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    Seattle & Portland refuse to salt frozen roads...so people die

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...leanup23m.html

    But Puget sound benefits.....all hail the Green Party

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker134 View Post
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...leanup23m.html

    But Puget sound benefits.....all hail the Green Party
    Ummm...they don't use salt where I live and we get around just fine. It's called "learning to drive in the winter"...something people living in large cities can't seem to handle. They seem to think that you can drive the same way in the snow as you would in July...jackrabbit starts at every light, weaving in and out of lanes to save yourself 15 seconds on a commute, putting idiotic low profile tires on an SUV because it looks cool. Hell, there are 10% as many 4wd vehicles here in WNY than I saw down in Westchester. I see 80 year old people driving in a lake effect blizzard in Chevy Impalas.

    I was next to this dumbass lady once who was spinning all around in her Jeep a few winters ago down in Dutchess county. The idiot didn't realize that she had to hit the button on her dash to go to 4wd. Dee-dee-dee.

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    That leaves many drivers, including Seattle police, pretty much on their own until nature does to the snow what the sand can't: melt it.
    The city's patrol cars are rear-wheel drive. And even with tire chains, officers are avoiding hills and responding on foot, according to a West Precinct officer.
    You don't find that a bit ridiculous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    Ummm...they don't use salt where I live and we get around just fine. It's called "learning to drive in the winter"...something people living in large cities can't seem to handle. They seem to think that you can drive the same way in the snow as you would in July...jackrabbit starts at every light, weaving in and out of lanes to save yourself 15 seconds on a commute, putting idiotic low profile tires on an SUV because it looks cool. Hell, there are 10% as many 4wd vehicles here in WNY than I saw down in Westchester. I see 80 year old people driving in a lake effect blizzard in Chevy Impalas.

    I was next to this dumbass lady once who was spinning all around in her Jeep a few winters ago down in Dutchess county. The idiot didn't realize that she had to hit the button on her dash to go to 4wd. Dee-dee-dee.

    WRONG (again) Plumber...I took a car from Portland, OR to West Salem, OR yesterday..visiting the wife's fam for CHRISTMAS..& we saw first hand the results of using chemical de-icers that are supposedly enviro-friendly. That's the genesis of this thread..salt works, otherwise innocent people die- & your typically simplistic answer referring to how people drive being the cause of these accidents is wrong....again.

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    Buy snow tires. You'll do just fine with snow on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker134 View Post
    WRONG (again) Plumber...I took a car from Portland, OR to West Salem, OR yesterday..visiting the wife's fam for CHRISTMAS..& we saw first hand the results of using chemical de-icers that are supposedly enviro-friendly. That's the genesis of this thread..salt works, otherwise innocent people die- & your typically simplistic answer referring to how people drive being the cause of these accidents is wrong....again.
    I witness people driving without it first hand too. I spend 5 months out of the year driving in the snow, no salt and do just fine.

    So suck it up. You want your socialist nanny state to make sure you don't slip in the snow?


    That leaves many drivers, including Seattle police, pretty much on their own until nature does to the snow what the sand can't: melt it
    OH GOD NO! The HUMANITY!! They might have to....<gasp>...drive in the snow?? How will they function?? How will they survive??

    BTW...it's Seattle. Nothing remotely intelligent ever happens there. They have grunge, overpriced coffee, rain and Frasier. (and now snow!)
    Last edited by PlumberKhan; 12-24-2008 at 12:04 PM.

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    Living in the snowiest metro area in the country, I will take snow-packed roads over the slushy brown sh!t any day, Snow-packed roads provide pretty good traction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeJet View Post
    Living in the snowiest metro area in the country, I will take snow-packed roads over the slushy brown sh!t any day, Snow-packed roads provide pretty good traction.
    You're probably one of those elitists that buy "snow tires", huh?

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    Whatever they gave me on my itty-bitty Elantra. I doubt Hyundai sprung for anything significant on my now 4 year old treads.

