Let me ask you something: think back to the Kotite era.

    Were you saying "We can't fire him because we don't have a good coach lined up"? during that glorious season?

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    [QUOTE=Vilma;2890924]Hey the replacement of the Fed is a fundamental question, one that can't be answered until people start thinking about why the Fed is such a terrible thing that is ruining our currency and its economy in the first place. You can't have jump on a few people who identify the problem and cast dispersions about their claims because they haven't thought of a viable solution wrapped in a neat bow. There's no way to come up with a sweeping replacement idea until people begin to realize how dire our economic situation is and how the dollar is gonna be a thing of the past in the immediate future if people don't start to question the Fed and its major role in the current events.

    It would be a serious error in reasoning to dismiss the reality of a flawed system simply because the flaw of the system are only now being exposed without a proper solution being debating. Since [B][U]Paul[/U][/B] and others [B][U]don't have[/U][/B] a profound [B][U]solution[/U][/B], the flaws in the current system must be dismissed until then?[/QUOTE]


    Sorry, I simply disagree with your logic.

    For example:

    [QUOTE]The Court and Justice System is corrupt and broken. So lets scrap it.

    What? What will I replace it with? Bah! Don't bother me with such details! What? You expect a solution in a neat little bow? I just know what we have is broken, and I'm going to abolish it! It's bad, I say it is, because of the conspiracy....you know, the one I cannot prove, but will claim is utter fact as stridently as my voice and e-peen allow!!

    And anyway, we can't talk about teh replacement till the people see how bad the current system is, and abolish it![/QUOTE]

    That, in a nutshell, is the Vilma/Ron Paul argument here. If you agree, great. I just don't agree.

    Give me solutions, not whining and empty unrealistic policy abolishment ideas.
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    [QUOTE=Guido Monzino;2890927]Let me ask you something: think back to the Kotite era.

    Were you saying "We can't fire him because we don't have a good coach lined up"? during that glorious season?[/QUOTE]

    Sorry Guido.

    Football HC's =/= The Federal Reserve and National Economic Policy

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    [QUOTE=Guido Monzino;2890927]Let me ask you something: think back to the Kotite era.

    Were you saying "We can't fire him because we don't have a good coach lined up"? during that glorious season?[/QUOTE]

    True, but if your plane has an engine out you don't jump until you have a parachute or until you see a decent place to break your fall.

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    Yes the Federal Reserve is not a government agency. However it was set up by Congress and is subject to the policies established by the government.

    Speaking specifically about the Federal Reserve functionality, if you were to remove it what would put in it's place?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2890934]Sorry, I simply disagree with your logic.

    For example:



    That, in a nutshell, is the Vilma/Ron Paul argument here. If you agree, great. I just don't agree.

    Give me solutions, not whining and empty unrealistic policy abolishment ideas.[/QUOTE]

    Fair enough my man. And I respect your position of disagreement.

    And you're right, the Vilma/Paul camp doesn't have a strong solution to enormous problem of the Fed, but I am legitimately concerned that all my dollars stored in the bank are going to worthless in the foreseeable future, a real possibility, and I guess I wish smarter people than myself who dictate policy have the foresight to implement a new solution to this very serious problem.

    {Longest. Run On. Sentence. EVER}

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    [QUOTE=Jman21;2890949]Yes the Federal Reserve is not a government agency. However it was set up by Congress and is subject to the policies established by the government.

    Speaking specifically about the Federal Reserve functionality, if you were to remove it what would put in it's place?[/QUOTE]

    On the most simplistic level, the government itself should be doing the policies that the Fed currently handles, it spelled right out in the Constitution, this is right of the government, not a private banking group.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;2890936]Sorry Guido.

    Football HC's =/= The Federal Reserve and National Economic Policy[/QUOTE]

    Ok, but try to assume that The Fed and the Economy are as important as the New York Jets are, just for a minute.

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    [QUOTE=Vilma;2890950]Fair enough my man. And I respect your position of disagreement.

    And you're right, the Vilma/Paul camp doesn't have a strong solution to enormous problem of the Fed, but I am legitimately concerned that all my dollars stored in the bank are going to worthless in the foreseeable future, a real possibility, and I guess I wish smarter people than myself who dictate policy have the foresight to implement a new solution to this very serious problem.

    {Longest. Run On. Sentence. EVER}[/QUOTE] See this is better than going on and on about conspiracy theories and such. The gov has set up and does oversee the FRB. The FRB is not a private bank. So what you are asking is for more oversight. I'm ok with that.

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