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    Question about NFL rules and Jones-Drew's non-TD

    Not that it matters now, but we now know all we need to know about Pouha/the jets screwing up the "Freeway" defense meant to concede a TD and Jones-Drew intentionally stopping short and chewing up the clock.

    Question: Could the Jets have pushed, or even picked up and carried the RB toting the ball into the end zone?

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    If his knee wasn't on the ground, I'm sure they could have pushed him if he was right there at the goal line.

    But when his knee was down that was it...because as soon as you touch him the play is over.

    I'm pretty sure that's how it goes.

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    [QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;3358780]Not that it matters now, but we now know all we need to know about Pouha/the jets screwing up the "Freeway" defense meant to concede a TD and Jones-Drew intentionally stopping short and chewing up the clock.

    Question: Could the Jets have pushed, or even picked up and carried the RB toting the ball into the end zone?[/QUOTE]

    If he decides to go down, and his knee, elbow, butt is down, when a defender touches him, he's down.

    If he's still upright and a player hits him or picks him and carries him (unless the ref blows the whistle), then forward progress will count to where he's down.

    Like when a RB gets hit forward. It counts.

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    Here's what we should have done

    He runs his way all the way to the 1 and takes a knee.

    NOONE touches him. The defensive unit forms a wall at the goal line.

    Time ticks off the clock. RB starts freaking out seeing the clock wind down.

    5…4…3..

    NOONE touches him. He goes for the TD we stop him. Game over.


    :D

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    A bit unrelated...isn't there a rule about how you can't push your own teammate forward? I believe around the second quarter, they were trying a QB sneak to get a first down, and we initially stuffed Garrard...but then MJD shoved Garrard forward and he got the first.

    What's the official rule on that?

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    that was a pretty heads up play by MJD to stop at the 1 and let the clock wind down.

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    [QUOTE=RaoulDuke;3358801]Here's what we should have done

    He runs his way all the way to the 1 and takes a knee.

    NOONE touches him. The defensive unit forms a wall at the goal line.

    Time ticks off the clock. RB starts freaking out seeing the clock wind down.

    543..

    NOONE touches him. He goes for the TD we stop him. Game over.


    :D[/QUOTE]

    Smart!

    That would be turning their own trick against them. I like it!

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    [QUOTE=JamaicanJetFan;3358814]A bit unrelated...isn't there a rule about how you can't push your own teammate forward? I believe around the second quarter, they were trying a QB sneak to get a first down, and we initially stuffed Garrard...but then MJD shoved Garrard forward and he got the first.

    What's the official rule on that?[/QUOTE]

    According to the talking heads doing the game, it's legal to push, but not to pull, a teammate forward.

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    [QUOTE=BigBensAngel7;3358825]that was a pretty heads up play by MJD to stop at the 1 and let the clock wind down.[/QUOTE]

    One of the Jags coaches told him to do it.

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    [QUOTE=Johnny Bravo;3358848]One of the Jags coaches told him to do it.[/QUOTE]
    yeah, that would be too much for a football player to do on his own:D

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    [QUOTE=RaoulDuke;3358801]Here's what we should have done

    He runs his way all the way to the 1 and takes a knee.

    NOONE touches him. The defensive unit forms a wall at the goal line.

    Time ticks off the clock. RB starts freaking out seeing the clock wind down.

    543..

    NOONE touches him. He goes for the TD we stop him. Game over.


    :D[/QUOTE]

    I doubt it works that way, otherwise no kick returner would be able to take a knee in the end zone either (or for that matter, no QB would be able to perform the kneel down play).

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    [QUOTE=RaoulDuke;3358801]Here's what we should have done

    He runs his way all the way to the 1 and takes a knee.

    NOONE touches him. The defensive unit forms a wall at the goal line.

    Time ticks off the clock. RB starts freaking out seeing the clock wind down.

    5…4…3..

    NOONE touches him. He goes for the TD we stop him. Game over.


