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    I dont know why so many people have already lost faith in Dwight. He has a very bright future ahead of him, he just hit a rookie wall last year. I see no reason to no believe that he can be our starter in the future and possibly even this year..

    That being said i hope that Lito can return to form because when he is playing his best he is on an all pro level.

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    [QUOTE=ListerFiend;3195158]I dont know why so many people have already lost faith in Dwight. He has a very bright future ahead of him, he just hit a rookie wall last year. I see no reason to no believe that he can be our starter in the future and possibly even this year..

    That being said i hope that Lito can return to form because when he is playing his best he is on an all pro level.[/QUOTE]

    I posted prior to the draft Lowery had major problems with Mangini late in the year and called back to coaches and friends in San Jose saying he was very disenchanted with the organization to the point he was very upset....Mangini needlessly and unneccasarily called out Lowery late in the season when things started falling apart for the organization....most thought Lowery was nothing more than a scapegoat for mangini, and Lowery did not appreciate it...

    you could tell both his seasons at San Jose St he would be a solid corner in the NFL if placed in a system (backed off the line, zone) that would help minimize his lack of speed....

    Ryan liking him is no surprise....

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    [QUOTE=GreenReaper;3194560]Never close the door on a rookie corner.

    I remember a Cowboys corner named Michael Downs(1980s), got toasted plenty as a starting rookie. Everybody was savaging him, saying he was too slow to play CB, and gave up on him. Except his coaches and teamates. Next year Downs came back strong...went to one of many Pro Bowls. Was a Cowboys starter for many years..

    ...Rex will work with him.[/QUOTE]

    I remember Downs he was a good player tall 6'3 played safety he never made a Pro Bowl but should have in 84..

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    I said it a million times.

    Lowery will a starting corner for many years in the NFL.

    Whether it's on the Jets or somewhere else.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;3195162]I posted prior to the draft Lowery had major problems with Mangini late in the year and called back to coaches and friends in San Jose saying he was very disenchanted with the organization to the point he was very upset....Mangini needlessly and unneccasarily called out Lowery late in the season when things started falling apart for the organization....most thought Lowery was nothing more than a scapegoat for mangini, and Lowery did not appreciate it...

    you could tell both his seasons at San Jose St he would be a solid corner in the NFL if placed in a system (backed off the line, zone) that would help minimize his lack of speed....

    Ryan liking him is no surprise....[/QUOTE]

    So Manboobs thinks Lowery is too slow for his system and so he goes out and gets TY LAW. That fat fraud took years off my life.

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    [QUOTE=Slikmojet;3194490]"he's playing too well not to be a major contributor"


    This guy will be starting by the end of TC, my money's on Lowery.[/QUOTE]

    I agree. Lowery's biggest problem was being continuously picked on because no one challenged Revis.

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    [QUOTE=Ryan Boru;3195212]So Manboobs thinks Lowery is too slow for his system and so he goes out and gets TY LAW. That fat fraud took years off my life.[/QUOTE]

    Are you Manboobs? Why would the guy who drafted him get on him for being too slow for his system?

    Maybe he got on him for playing like a rookie? Or is that a stretch?

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    [QUOTE=Savage69;3195192]I remember Downs he was a good player tall 6'3 played safety he never made a Pro Bowl but should have in 84..[/QUOTE]


    You're right...it was Everson Walls. They were teamates and I always seem to get them mixed up. Walls was not fast...but played for many years and was known for his ballhawking skills.

    Thanks Savage.

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    [QUOTE=Slikmojet;3195152]Other than Nnamdi who's the best corner in football, I wouldn't take any other corner on that pathetic squad over Lowery.[/QUOTE]

    Well i guess your happy with the 29th pass defense. Lowery is one of your top three Cbs, don't expect that pass defense to be any better in 2009.

    I hope Lowery still playing CB for the Jets when they meet the raiders this year. He has zero chance to stay with any raider Wr in man coverage.


    BTW- Did you see last year Raider/Jet game . Jets WR couldn't gain any seperation from Raiders Cb's. (thats with L Coles) what the deal with that, if there cb's aren't that good.
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    [QUOTE=Raider9175;3195461]Well i guess your happy with the 29th pass defense. Lowery is one of your top three Cbs, don't expect that pass defense to be any better in 2009.

    I hope Lowery still playing CB for the Jets when they meet the raiders this year. He has zero chance to stay with any raider Wr in man coverage.


    BTW- Did you see last year Raider/Jet game . Jets WR couldn't gain any seperation from Raiders Cb's. (thats with L Coles) what the deal with that, if there cb's aren't that good.[/QUOTE]

    Raider- I'm not into bashing other teams, etc- but you've got to admit; Davis and his penchant for taking soo many DB's so early in the draft year after year is not only assinine but it has really cost the franchise....

