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    Do people realize what Shotty has accomplished given a rookie QB, lack of a true #1 WR, and the D's they've faced? The Jets offense with Sanchez has been much better than anyone predicted.

    To complain about the job he's done is foolish.

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    [QUOTE=bcess;3300786]I agree, Leon was built to run screens.[/QUOTE]

    If I see one more stupid bubble screen to Thomas "I probably run a 4.8" Jones I will find Schotty so that I can vomit on his face...

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    [QUOTE=Jet Nut;3301054]Shocking, teams will NOW start trying to go after our rookie QB, as if this is some new tactic. It's not that the Saints did something different, it's that they did it well.

    And do people watch the games, or do they just throw out cliches? The jets have not been an exclusive rum on first down team.[/QUOTE]

    I'm not sure what games you were watching but the saints showed zero respect for any pass play and blitzed probably 80% of the time. We didnt see that from houston, new england or tennessee.

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    I absolutely love how people are making the Saints to be the team who finally cracked the Sanchez enigma.. They put pressure on a rookie and forced him to make throws before he was ready to. It's not like they figured out the meaning of life. It's pretty obvious that putting pressure on a rookie is the most obvious way to get him to make mistakes. Not making those mistakes come with experience. If teams continue to pressure Sanchez, it's not because the Saints exploited him... It's because that's just what you do to a rookie QB.

    I can't believe people are still questioning Sanchez on a Saturday after a bad game.. Usually you guys let that go by Tuesday and then everything is back to rainbows and sunshine. If he has another bad game on Monday night, then you can start getting a little worried. Until then, chill out.

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    Sanchez ranked 35 of 37 football outsiders.com

    Regular season totals, through Week 4
    Revised as of 10/6/2009
    Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

    The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

    The simple version: DYAR means a quarterback with more total value. DVOA means a quarterback with more value per play.

    Effective Yards, listed in red, translate DVOA into a yards per attempt figure. This provides an easy comparison: in general, players with more Effective Yards than standard yards played better than standard stats would otherwise indicate, while players with fewer Effective Yards than standard yards played worse than standard stats would otherwise indicate. Effective Yards are not the best way to measure total value because they are more dependent on usage than DYAR.

