[QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;2946956]In my eyes, Hamas is under attack from the Israelis and doesn't give a damn about civilians. Hamas would hijack any food amd medicine destined for civilians and keep it for it's fighters.
I haven't lived in Mom's basement since I was 19.
My carriage house is more opulent then your "crib".....[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=whatthe;2946304]for real, if you look at old Nazi speeches and propoganda they throw "leftists and liberals" in there with the "Jews and Gypsies"
we all know deep down Republicans hate Jews as much as they hate anyone else who isn't White Anglo Saxan, Isreal is now being used as the little scapegoat in the matter[/QUOTE]
Saxon, Israel I'm an evangelical Christian, Republican, conservative and we are some of the biggest supporters of Israel ( including the lib N.Y. Jews who have seemed to turned there backs on Israel) So, please get your facts straight before you make comments
[QUOTE=acepepe;2954185]Saxon, Israel I'm an evangelical Christian, Republican, conservative and we are some of the biggest supporters of Israel ( including the lib N.Y. Jews who have seemed to turned there backs on Israel) So, please get your facts straight before you make comments[/QUOTE]
why do you support them, does it have something to do with them converting to Christianity when Jesus returns?
[quote=Green Jets & Ham;2954738]lets just say, for arguments sake, you're right .. you're not, but for arguments sake lets pretend that you are right and the only reason Christians support Israel is for selfish reasons, does that mean Israel would rather not have the support of their staunchest allies that just happen to number in the billions?
Because if you pull the support of the worlds Christian community, Israel will see its support on the world stage shrink to almost nothing in one fell swoop, and then they would wish they had been a little more grateful for the strong support Christians had always offered rather than questioning their motives and viewing them with suspecion[/quote]
Not to mention the fact that, unless you think the odds of Jesus "coming back" are particularly good, who cares? :D
[quote=Green Jets & Ham;2954777]Look I have to be honest, doggin, a lot of these ideas are not my own. As I said earlier, they are my own words, but I can't lie and claim them as my own ideas. This idea, much like the earlier one I posted, comes not from Christian thinkers but from Jewish ones like Dennis Prager and David Horowitz. They talk about the sheer insanity of insulting the only reliable friends Israel has by constantly calling their motives into question and treating them like suspects. In fact I don't remember which, but I'm pretty sure one or the other posed the hypothetical question I posed in my last post, assuming these suspecions are well founded (which they are not, but assuming they are), are you prepared to tell Chirstians you would rather not have their support? And if not, then what's the point of constantly dragging this argument up? Why unnecessarily insult your staunchest allies?[/quote]
Well, part of it [B]is[/B] pathology - deeply ingrained from centuries of having "friendly christian neighbors" show up with pitchforks and torches. But I agree - I don't care if the christian supporting Israel is doing it because he's taken an objective look at the situation and decided its a good idea or because he hopes it'll bring jesus back, any more than I care whether the guy helping me change my tire is doing it because he likes helping people or because he thinks it'll make me convert. I just appreciate the help. Unless motivation translates into inimical action, who the hell cares what the motivation is.
[QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;2944751]This is real talk, but do you want some more real talk?
Despite what you posted above, and its all too true, and despite the fact that todays version of the Nazi appeasers and collaborators (with the new crowd who wishes to exterminate the Jews) eminate from the left, you still have a significant number of American/European Jews who are so wedded to leftist politics that they will overlook all of this while they continue in their obsession with their precieved boogyman on the right
Its really a stunning thing to behold
In fact I remember the first time I heard there were Jews who collaborated with the Nazi's, a small number I would imagine, but there were actually Jews who collaborated with Nazi's at the inception, prior to the holocaust I would imagine, but much like Hamas and that whole bunch of homicidal maniacs, the Nazi's never hid their hatred or desire to slaughter the Jews, so it even staggered my imagination to learn some Jews collaborated with Nazi's even at the outset, when it was still only Jew hating rethoric they spewed
But when I first heard that I didn't believe it, I thought it had to be a mistake, some kind of Jew hating propoganda or what have you, I just found that absolutely impossible to believe and I didn't until it was clear that indeed some Jews did collaborate with Nazi's at the outset and it was undeniable as a matter of historical fact
But only then, when I realized this was historical fact, was I able to accept this actually happened, but even then I still couldn't wrap my mind around that idea, and frankly I still can't, I still can't understand what would drive a man towards that kind of treachory against his own people, not to mention lack of self preservation
But now, when I view this whole dynamic of some American Jews and their strong connection to liberal politics, almost like "liberalism" has become synonymous with "Judaism" in their psychie, therefore they are incapable of recognizing that their real enemies are not hiding in America's pulpits, but are in fact co-mingling amongst them, their so-called political allies, or perhaps soul mates as they see it, but its now a little easier for me to understand how politics can have a strange effect on people who place too much of their identity on ideology .. maybe that can blind you, where you can see the slightest hint of Anti Semitism on the other side, but refuse to see that pink elephant sitting right (or left) in your own living room
In closing, if the American right constantly and consistently allied themselves with Israel's enemies to the degree that the American left has, I have no doubt many American Jews would view this as concrete evidence that the American right are the vicious Anti Semites they always suspected, but that's not the case, in truth the greatest support for Israel (Generally speaking) eminates from the American right, while the American left and their cousins in Europe are for the most part consistently appeasing their enemies (at best), assuming there are no Anti Semitic sentiments, that these people are merely nieve, [COLOR="Red"]in many cases a fair assumption and one I would make[/COLOR], but my point is I don't believe Jews (Generally speaking) would make that same assumption if this same kind of constant/consistent appeasement for Hamas and alike eminated from the American/European right to the degree that it eminates from the left
Am I wrong?
PS. I myself am a staunch supportor of Israel, my track record on this issue is very clear, but I don't imagine that will buy me the same amount of good will those leftist appeasers encounter because I must harbor some ill will towards the Jews by sheer virtue of my conservative politics, so I have little doubt this post will be viewed [COLOR="Red"](by some, not all)[/COLOR] with suspecion, those who never stop looking for Anti Semites at GOP conventions and under every pew, where often times you will find Israel's greatest allies, but that's only because they secretly wish to usher in Armegeddon :rolleyes:
One more thing
I can't take credit for thinking of this all by myself. I mean these are my own words and my own thoughts I'm sharing, but what really brought this strange alliance to my attention were Jewish intellectuals like Dennis Prager. He's written extensively on this topic as have other Jewish intellectuals on the right like David Horowitz (former leftist) and alike. For those Jewish posters who find a hint of truth in this post, I suggest you start by reading Horowitz and Prager if you wish to learn more. Again, in many ways I'm simply echoing ideas I encountered from men such as these.[/QUOTE]
This post is only made better by the photo of Ralph Kramden at the bottom. "The Jews Norton!"
God bless my friend.