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;3195536]Raider- I'm not into bashing other teams, etc- but you've got to admit; Davis and his penchant for taking soo many DB's so early in the draft year after year is not only assinine but it has really cost the franchise....[/QUOTE]

    Not when your following your defensive Philosphy. Raiders/ AL Davis have always believed in building their defense around Cb's that specialize in man to man coverage and the defensiveline. " The Qb must go down and hard".

    ITs not easy finding Cbs that you can leave on an Island all game. THeir defense is built on having those type of Cbs. When you have a Charles woodson / Asomugha as franchised player(could lose one) , you have to cover yourself just in case you can't afford those players anymore.

    Raiders haven't done to well drafting safeties early in the draft. You miss on one in draft, your forced to take another in following drafts.

    They haven't even done well signing ones in FA- Gibril wilson



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    4a. Michael Bush, RB, Louisville
    4b. John Bowie, CB, Cincinnati
    5a. Jay Richardson, DE, Ohio State
    5b. Eric Frampton, S, Washington State
    6. Oren O'Neal, FB, Arkansas State
    7. Jonathan Holland, WR, Louisiana Tech
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    2. Jake Grove, C, Virginia Tech
    3. Stuart Schweigert, S, Purdue
    4. Carlos Francis, WR, Texas Tech
    5. Johnnie Morant, WR, Syracuse
    6a. Shawn Johnson, DE, Delaware
    6b. Cody Spencer, LB, North Texas
    7a. Courtney Anderson, TE, San Jose State

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    1a. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, California
    1b. Tyler Brayton, DE, Colorado
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    3a. Sam Williams, DE, Fresno State
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    6a. Keyon Nash, DB, Albany State (Ga.)
    6b. Larry Ned, RB, San Diego State
    7. Ronald Curry, QB, North Carolina
    2001
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    2. Marques Tuiasosopo, QB Washington
    3. DeLawrence Grant, DE, Oregon State
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    2000
    1. Sebastian Janikowski, K, Florida State
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    4. Junior Ioane, DT, Arizona State
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    1b. Mo Collins, T, Florida
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    5a. Jeremy Brigham, TE, Washington
    5b. Travian Smith, LB, Oklahoma
    7a. Vince Amey, DE, Arizona State
    7b. David Sanders, DE, Arkansas

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    [QUOTE=Slikmojet;3194490]"he's playing too well not to be a major contributor"


    This guy will be starting by the end of TC, my money's on Lowery.[/QUOTE]
    yeah yeah yeah, slik...you talk about Lowery so much, your posts taste like Seasoned Salt. ;)

    I hope you are right.

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    [QUOTE=Raider9175;3195461]Well i guess your happy with the 29th pass defense. Lowery is one of your top three Cbs, don't expect that pass defense to be any better in 2009.

    I hope Lowery still playing CB for the Jets when they meet the raiders this year. He has zero chance to stay with any raider Wr in man coverage.


    BTW- Did you see last year Raider/Jet game . Jets WR couldn't gain any seperation from Raiders Cb's. (thats with L Coles) what the deal with that, if there cb's aren't that good.[/QUOTE]




    The Jets corners starters held up very well, it was the linebackers and nickel and dime corners that got burned repeatedly by TE's, slot receivers and backs, so no Lowery was not the one most responsible for that pass ranking.

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    I love how people jump off bandwagons so fast the guy was a rookie fourth round pick that most of you guys knew nothing about and after the MIAMI opener people put him in the Hall. He set the bar high for himself after that performance and maybe a little too high but all in all it was an above-average rookie year and a solid rookie year from a 4th rounder from San Jose State! Not exactly Texas or USC there...

    The guys got game and Ty Law was not any better than he was he should not have been in the dog house and should have played more toward the tale end of last year. Mangini just loved flexin muscle.

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    [QUOTE=WestCoastOffensive;3196194]yeah yeah yeah, slik...you talk about Lowery so much, your posts taste like Seasoned Salt. ;)

    I hope you are right.[/QUOTE]




    That's my man!:cool:

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    Kids have highs and lows, and truely believe the talent is still there, he has to keep developing/

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    The problems with our secondary can be laid squarely at the door of the QB having all day and all night and then some to find a target.

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    The problems with our secondary began with our LBers leaving the middle of the field wiiiiiiide open.

    Also the weak depth that left a rookie as our third best DB, which we've hopefully covered.

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    [QUOTE=EM31;3196307]The problems with our secondary can be laid squarely at the door of the QB having all day and all night and then some to find a target.[/QUOTE]

    That's the crux of it, IMO. You should be able to have a JAG opposite a top 5 CB and still have decent coverage for the most part. For whatever reason, we couldn't do that. Sure, our LBs were probably below average in coverage (especially with Bowens at MLB), but our pass rush was feast or famine for most of the year - usually it was famine.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;3195162]I posted prior to the draft Lowery had major problems with Mangini late in the year and called back to coaches and friends in San Jose saying he was very disenchanted with the organization to the point he was very upset....Mangini needlessly and unneccasarily called out Lowery late in the season when things started falling apart for the organization....most thought Lowery was nothing more than a scapegoat for mangini, and Lowery did not appreciate it...

    you could tell both his seasons at San Jose St he would be a solid corner in the NFL if placed in a system (backed off the line, zone) that would help minimize his lack of speed....