    :D[/QUOTE]

    the rule is, when a ball carrier INTENTIONALLY gives himself on the field -- i.e. takes a knee or drops to the ground with the clear intention of trying to end the play -- the ref does not need to (and should not) wait until he's touched to blow the play dead. The Jets did not need to touch Jones-Drew there to end the play...so the strategy you outlined above would not work.

    This came up years ago (during the Parcells era), on a play near the end of a game when the Jets needed about 5 yards to get in range for a game winning field goal and had about 5 seconds left on the clock. The announceres were claiming there was only time for one play, but the Jets ran a quick slant to Chrebet who caught the ball, fell to the ground, and immediately called timeout with a second still left on the clock. No defender had touched him, but the play ended because he clearly was "giving himself up." I believe the subsequent field goal was good...anyone else remember this game?
    Last edited by gaffneycatch; 11-16-2009 at 10:08 AM.

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    [QUOTE=RaoulDuke;3358801]Here's what we should have done

    He runs his way all the way to the 1 and takes a knee.

    NOONE touches him. The defensive unit forms a wall at the goal line.

    Time ticks off the clock. RB starts freaking out seeing the clock wind down.

    543..

    NOONE touches him. He goes for the TD we stop him. Game over.


    :D[/QUOTE]

    That's within the rules, i think that would have worked.

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    [QUOTE=MDL_JET;3358786]If his knee wasn't on the ground, I'm sure they could have pushed him if he was right there at the goal line.

    But when his knee was down that was it...because as soon as you touch him the play is over.

    I'm pretty sure that's how it goes.[/QUOTE]

    Could we have punched the ball (not touching the player) and caused a fumble that way?

    SAR I

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    [QUOTE=gaffneycatch;3358900]the rule is, when a ball carrier INTENTIONALLY gives himself on the field -- i.e. takes a knee or drops to the ground with the clear intention of trying to end the play -- the ref does not need to (and should not) wait until he's touched to blow the play dead. The Jets did not need to touch Jones-Drew there to end the play...so the strategy you outlined above would not work.
    [/QUOTE]

    Bummer. :(

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    [QUOTE=RaoulDuke;3358801]Here's what we should have done

    He runs his way all the way to the 1 and takes a knee.

    NOONE touches him. The defensive unit forms a wall at the goal line.

    Time ticks off the clock. RB starts freaking out seeing the clock wind down.

    543..

    NOONE touches him. He goes for the TD we stop him. Game over.


    [/QUOTE]

    Cute idea, but Del Rio had timeouts left and he'd have called one from the sidelines as he's allowed to do.

    SAR I

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    [QUOTE=RaoulDuke;3358801]Here's what we should have done

    He runs his way all the way to the 1 and takes a knee.

    NOONE touches him. The defensive unit forms a wall at the goal line.

    Time ticks off the clock. RB starts freaking out seeing the clock wind down.

    543..

    NOONE touches him. He goes for the TD we stop him. Game over.


    :D[/QUOTE]

    That wouldn't have worked since the ref would have blown the whistle. He doesn't need to be touched to be ruled down... the runner can give himself up... like a QB on a kneel down.

    Revis made a head up play by trying to knock the ball out.

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    Someone should have put a helmet on him while he was on one knee.

    Unsportsmanlike conduct. Big deal. Half a yard penanty.

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    [QUOTE=dmitexxi;3358949]That's within the rules, i think that would have worked.[/QUOTE]

    nope

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    [QUOTE=Roger Vick;3358988]Someone should have put a helmet on him while he was on one knee.

    Unsportsmanlike conduct. Big deal. Half a yard penanty.[/QUOTE]

    I agree... he should have been pummeled. He didn't lay down and cover up. Someone should have drilled him and hope for a fumble. Technically he should be down as soon as contact is made, but as we saw from the Cotchery fumble against Denver last year, that isn't always the call.

    Revis had the right idea... just a little late.

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