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    Theory on Mangini.

    Could it be that after going 8-3, Mangini started to gameplan for the playoffs? Hear me out. I feel that Mangini figured that he can rely on the gameplans that he used over the 5 game win streak to carry him INTO the playoffs. At that time, he'd THEN start to employ new techniques to "surprise the other team"

    Example A: Utilizing Clowney as a deep threat once the postseason starts-- a burner that the league hasn't seen, adding a brand new element to the offense.

    Example B: A constant barrage of blitzes (like the patriots game from 2 years ago) to completely confuse the defense.

    Bottom line is, do you think Mangini is keeping this plain vanilla so that he has tricks up his sleeve for the playoffs?

    Obviously at this point it may not matter…they're choking away that chance they had to "cruise into the payoffs."

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    In a word........NO

    And enough with the CLOWNEY crap already.

    The guy caught 3 passes in the preseason against guys that aren't even in the league right now and for some reason he has been the missing piece all season. Gimme a break!

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    IDK but he better have something up his sleeve after that coaching job! That was pathetic. I could not believe what I was seeing but I think the thing that lost it was only throwing to Keller, Cotchery, and Coles like what 10 times! We will not win any games like that. Save that strategy for the games when it is snowing, windy, and like 15 degrees.

    That was the sadder than the Oak and Den loss all put together.

    Ouch!

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    i thought, back in 1997, that the tuna would actually blow a game simply to teach the team a lesson and keep them from feeling complacent. of course tuna had some stature and could get away with this type of stuff.

    if mangini is holding back then he is a fool. every team has enough talent to beat any other (except detroit) so the games come down to personel match ups, play calling, etc. if the jets do have someone who can stretch it out, they had better start using him sooner rather than later. same thing with any defense formations. last season's defense turned it around after the break and so did two season's ago. this defense has been vulnerable to the short pass from day one. sure they have more sacks but not lately. every team knows how to attack this defense.

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    The bottom line is that Mangini has not figured out what to do as team prepare for the Jets offense and gameplan around it. He is being outcoached on every level especially in motivating his team

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    [quote=JamaicanJetFan;2900123]Could it be that after going 8-3, Mangini started to gameplan for the playoffs? Hear me out. I feel that Mangini figured that he can rely on the gameplans that he used over the 5 game win streak to carry him INTO the playoffs. At that time, he'd THEN start to employ new techniques to "surprise the other team"

    Example A: Utilizing Clowney as a deep threat once the postseason starts-- a burner that the league hasn't seen, adding a brand new element to the offense.

    Example B: A constant barrage of blitzes (like the patriots game from 2 years ago) to completely confuse the defense.

    Bottom line is, do you think Mangini is keeping this plain vanilla so that he has tricks up his sleeve for the playoffs?

    Obviously at this point it may not matter…they're choking away that chance they had to "cruise into the payoffs."[/quote]

    No.

    Mangini's game plans are specific to each team. He has made that clear on many occasions. Further, he heavily emphasizes taking one game at a time and not thinking ahead.

    I have some complaints about the way Mangini is coaching the team, but your supposition is not one of them.

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    Heck No! There is no way any Pro team would take 2 humiliating loses on purpose!

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    I'm not saying he's losing on purpose...from from it...

    I am just trying to think of a reason as to why Mangini has not employed certain strategies that would seemingly address some glaring holes (stretching the field to utilize favre's arm + heavy pass rush to make up for weaknesses in the secondary)

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    [QUOTE=JamaicanJetFan;2900123]

    Bottom line is, do you think Mangini is keeping this plain vanilla so that he has tricks up his sleeve for the playoffs?

    [/QUOTE]

    You can't be serious.

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    If he's keeping some of his secret weapons concealed for the playoffs, then he is more of a moron than I already think he is.

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    [QUOTE=rmeyer52;2900144]The bottom line is that Mangini has not figured out what to do as team prepare for the Jets offense and gameplan around it. He is being outcoached on every level especially in motivating his team[/QUOTE]

    [B]DITTO BIG TIME!!!!![/B]

    BB throw off coaches have been exposed as FRAUDS. Look at the teams that hired them.

    Desperate teams making emotional decisions. (Browns, ND, us). they all have a bad embarassing record over the last 10 years.

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    Would we be 13-0 right now if Clowney was playing.

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    Heck No, he wants to win every game like the rest of us. I honestly think he is not making the necessary in game adjustments to win these close games down the stretch. He is still a very young and inexperienced coach who maybe does not know how to take control of a game. Both Denver and San Fran were close at the half and winnable even though they were thrashing our defense. Yet in both games we did not try anything different after halftime and we have two losses to show for it. What you are seeing right now is Mangini two glaring weaknesses, immaturity and inexperience.