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    Why are you relying on the gov't? You should do it yourself or pay someone to do it. That is the American dream.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker134 View Post
    WRONG (again) Plumber...I took a car from Portland, OR to West Salem, OR yesterday..visiting the wife's fam for CHRISTMAS..& we saw first hand the results of using chemical de-icers that are supposedly enviro-friendly. That's the genesis of this thread..salt works, otherwise innocent people die- & your typically simplistic answer referring to how people drive being the cause of these accidents is wrong....again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    Why are you relying on the gov't? You should do it yourself or pay someone to do it. That is the American dream.
    Weak argument. It is "relying on the government" to keep public roads safe?So the police should be privatetoo, right? How about mass transit? Can you imagine 3 different buses rushing to the corner simultaneously to pick up a line of passengers?

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    Capitalism would right all of the wrongs of gov"t.

    Quote Originally Posted by HDCentStOhio View Post
    Weak argument. It is "relying on the government" to keep public roads safe?So the police should be privatetoo, right? How about mass transit? Can you imagine 3 different buses rushing to the corner simultaneously to pick up a line of passengers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDCentStOhio View Post
    Weak argument. It is "relying on the government" to keep public roads safe?So the police should be privatetoo, right? How about mass transit? Can you imagine 3 different buses rushing to the corner simultaneously to pick up a line of passengers?
    FYI we have private & public buses here in NJ so yes I can imagine 3 different buses picking up passengers. It's actually quite orderly and causes no problems at all



    and the roads are ALWAYS safe:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nBpDNYPeTQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    You're probably one of those elitists that buy "snow tires", huh?

    Plumber K- U R easily the most sarcastic dude on JI...pretty funny stuff actually. Merry Christmas to u & the rest of the JI politics crew!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    Ummm...they don't use salt where I live and we get around just fine. It's called "learning to drive in the winter"...something people living in large cities can't seem to handle. They seem to think that you can drive the same way in the snow as you would in July...jackrabbit starts at every light, weaving in and out of lanes to save yourself 15 seconds on a commute, putting idiotic low profile tires on an SUV because it looks cool. Hell, there are 10% as many 4wd vehicles here in WNY than I saw down in Westchester. I see 80 year old people driving in a lake effect blizzard in Chevy Impalas.

    I was next to this dumbass lady once who was spinning all around in her Jeep a few winters ago down in Dutchess county. The idiot didn't realize that she had to hit the button on her dash to go to 4wd. Dee-dee-dee.
    The rain here in Vermont made side roads treacherous today. Driving down an unsalted road that had turned into a sheet of ice, I recalled what a moronic response this was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyonMtJet View Post
    The rain here in Vermont made side roads treacherous today. Driving down an unsalted road that had turned into a sheet of ice, I recalled what a moronic response this was.
    Hey! Guess what?! We got rain here too and some side roads were sheets of ice and we didn't use salt and I STILL didn't go flying off the road. Know how? I drove slower, didn't brake, accelerate or change direction suddenly. It's a trick my Dad taught me when I was first learning to drive. It's called...driving in the winter while living in an area of the country that gets a lot of snow and doesn't have enough money in town funds to purchase $30/ton for calcium chloride to cover the roads with and instead have to learn and adapt.

    This video was shot in Portland Oregon. Salt can't save how utterly bad these drivers are. You could be driving on a road made out of salt, covered with salt while it's raining salt and these people would still figure out how to crash...

    Last edited by PlumberKhan; 12-28-2008 at 07:54 AM.

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    i'd like to see u driving slow like your daddy taught u on that road bubba....you'd be in the same world of sh*t they were. Thankfully i'm back in NYC as of this morning, but last week in Portland, unsalted highways looked like mine fields, & it wasnt the way people drived that caused it. It was pacific northwest tree huggers.

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    http://crosscut.com/2008/12/24/climate/18731/


    can u just stop now please...it's like you constantly try to get on the wrong side of every issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker134 View Post
    i'd like to see u driving slow like your daddy taught u on that road bubba....you'd be in the same world of sh*t they were.

    You say unsalted roads are like minefields. WE DON'T USE ANY, NADA, ZILCH, ZERO SALT ON OUR ROADS. None. No salt whatsoever...how do we do it?

    Maybe....it's MAGIC!

    Plus, your more than welcome to come stay with me and my family if you would like. I can show you, firsthand, unsalted roads and the maniacal, crazy drivers who drive them. And that's pretty much all I would be able to show you because there is much of anything else up here.

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