    Passes total includes sacks and aborted snaps. Both count against a quarterback's value.
    Fumbles count the same whether lost to the defense or retained by the offense.
    Because it is early in the season, opponent adjustments are currently set at 40 percent strength.
    PASSING: Minimum 30 passes, 37 players ranked
    Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C%
    P.Manning IND 634 1 671 1 58.5% 1 62.6% 139 1,336 1,595 9 0 0 3 70.8%
    B.Roethlisberger PIT 478 2 516 2 37.4% 4 41.3% 153 1,119 1,442 5 1 0 3 73.2%
    D.Brees NO 464 3 432 3 44.3% 3 40.5% 133 998 1,303 9 1 1 2 67.4%
    T.Brady NE 416 4 385 6 23.7% 8 21.1% 179 1,109 1,526 4 0 1 2 62.1%
    E.Manning NYG 362 5 419 4 33.5% 5 40.5% 128 1,057 1,145 8 1 2 2 63.7%
    J.Flacco BAL 351 6 395 5 22.8% 10 27.1% 158 1,073 1,299 8 2 0 3 63.3%
    M.Ryan ATL 332 7 344 7 45.4% 2 47.5% 95 638 923 5 0 0 1 65.9%
    M.Schaub HOU 324 8 338 8 25.5% 7 27.1% 138 1,011 1,153 8 0 0 3 62.0%
    B.Favre MIN 322 9 329 9 27.1% 6 27.9% 133 794 1,117 8 0 0 1 69.7%
    P.Rivers SD 305 10 320 10 19.2% 11 20.7% 162 1,224 1,224 6 0 2 3 59.1%
    K.Orton DEN 270 11 292 11 23.0% 9 25.7% 126 896 1,005 5 1 0 0 59.0%
    D.Garrard JAC 248 12 288 12 15.9% 15 20.2% 148 942 1,076 5 1 2 1 59.4%
    A.Rodgers GB 245 13 236 13 17.0% 13 15.9% 148 994 1,035 6 1 1 1 61.1%
    Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C%
    K.Warner ARI 200 14 171 14 13.6% 16 10.1% 127 807 923 4 2 0 4 67.2%
    K.Kolb PHI 188 15 142 16 17.0% 12 10.1% 101 711 795 4 1 1 2 64.6%
    T.Romo DAL 174 16 131 17 8.7% 17 3.8% 138 946 944 4 0 1 4 58.6%
    C.Palmer CIN 135 17 142 15 3.8% 18 4.6% 147 802 908 6 1 0 4 58.5%
    M.Hasselbeck SEA 104 18 121 19 16.0% 14 20.3% 55 369 450 3 0 0 2 64.8%
    J.Campbell WAS 72 19 127 18 -2.5% 21 4.0% 133 909 776 5 2 2 5 65.9%
    S.Wallace SEA 71 20 26 24 -1.8% 19 -7.7% 124 596 714 3 2 2 2 66.1%
    C.Pennington MIA 45 21 55 20 -2.3% 20 -0.1% 78 383 466 1 1 1 1 70.8%
    S.Hill SF 29 22 49 22 -6.9% 22 -4.1% 121 619 600 5 2 1 1 63.5%
    B.Leftwich TB 22 23 12 25 -8.0% 23 -9.5% 112 601 587 4 2 0 3 54.2%
    K.Collins TEN 9 24 29 23 -10.2% 25 -8.2% 157 886 804 5 0 0 6 56.9%
    J.Cutler CHI 5 25 49 21 -10.5% 26 -5.7% 136 849 737 8 3 1 5 65.4%
    J.Johnson TB 2 26 3 26 -10.2% 24 -9.7% 36 161 184 1 0 0 1 53.1%
    Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C%
    M.Bulger STL -13 27 1 27 -14.3% 27 -10.9% 73 307 323 1 0 1 0 51.5%
    M.Stafford DET -42 28 -96 32 -15.6% 28 -21.3% 149 876 704 3 1 1 6 57.7%
    M.Cassel KC -45 29 -123 33 -18.5% 29 -31.3% 102 398 426 5 3 0 2 59.6%
    K.Boller STL -59 30 -78 28 -26.8% 32 -31.8% 60 246 224 2 0 0 2 52.7%
    T.Edwards BUF -74 31 -92 30 -20.4% 30 -22.7% 133 678 544 5 1 0 3 60.3%
    B.Quinn CLE -75 32 -133 34 -24.8% 31 -35.2% 86 381 346 1 0 2 2 60.8%
    D.Anderson CLE -81 33 -90 29 -29.4% 33 -31.3% 70 360 248 1 0 0 4 56.1%
    C.Henne MIA -95 34 -94 31 -41.7% 36 -41.4% 48 169 121 1 2 0 1 58.5%
    [B]M.Sanchez NYJ -156 35 -145 35 -31.9% 34 -30.3% 119 647 394 4 2 2 5 56.4% [/B]
    J.Delhomme CAR -171 36 -159 36 -39.1% 35 -37.2% 98 538 259 2 0 2 7 59.3%
    J.Russell OAK -226 37 -209 37 -44.5% 37 -42.0% 115 464 238 1 0 1 3 40.2%

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    [QUOTE=Jetlag;3300782]Hence acquiring Braylon Edwards.[/QUOTE]

    hence +1

    [QUOTE=VincenzoTestaverde;3300783][B]Getting Braylon changes the picture. Teams can't disrespect our pass anymore and stack 8-10 in the box [/B]anymore against our running game. I'd like to see team play the same D New Orleans did against [B]Edwards, Cotch and Keller.[/B][/QUOTE]


    yep



    [QUOTE=CTM;3300792]I imagine a deep ball to Braylon will be thrown early in Mondays game to try and back people off a bit..[/QUOTE]

    I definately wanna see that:yes:


    [QUOTE=Dimitri_0515;3300816]Should go 2 or 3 times our first and second possessions. That will back em off and [B]Braylon absolutely has some ups to grab a long ball.[/B][/QUOTE]


    Braylon will win 99 out of 100 jump balls. The one he doesn't...:dunno:



    [QUOTE=Ven0m;3301062]Truthfully, pressure didn't have a whole lot to do with any of the turnovers..... [B]the Sharper TD was a result of him losing track of the Safety on the play (And not doing enough to look the Safety off). He wasn't rushing a throw because he was under pressure. [/B]

    [B]The fumble he held onto the ball for far too long on. Nobody to blame there but Sanchez (And maybe the WR core for not getting open).[/B]



    [B]I'm sure teams will try and pressure Sanchez, because when don't teams try and pressure a Rookie QB? (Hint: It's the same strategy every team we've played so far has done,[/B] the Saints executed better), but hopefully having Braylon on the outside will give Sanchez another WR who can make them pay for such an action.[/QUOTE]



    Just because the Jets have Edwards, to help balance and open up the offense, doesn't mean that Sanchez will stop having rookie moments on the field...cause he will.