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    Worst

    Theory

    Ever

    Why do we want to give this guy the benefit of the doubt so badly? To the point that we're coming up with nonsense like this?

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    His fault is that he played the head in the sand approach to coaching. We are winning so we don't dare address areas of real weakness and try and get better in those areas even though they are as plain as the nose on your face. He was afraid to do anything different because they were winning which is surprising being a Belichick disciple who changes game plans to suit opponents.

    If you do not address problem areas on your team saying 'we are winning, what is the problem' sooner or later teams will figure it out, cut off the parts of your game that are working and own you. A team and it's game plans must be maliable through a season, ever changing, ever adapting.

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    I hate to tell ya...but you have to make into the playoffs before you gameplan for it. Kind of how it works.

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    I just sent a message to Eric Mangini through the Jets "Contact Us" section of the official website. Basically told him that he's losing support and that his scheme needs to change. I signed it "Jets fan base" I encourage other fans to do the same.

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    [QUOTE=JetDevil74;2900407]I just sent a message to Eric Mangini through the Jets "Contact Us" section of the official website. Basically told him that he's losing support and that his scheme needs to change. I signed it "Jets fan base" I encourage other fans to do the same.[/QUOTE]

    Well, we should definitely get results now.

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    Mangini's got NUTHIN'!

    C'mon, holding back players/strategies for the playoffs? Mangini is coaching for his job/to gain credibility among his players and other coaches/trying his a$$ off NOT TO LOSE. The truth is Mangini was just one piece of Belliceck's crew, a run-of-the-mill coach who said "Yes Sir" and "No Sir" to Bill, and all
    he can try and do is emulate his Daddy. No imagination, no ability to inspire, and WAY too slow on his feet to make adjustments in the course of a game.
    Do you think a Belliceck coached team with the talent the Jets have in their front seven would suddenly lose their ability to rush the passer? Stop the run?
    We've got a COACHING problem, and the sooner Mangini objectively looks in the mirror, the better. WAKE UP, penguin, your team is waiting for you....if you are truly the dullard it appears you are, USE SOMEBODY ELSE'S IDEAS to get creative (Callahan, Westhover, Schottenheimer, SOMEBODY!)

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    No to your theory. But it makes you wonder what's up, right?

    My theory, and many others have said it too......its knowing how to make adjustments, knowing what to try so as to fix what's not working, especially in mid-game. Our coaching staff, HC/OC/DC, none of them have extensive experience holding those positions. All of them were 1st yr hires. They are learning it as they go I think. At least I hope they are learning it. I don't see very good results of the 'learning' that should have taken place between the Denver loss and the SF game. They should have learned something about our poor pass defense by now and figured out a way to lessen it. As a matter of fact, now that we have added several players who 'fit the mold' for a 3-4, our defense should be MUCH better, but yet it's only better on the run-side.

    I heard/read that Mangini is putting more guy's in 'coverage' which is why we're only rushing 3 much of the time. Well, OK. So if we're putting more guy's in coverage, and less guy's rushing, then we won't get sacks, but the WR/TE/RB should all be covered then, right? Why is there always a guy open underneath? Why do they pick us apart? What are all these 'coverage guys' doing? It don't look like they are doing much 'covering' now does it?

    I never really liked 'zone' coverage. Give me man-to-man with a good pass rush and I'll bet you get better results. Man-to-man you can cover for a few seconds, and with a good pass rush/pressure and tight coverage, you should see much less completions against us.

    Zone coverage always results in someone finding the hole in coverage, and rushing 3 or 4 allows the QB enough time to find that open guy in the hole. Just because we have more guys covering the zones does not mean there are no holes. Yesterday I saw one play. Typical. We rush 3, and there standing right in the middle of the field is a WR with 3 jets surrounding him, except that they were all at least 4 steps away from him in every direction. QB has time, waits for the WR to plant himself in the middle of that hole, and ZIP. Completion. 1st down. This goes on over and over and over.

    So, we see it right there in front of our eyes. I say 'this guy is killing us'.
    What's with the wide open people?

    What do the coaches see? What do the coaches say? What do the coaches do? Well, I have no clue if they see it or not but I can't imagine they DONT SEE IT. I have no clue if they discuss it or say anything between to themselves. But I sure as **** know what they are doing! THEY ARE DOING NOTHING! Because it happens over and over and over. Bottom line this tells me that they do not know how to make adjustments, they do not know how to fix what's not working, which is what I said in the very beginning.
    Last edited by tedtedthefootballhead; 12-08-2008 at 04:20 PM.

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