    Ryan liking him is no surprise....[/QUOTE]

    Not sure if anyone posted this. A great article on Lowery in yesterday's Times. Lowery gets into his problems with Mangini.

    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/03/sports/football/03jets.html?_r=2[/url]

    CORTLAND, N.Y. — Dwight Lowery spent this spring performing football’s version of regression analysis, a painful but necessary exercise that consisted of a single case study: his rookie season with the Jets.

    After a difficult rookie season, the Jets’ Dwight Lowery said he has improved his self-esteem.

    Lowery spent last season moving in reverse. He peaked in September, already a starting cornerback despite being a fourth-round draft pick, then fell both out of favor and out of the starting lineup. By Week 5, doubt held his confidence in a vise grip. “Can I do anything right?” Lowery said he often wondered.

    Lowery, 23, had expected that he would exchange the typical rookie challenges for growth, that coaches would find and focus on his flaws, that he would do more learning in one season than he had in all his previous years combined. Even when he shined in September, Lowery knew the attention could fade as quickly as it had come. Fade, it did.

    Eventually, he developed a crisis of confidence, although Lowery insisted it was as much from what happened off the field as what happened on it. Lowery said his playing style did not match the coaching style of the previous regime under Eric Mangini. He said the coaches talked down to the players, called them out in meetings, embarrassed them, discouraged them, pushed them toward their breaking points.

    “I wasn’t being talked to like a man,” Lowery said. “A lot of guys weren’t being talked to like they were men. And when that happens, you don’t necessarily rebel, but you’re in an environment you don’t want to be in. That’s not an environment where you can be successful, if they’re not treating you like an adult.”

    Now in his second season, Lowery has engaged in an extreme makeover. He started by switching jersey numbers, to 21 from 34. He had a reminder of his rookie struggles tattooed on his left shoulder and down his arm.

    Those qualified more as cosmetic changes, but Lowery said his turning point came at an unexpected moment, in an unorthodox place. Upon returning to his hometown, Santa Cruz, Calif., Lowery and his girlfriend went into a shopping mall, where they found a store that Lowery described as “total Zen.”

    “I thought I’d check it out,” Lowery said. “I was thinking about Phil Jackson, all that kind of stuff.”

    Tucked among the shelves filled with teas, incense and bamboo sticks, Lowery found a row of books. He took a liking to the first one he picked up, a book that took a self-help approach to building self-esteem. Even though Lowery cannot remember the title, he said those pages provided the beginnings of his turnaround.

    Lowery said the book told readers to name the two voices that speak most commonly inside their heads. The book said to call the voice that nags and focuses on faults Mr. Perfect, and to name the other voice, the more positive and pragmatic one, the Realist.

    Most football players would probably not read books aimed at boosting self-esteem to overcome the struggles of their rookie season, much less openly admit to reading those books. But Lowery found something in that book that he never expected to, and instead of trying to forget that Mangini benched him for the aging veteran Ty Law, he chose to embrace those struggles and channel them into his planned resurgence.

    Lowery, whose play had been slipping in the weeks before his benching, learned that the Jets had signed Law when he saw the news scroll across his television. He called that moment “the best thing that ever could have happened to me,” because it lifted the spotlight and the pressure.

    He gained additional perspective shortly after the Law signing, when his grandmother, Thelma Muse, had a heart attack. Lowery said Muse had basically raised him until he was 10, and although she recovered, he saw a parallel between nearly losing a loved one and losing his starting job. Each could happen at any time.

    Visits home, where Lowery held long talks with his uncle, helped too. Even when Lowery was 5, he and his uncle would sit in his uncle’s car and talk for hours about Lowery’s potential. While reminiscing about those conversations, Lowery fought back tears.

    Renewed confidence emerged, even when the Jets made a trade in March for cornerback Lito Sheppard, a former Pro Bowler with Philadelphia who immediately moved ahead of Lowery on the depth chart. Coach Rex Ryan noted Lowery’s surging confidence level Sunday, along with the depth he gives the Jets at cornerback.

    Ryan plans to use Lowery in a variety of ways, from blitzing off the edge to covering tight ends in passing situations to the more traditional role of nickel back.

    “When things aren’t going your way as a rookie, and you retreat into a shell, it can be tough,” safety Kerry Rhodes said. “That’s what happened to him last year. But the pressure is off him now.”

    Teammates say Lowery looks like the player who surprised them last September after sliding into the starting lineup. In Ryan and his staff, Lowery has found uplifting counterparts compared with the coaching he experienced last season. Football feels more like freedom now.

    Lowery need look no further than his left shoulder for a reminder of that. There, he has a tattoo of a prisoner, shackled at the hands, chained to the ground below. The prisoner is reaching skyward, toward the clouds and the word “believe.”

    “That says it all,” Lowery said.

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