    Mark will still have to learn to be consistent in looking off his intended receivers. seeing where the safety is playing, etc.

    And when a rush is after him...Sanchez has to have an alarm clock go off in his head, to tell him to get rid of the ball...especially in or near the endzone.

    Stop the opponents running game with 8-9 box D. Then go kill the newbie QB...is standard operating procedure.

    Henne is practically a rookie(only threw 12 passes last year.) That's why the Phins ran last week for 250 yds and passed it for only 86.

    In this MNF Jets game with the Phins...both teams want to stop the run and rattle the inexperienced QBs with their blitzes and coverages. And at the same time have their own QBs operate the offense behind a dominant running game...we'll.. see which team does it best.

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    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV1FkcD0vc[/url]

    Do you guys watch our games? :confused:

    Unfortunately I don't get much opportunity to do so as there is very little football, and therefore JET, coverage here in the UK. Basically all I am really able to find are the highlights on NFL.com and then I check out what the banter is online using JI. They did show the titans game on cable which I was delighted by. :yes:

    Now, I don't want to piss on anyone's cheerios, and please don't think I'm personally trying to antagonise anyone (folks on the forum have been very short fused after our L to the saints) but a few of the comments on here are ridiculous!

    I'm an OC for my Uni team here and I took the above comments about Schotty seriously, after having blamed him for a lot of our previous offensive stumbling in recent years with Penny et al... I looked into it a little and, to my surprise, I actually feel like defending him on this matter.

    He may not be the best OC - far from it in fact. I think the point about his personnel use is likely a valid one, but about him being a R-R-P type guy? That seemed strange to me. I checked out youtube and found a link (above) to all Sanchez's pass plays.

    Of the 35 he made (more than shown on his statline so I assume penalties cost us). They broke down like this:
    1st down - 12
    2nd down - 12
    3rd down - 10
    4th down - 1 (although that was likely a called scramble)

    Doesnít seem like much of a RRP philosophy to me.

    Someone above commented on the JETS being forced into pass plays on 3rd down... of the 10 3rd down pass plays there were, 7 of them were from 3rd and 5 or less (where a team like the JETS would be more likely to run the ball)!!

    I note the point above too about TJ on a screen but the point is that a RB screen is supposed to look like a down-field pass, hence TJ being on the field for his superior pass blocking skills. Now, I know these plays arenít likely to be as successful as when LEON runs them but there has to be an element of misdirection in the personnel and play calling from an OC. Once we start providing LEON with more carries, then we will effectively be in a better position to run on a screen. Until that happens, any D in the league will be able to key on him being used as a misdirection back.

    IMO TJ is not as past it as some are making out and he should be cut some slack providing that it has been a rough early season schedule against a few good run stopping D's. He will show up soon, I hope he will anyway, for the sake of my fantasy teams if nothing else. :D

    This is the first loss we have suffered and, again without wanting to instigate too much online rioting, folks should be patient and realise that our team is on the verge of something special.

    Letís get behind them, both in the stands (if we are able - boohoo) and on the forums. People, these are not the same old JETS.

    Out.

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    [QUOTE=bcess;3301099]I'm not sure what games you were watching but the saints showed zero respect for any pass play and blitzed probably 80% of the time. We didnt see that from houston, new england or tennessee.[/QUOTE]

    What do you think, any team can just decide to become a blitz happy D?

    What does the Saints blitzing the Jets have to do with it? If you don't think the Titans and others didn't try to pressure Sanchez, you missed the games. It's that the Saints were able to shut the run game down, with a lead and go after the QB.

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    [QUOTE=Scottishjetsfan;3301132][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV1FkcD0vc[/url]

    [B]Do you guys watch our games?[/B] :confused:

    Unfortunately I don't get much opportunity to do so as there is very little football, and therefore JET, coverage here in the UK. Basically all I am really able to find are the highlights on NFL.com and then I check out what the banter is online using JI. They did show the titans game on cable which I was delighted by. :yes:

    Now, I don't want to piss on anyone's cheerios, and please don't think I'm personally trying to antagonise anyone (folks on the forum have been very short fused after our L to the saints) but a few of the comments on here are ridiculous!

