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    could ryan play gholston at d.e.?

    I have a hunch.that with his speed and if hecan add ten pounds to his frame.why not.he is 6-4 and still has room to fill out.with the proper coaching,he may surprise.

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    Whenever Ryan uses the 4-3, you can bet that Gholston will come in as a D-lineman...probably Ellis-Jenks-Mosely-Gholston

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    Hell why not, can't be anyworse.

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    He could at least try it. Its not like he could suck any worse

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    if he's having a hard time figuring out how to play LB then why not? i guess he'd need to be bigger though, no?

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    [QUOTE=jets rooter;2987833]I have a hunch.that with his speed and if hecan add ten pounds to his frame.why not.he is 6-4 and still has room to fill out.with the proper coaching,he may surprise.[/QUOTE]

    Gholston weighs 258 lbs and would need to add at least 20 lbs, probably closer to 30.

    Problem is that it would completely negate what we drafted him for.... a pass rush specialist. DE's in the 3-4 fill gaps and stuff the run. He will be used as a DE in 4 DL packages and hopefully developed as the OLB he was drafted to be.
    Last edited by outeast; 01-26-2009 at 10:37 PM.

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    He'd get killed at DE. Someone like Richard Seymour is the proto-type 3-4 DE, he's 6'6", 310lbs.

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    [QUOTE=outeast;2987872]Gholston weighs 258 lbs and would need to add at least 20 lbs, probably closer to 30.

    Problem is that it would completely negate what we drafted him for.... a pass rush specialist. DE's in the 3-4 fill gaps and stuff the run. He will be used as a DE in 4 DL packages and hopefully developed as the OLB he was drafted to be.[/QUOTE]

    I think what the poster meant was use him at DE in 4-3 sets and see how he does and maybe he can start developing at OLB in the mean time....so he wouldn t need to gain so much weight.

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    Gholston won't be playing 3-4 DE but a lot of the fronts Ryan presents aren't true 3-4s and feature four down lineman. I guarantee you see Gholston playing DE next year, and that's one reason I have hope that he'll at least be a contributer next year.

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    I think Rex will treat Vernon like a heat seeking missile. Find the mismatches and let the fur fly!

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    [QUOTE=dassassin;2987841]Whenever Ryan uses the 4-3, you can bet that Gholston will come in as a D-lineman...probably Ellis-Jenks-Mosely-Gholston[/QUOTE]

    He did that last year too.

    My main issue with Gholston is motivation. If he can motivate himself to be the player he can be, Rex Ryan will have a f'ing monster to work with.

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    [QUOTE=Buzzsaw;2987879]He'd get killed at DE. Someone like Richard Seymour is the proto-type 3-4 DE, he's 6'6", 310lbs.[/QUOTE]

    And also VERY over rated:yes:

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    [QUOTE=jets rooter;2987833]I have a hunch.that with his speed and if hecan add ten pounds to his frame.why not.he is 6-4 and still has room to fill out.with the proper coaching,he may surprise.[/QUOTE]

    6'4", 255 lbs players do not play DE in the NFL.

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    [QUOTE=jets rooter;2987833]I have a hunch.that with his speed and if hecan add ten pounds to his frame.why not.he is 6-4 and still has room to fill out.with the proper coaching,he may surprise.[/QUOTE]

    Your not going to get the bang for your buck putting him at DE. Des in the 3-4 do the dirty work so your OLB can put up the big numbers. Jets would be better using him at DT on obvious passing downs. )(ala Justin Tuck- when Giants had strahan and Osi coming off the corner.

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    [QUOTE=PatsFanTX;2988047]6'4", 255 lbs players do not play DE in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

    Terrell Suggs | Defensive Lineman
    TEAM: Baltimore Ravens
    HEIGHT/WEIGHT: 6'3' / 260


    Good Call...guess Suggs isnt a good DE at that size????

    No one is asking him to be a traditional 3-4 DE like Seymour, but he will be playing DE in the same manner that Suggs does. Sometimes hand on the ground, sometimes not.

    Rex has consistenly made his Def all about creating mismatches, and he will play at Gholston anywhere he feels will put our D in a position to succeed.

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    Seeing that Gholston made a name for himself in college as a DE, I can't see why not? It's obvious, that we lacked a true pass-rusher last season. When Mangini brought in Gholston, he was supposed to be that guy. I truly believe that Rex Ryan will be able to get the MOST out of Gholston and place him in the BEST possible position to make plays for us next year.

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    [QUOTE=Raider9175;2988053]Your not going to get the bang for your buck putting him at DE. Des in the 3-4 do the dirty work so your OLB can put up the big numbers. Jets would be better using him at DT on obvious passing downs. )(ala Justin Tuck- when Giants had strahan and Osi coming off the corner.[/QUOTE]

    The most impressive part of Ryan's Defenses (apart from the HOF caliber players) was the creativity and flexibility. If he can get something out of Gholston, he can use him in a variety of ways. Ditto B-Thomas and Pace. Some downs they can play with their hand in the ground, other times they could be rushing over center, and they all could feign the rush and drop back into coverage (hopefully). That's what I thought we were getting last year with the pick up of Pace and Gholston.

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    [QUOTE=crasherino;2988138]The most impressive part of Ryan's Defenses (apart from the HOF caliber players) was the creativity and flexibility. If he can get something out of Gholston, he can use him in a variety of ways. Ditto B-Thomas and Pace. Some downs they can play with their hand in the ground, other times they could be rushing over center, and they all could feign the rush and drop back into coverage (hopefully). That's what I thought we were getting last year with the pick up of Pace and Gholston.[/QUOTE]

    Tha *is* what we did last year. It's what we've done the past 3 years. Gholston played with his hand in the ground last year as well as standing up...thats why 3-4 OLBs are often called DE/OLBs.

    We've been playing the 3-4 for 3 full seasons now and I don't think most people even get the basic skills and measurements....
    Last edited by Chica me Tipo; 01-27-2009 at 10:03 AM.

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    [QUOTE=outeast;2987872]Gholston weighs 258 lbs and would need to add at least 20 lbs, probably closer to 30.

    Problem is that it would completely negate what we drafted him for.... a pass rush specialist. DE's in the 3-4 fill gaps and stuff the run. He will be used as a DE in 4 DL packages and hopefully developed as the OLB he was drafted to be.[/QUOTE]

    John Abraham plays DE and he's 263 lbs. If Gholston is ever going to be a succesful NFL player that's the guy he has to try to emulate.

    Problem is we're stuck playing the 3-4 and as long as that's the case then yes Gholston would have to put on 20-30 lbs instead of staying at his current weight or only putting on around 5 - 10 lbs. Hopefully Rex has the midas touch and can turn this loser into an effective player.

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