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Thread: Jets were never legit Super Bowl Contender

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;2931187]No I didn't. They got hot but unless they could stay hot the whole year (Unlikely) they weren't a real contender. Honestly my hope was best case win the division, win a single playoff game and see where it goes. They are probably going to fall short of that hope but not by much. never in my mind's eye did I see them going 13-3 (i.e. winning out) keeping a first round bye and winning the super bowl.

    And for those who are gonna bring up PIT, IND and NYG as 11 win super bowl winners, those teams had franchise QBs, this team has a guy that used to be a franchise QB.[/QUOTE]

    Why the hell do you keep talking about the SB? What does the effin' SB have top do with it? They're not even gonna win the division most likely and have played flat, scared football for 4 straight weeks. Mangini has blown a golden opportunity. Sure Farve gets plenty of blame. Ya know what, who decides that we should lea dthe league in most plays with an empty backfield? The coaches, signed of on by Mangini. We average 4.6 yards a carry and yet he refuses to pound the run game against bad teams, instead going empty backfield on 3rd and 2, over and over again.

    He's just not a good coach, has not improved, and has now had a talented team regress, not get better doen the stretch.

    Stop bringing up the effin SB, it's a stupid metric! Oh, and Merry X-mas. :D

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    Bit, you have made some great points in this thread but unfortunately, you made an equally bad point. You say the difference between the Jets and pats is negligable, meaning small. The pats have a hof coach, best wr tandem in the league.....you see where this is headed?

    Also, i am afraid that the pats are indeed a superbowl contender this year. In fact, there situation this year is eerily similar to 2001- their star qb bledsoe gets knocked out early in the year, in steps an unknown tom brady. This year....you know the deal. In fact, that year they were 11-5 and if they beat buffalo this sunday.....yeah.

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    [QUOTE=chesapeakejet;2931210]Interesting. Unitas and Elway were the oldest at 37.

    [url]http://football.about.com/cs/superbowl/a/sbquarterbacks.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

    Come on now, Bubby Brister was rated higher behind that Bronco team, that year, then Elway was. I believe any QB, yes even Chad, could have won with that team.:D

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;2931187]No I didn't. They got hot but unless they could stay hot the whole year (Unlikely) they weren't a real contender. Honestly my hope was best case win the division, win a single playoff game and see where it goes. They are probably going to fall short of that hope but not by much. never in my mind's eye did I see them going 13-3 (i.e. winning out) keeping a first round bye and winning the super bowl.

    And for those who are gonna bring up PIT, IND and NYG as 11 win super bowl winners, those teams had franchise QBs, this team has a guy that used to be a franchise QB.[/QUOTE]

    You're either a genius or you are lying.

    All I know is I hope you shorted the Jets at Thanksgiving. You would have enough money to bid on a swank PSL.

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    We were 10 & 6 two years ago. We needed to fix the OL, get a real Nose Tackle, a stud CB, a good NFL running back and a top 10 NFL QB. Got them all had the division locked up in position for a number 2 seed and collapsed down the stretch much like the Mets.

    We have the charachter guys, the Nose Tackle, the OL the running back the QB. We don't do anything well as a team week in and week out. We collapsed, we turned a near all pro talent at free safety into a terrible player down the stretch who doesn't have a clue what his responsability is.

    Mangini has proved to be a Herm Edwards in game manager with none of the fun. Fire his ass.

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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;2931377] We needed to fix the OL, get a real Nose Tackle, a stud CB, a good NFL running back [B][U]and a top 10 NFL QB[/U][/B]. [/QUOTE]

    Favre is not a top 10 NFL QB.

    His performance this year verifies that.

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    Bit... be honest, is this some kind of Italiano cosa nostra 'keep it in the family' thing? :D

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    [QUOTE=PatsFanTX;2931386]Favre is not a top 10 NFL QB.

    His performance this year verifies that.[/QUOTE]

    Doesn't matter our management evaluated and paid him as if he was and brought him in because they either believed we were a legit SB team, didn't have a real plan to build a legit SB contender or thought they could sell jerseys and pump up the PSL's. When you gamble and lose you lose, see you later.

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    [QUOTE=altoon;2931153]Expectations change when you start 8-3. You cant say they dont.[/QUOTE]

    Your expectations as a fan change, the expectations for the season and the players have no right to. If you acknowledge that 'expecations have changed' at 8-3, then you are also implying that Mangini did a strong job through 11 weeks to set himself up for this collapse. If we had exceptional talent going in, then the initial expectation would have been 11-12 wins, and 8-3 would be merely 'on track'. A real world example of this kind of reasoning would be reporting the value of the stock market has fallen 40% in the past year, eliding the fact that it fell from its all time high.

    Would I argue that Mangini has done a good job in the last 4 weeks? obviously not, the team has been terrible. Even if we assume that the blame for the past month is only on Mangini (a little absurd given the poor play of several players (which also might, gee I dont know, reflect poorly on Tannenbaum) and the terrible work of his coordinators), then all we are saying is that 1/12th of his tenure as the Jet HC has been a huge disaster. If you think that there is any correlation at all between this 4 game block of Jet doggy poop and anything in the future, then you havent been watching the NFL for long. Eric Mangini, with a win on Sunday, will have taken over a 4-12 team and made it .500 over 3 years. In that span he will have had flashes of brilliance and stupidity, making him identical to every single one of us. It remains to be seen if, with time and reflection, Mangini works on his faults (conservatism, poor west coast travel planning), but the raw material of a successful coach is definitely there, and has manifested itself at times. Basically, only Mangini's early successes have fashioned the last month as a huge disappointment.

    PS: This is all subject to change if they get blown out on Sunday. If the players quit then his interpersonal abilities have to be called into questioned, and then I can justify firing him.

    also PS: Dont act like Mangini's deadpan act on the sideline has any correlation to how he feels or his enthusiasm unless your a trained specialist in body language and psychometrics. People deal with stress differenty, and this man would not have risen to his position, nor would he let himself work 17 hour days if he didnt care about his job.

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