    [B]I'm an OC for my Uni team here and I took the above comments about Schotty seriously, after having blamed him for a lot of our previous offensive stumbling in recent years with Penny et al... I looked into it a little and, to my surprise, I actually feel like defending him on this matter. [/B]

    He may not be the best OC - far from it in fact. I think the point about his personnel use is likely a valid one, but about him being a R-R-P type guy? That seemed strange to me. I checked out youtube and found a link (above) to all Sanchez's pass plays.

    Of the 35 he made (more than shown on his statline so I assume penalties cost us). They broke down like this:
    1st down - 12
    2nd down - 12
    3rd down - 10
    4th down - 1 (although that was likely a called scramble)

    Doesn’t seem like much of a RRP philosophy to me.

    Someone above commented on the JETS being forced into pass plays on 3rd down... of the 10 3rd down pass plays there were, 7 of them were from 3rd and 5 or less (where a team like the JETS would be more likely to run the ball)!!

    I note the point above too about TJ on a screen but the point is that a RB screen is supposed to look like a down-field pass, hence TJ being on the field for his superior pass blocking skills. Now, I know these plays aren’t likely to be as successful as when LEON runs them but there has to be an element of misdirection in the personnel and play calling from an OC. Once we start providing LEON with more carries, then we will effectively be in a better position to run on a screen. Until that happens, any D in the league will be able to key on him being used as a misdirection back.

    IMO TJ is not as past it as some are making out and he should be cut some slack providing that it has been a rough early season schedule against a few good run stopping D's. He will show up soon, I hope he will anyway, for the sake of my fantasy teams if nothing else. :D

    This is the first loss we have suffered and, again without wanting to instigate too much online rioting, folks should be patient and realise that our team is on the verge of something special.

    Let’s get behind them, both in the stands (if we are able - boohoo) and on the forums. People, these are not the same old JETS.

    Out.

    Matty
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    No offense, but after reading this comment, do you? Did you forget all those empty backfield/no protection/telegraphed passing third downs with Favre last year? What, Brett checked out of all those calls? You see the third and ones with Sanchez last week? You want to defend Schotty? Fine. But, IMO, he has been a disappointment during his tenure.

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    [QUOTE=Borgoguy;3301137]No offense, but after reading this comment, do you? Did you forget all those empty backfield/no protection/telegraphed passing third downs with Favre last year? What, Brett checked out of all those calls? You see the third and ones with Sanchez last week? You want to defend Schotty? Fine. But, IMO, he has been a disappointment during his tenure.[/QUOTE]

    My point was trying to defend Schotty against the R-R-P label that dudes are trying to enforce. I know he isn't a great OC, in fact, you'll note I mentioned it in my post.

    Also, I was relating the above to his calls against the Saints, not to his Brett Fav-ailure last year. He was overawed when Brett came to town and his playcalls showed it.

    I understand that our current OC is not getting the job done in terms of personnel and situational playcalls. I just don't think he is as basic as some people are attempting to infer.

    The point is, there will be no change in this position until the offseason, so let's get behind him for the time being and realise that we are 3-1 THIS season and coming off a loss to a great team that, IMO, could be destined for the SB. Remember, with a few less mistakes (which will undoubtedly come with time) from the SANCHIZE, this game could have been entirely different!

    We're doing ok boys – overrated OC or not. Let's not beat him up just yet cause we need him to do well in the short term.

    PS 3rd and 1 is a good time to roll SANCHIZE out on a pass/keeper which we did a few times, no-one was crawling up Schotty's ass when MARK was completing those passes in the first 3 games (drops by the WRs factor in here too btw).
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    IMO other teams can "smell it" all they want cuz they won't be able to do a damn thing about it!

    That was a pretty decent NO defense that we faced in case you hadn't noticed. Put that with us not playing our best game and it would have been hard to come out on top. It happens.

    Sanchez is no joke and neither is this team, nor should we be taken lightly because we have a rookie QB.

    Braylon will have a huge impact on this team even if he doesn't catch 10 balls and 2 TDs every game.

    Man do I feel sorry for the hell we are going to unleash on Miami, well no I don't feel sorry and I can't wait till we EMBARRASS them in the national spotlight where we belong! :D

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    [QUOTE=Scottishjetsfan;3301151]My point was trying to defend Schotty against the R-R-P label that dudes are trying to enforce. I know he isn't a great OC, in fact, you'll note I mentioned it in my post.

    Also, I was relating the above to his calls against the Saints, not to his Brett Fav-ailure last year. He was overawed when Brett came to town and his playcalls showed it.

    I understand that our current OC is not getting the job done in terms of personnel and situational playcalls. I just don't think he is as basic as some people are attempting to infer.

    [B]The point is, there will be no change in this position until the offseason, so let's get behind him for the time being and realise that we are 3-1[/B] THIS season and coming off a loss to a great team that, IMO, could be destined for the SB. Remember, with a few less mistakes (which will undoubtedly come with time) from the SANCHIZE, this game could have been entirely different!

    We're doing ok boys – overrated OC or not. Let's not beat him up just yet cause we need him to do well in the short term.

    PS 3rd and 1 is a good time to roll SANCHIZE out on a pass/keeper which we did a few times, no-one was crawling up Schotty's ass when MARK was completing those passes in the first 3 games (drops by the WRs factor in here too btw).[/QUOTE]

    Scottish, I want nothing more than to support the guy and for us to continue winning. I love this team so much that some of the boneheaded calls get to me sometimes. BTW. I think you wrote a great post and totally respect you and your opinion. Since he's been our OC, I have just felt that Schotty over-thinks things, and never quite gets into a game rhythm. For some reason, he gets away from what has/is working. I hope we're laughing at all these histrionics as the team (and us) is basking in the glory of a parade down the Canyon of Heroes after winning this year's Super Bowl.

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    [QUOTE=Borgoguy;3301168]Scottish, I want nothing more than to support the guy and for us to continue winning. I love this team so much that some of the boneheaded calls get to me sometimes. BTW. I think you wrote a great post and totally respect you and your opinion. Since he's been our OC, I have just felt that Schotty over-thinks things, and never quite gets into a game rhythm. For some reason, he gets away from what has/is working. I hope we're laughing at all these histrionics as the team (and us) is basking in the glory of a parade down the Canyon of Heroes after winning this year's Super Bowl.[/QUOTE]

    Amen, agree 100% with all of the above bro, frustrating OC over the period.

    Let's hope our SB win takes him on to bigger (HC position somewhere the hell away from us) and "better" things and Ryan brings in a dude of his own next year to perpetuate our domination of the AFC East and the NFL for the foreseeable future! :yes:

    NYJ, the next NFL dynasty, and the only one that matters! :cool:

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    [QUOTE=Scottishjetsfan;3301184]Amen, agree 100% with all of the above bro, frustrating OC over the period.

    Let's hope our SB win takes him on to bigger (HC position somewhere the hell away from us) and "better" things and Ryan brings in a dude of his own next year to perpetuate our domination of the AFC East and the NFL for the foreseeable future! :yes:

    [B]NYJ, the next NFL dynasty,[/B] and the only one that matters! :cool:[/QUOTE]

    I would give almost anything for this to become a reality. Ryan is the kind of HC who could make this happen. After 40+ years of watching this team never get to the big dance again, it would be beyond sweet. I was only 12 the last time we won. F**kin' A. ;)

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    [QUOTE=Jet Nut;3301135]What do you think, any team can just decide to become a blitz happy D?

    What does the Saints blitzing the Jets have to do with it? If you don't think the Titans and others didn't try to pressure Sanchez, you missed the games. It's that the Saints were able to shut the run game down, with a lead and go after the QB.[/QUOTE]

    Yes I do.

    Teams can send 7-8 just about every down and take their chances with 1 on 1's.

    That did not happen with Houston, TN or NE with regularity. NO did it with regularly and with success.

    I'm not saying Sanchez wont recover from what happened to him, I think he will. I just think the best way to beat us now is to send the house after Sanchez and force him to make decisions under duress. Our D will keep us in any game as long as we dont shoot ourself in the foot.

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    [QUOTE=Area52;3301152]IMO other teams can "smell it" all they want cuz they won't be able to do a damn thing about it!

    That was a pretty decent NO defense that we faced in case you hadn't noticed. Put that with us not playing our best game and it would have been hard to come out on top. It happens.

    Sanchez is no joke and neither is this team, nor should we be taken lightly because we have a rookie QB.

    Braylon will have a huge impact on this team even if he doesn't catch 10 balls and 2 TDs every game.

    Man do I feel sorry for the hell we are going to unleash on Miami, well no I don't feel sorry and I can't wait till we EMBARRASS them in the national spotlight where we belong! :D[/QUOTE]

    You are right, our D will crush Miami, we may see Pat white\Thigpen early.

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