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Thread: Question about NFL rules and Jones-Drew's non-TD

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    [QUOTE=newjakecity;3358879]I doubt it works that way, otherwise no kick returner would be able to take a knee in the end zone either (or for that matter, no QB would be able to perform the kneel down play).[/QUOTE]

    I'm not sure how that would work. At 10 seconds he could simply roll into one of the guys forming the wall. Either he would score a TD or he would be down as soon as he hit a Jet.

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    [QUOTE=RaoulDuke;3358801]Here's what we should have done

    He runs his way all the way to the 1 and takes a knee.

    NOONE touches him. The defensive unit forms a wall at the goal line.

    Time ticks off the clock. RB starts freaking out seeing the clock wind down.

    543..

    NOONE touches him. He goes for the TD we stop him. Game over.


    :D[/QUOTE]

    That would probably be funny and had Rex completely thought the situation through should have told his players that if MJD took a knee to not touch him, may well have been the longest play in NFL history.

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    ballsy

    [QUOTE=Johnny Bravo;3358848]One of the Jags coaches told him to do it.[/QUOTE]


    I like it, but Its still a really ballsy move and their lucky it worked - could you imagine if on the FG there was a bad snap and scobey missed the game winner??? When they had taken a knee on a sure TD???

    Balls.

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    Revis knocked the ball out of his hands without touching MJD's body, but a Jet player had touched him before that.

    Interesting what the ruling would have been if Revis knocks it out and it is recovered by the Jets.

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    I couldn't watch the game live but I think that is a retarded thing to do unless you are already leading the game like the Eagles were last year. Instead of getting a 100% sure td you are leaving it in the hands of a FG in which the guy can choke and bork it, it can be blocked, there can be a bad snap or hold.

    Would this be lauded as a smart, alert play if the snap was bad and the kicker missed or if the Jets block the kick?

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    [QUOTE=CV 40;3359253]Revis knocked the ball out of his hands without touching MJD's body, but a Jet player had touched him before that.

    Interesting what the ruling would have been if Revis knocks it out and it is recovered by the Jets.[/QUOTE]
    the refs would have said he was down by contact and somehow manage to give the jags another shot..lol. :D

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    the only way out would have been to have that 6-9 guy Ropati Apitltltuelea on the field and have him grab Jones-Drew, lift him up in a firemans carry so his knee or no other part could touch the ground, carry him across the goal line and then deposit him in the endzone for the TD

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    [QUOTE=Tailgater;3358842]According to the talking heads doing the game, it's legal to push, but not to pull, a teammate forward.[/QUOTE]

    I believe its a college rule that you can't push a player forward...

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    but is it illegal to pull an opponent forward into the endzone?

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    [QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;3358780]Not that it matters now, but we now know all we need to know about Pouha/the jets screwing up the "Freeway" defense meant to concede a TD and Jones-Drew intentionally stopping short and chewing up the clock.

    Question: Could the Jets have pushed, or even picked up and carried the RB toting the ball into the end zone?[/QUOTE]

    As MD mentioned, so long as MJD's knee wasn't down the Jets could have grabbed him and taken him into the endzone. The moment his knee was down and contact with the defender means he's down.

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    [QUOTE=Johnnyf0614;3359281]I believe its a college rule that you can't push a player forward...[/QUOTE]

    That's pulling your own teammate to gain more yards.

    Nothing prevents a defender from driving an opponent in any direction.

    If the Jets had tackled MJD at the 1 with him still on his feet, they could have thrown him into the endzone for the TD.

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    [QUOTE=Beerfish;3359273]I couldn't watch the game live but I think that is a retarded thing to do unless you are already leading the game like the Eagles were last year. Instead of getting a 100% sure td you are leaving it in the hands of a FG in which the guy can choke and bork it, it can be blocked, there can be a bad snap or hold.

    Would this be lauded as a smart, alert play if the snap was bad and the kicker missed or if the Jets block the kick?[/QUOTE]

    I completely agree. Everyone is saying what a smart play it was - I think it's one of the dumbest things I've seen on the football field.
    You're LOSING. Take the sure score, take the lead and play defense.
    I can't imagine they were scared of Sanchez pulling a Peyton Manning.

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    [QUOTE=TDJETS10;3359328]I completely agree. Everyone is saying what a smart play it was - I think it's one of the dumbest things I've seen on the football field.
    You're LOSING. Take the sure score, take the lead and play defense.
    I can't imagine they were scared of Sanchez pulling a Peyton Manning.[/QUOTE]

    I disagree. There's a 1 % chance of the Jags missing that kick (based on missed FG of less than 20 and XP over the last 2 seasons).

    If he scores, with about 1:40 left on the clock and the Jets needing to go 70-80 yards for a game winning TD. That's a much more likely scenerio

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    [QUOTE=Batmans A Scientist;3359354]I disagree. There's a 1 % chance of the Jags missing that kick (based on missed FG of less than 20 and XP over the last 2 seasons).

    If he scores, with about 1:40 left on the clock and the Jets needing to go 70-80 yards for a game winning TD. That's a much more likely scenerio[/QUOTE]

    1% is bigger than 0% and the Jets have to score a td not just drive for a fg. It worked so it is easier to defend. Just like the flack the Pats are taking for gambling in their own end, Belli is a bone head because it didn't work but I'm sure a person could come up with a stat as to why it was a good move if they had made it.

    I'll stand by my thought that it was not a smart move. If you are winning the game then it's a very smart move. If you are behind it's risky.

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    [QUOTE=Beerfish;3359372]1% is bigger than 0% and the Jets have to score a td not just drive for a fg. It worked so it is easier to defend. Just like the flack the Pats are taking for gambling in their own end, Belli is a bone head because it didn't work but I'm sure a person could come up with a stat as to why it was a good move if they had made it.

    I'll stand by my thought that it was not a smart move. If you are winning the game then it's a very smart move. If you are behind it's risky.[/QUOTE]

    Which do you think is more likely

    A) Jags missing a 19 yard field goal

    B) Jets going down the field and scoring a TD with 1:40 left on the clock.

    The only mistake the Jags made (IMO) is not giving themselves extra time in case something happened on the snap.

    But even as inconsistent as the Jets offense and Sanchez are, they are still more likely to go down the field and score in 1:30 - 1:40, then the Jags are of missing an extra point.

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    [QUOTE=SackDancer99;3359014]I agree... he should have been pummeled. He didn't lay down and cover up. Someone should have drilled him and hope for a fumble. Technically he should be down as soon as contact is made, but as we saw from the Cotchery fumble against Denver last year, that isn't always the call.

    Revis had the right idea... just a little late.[/QUOTE]

    Agreed 100%. That is the perfect time for a kamikaze style hit.

    Obliterate him and pop that ball out.

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    [QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;3358780]

    Question: Could the Jets have pushed, or even picked up and carried the RB toting the ball into the end zone?[/QUOTE]


    That's essentially how NE beat Buffalo on the McKelvin kick return fiasco.

    Three Pats ganged him and prevented McKelvin's knee from touching down until the ball was successfully stripped.

    We could've done the same thing to MJD, but the Jets never think of those extra details.

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    [QUOTE=jetsNOW!;3359660]That's essentially how NE beat Buffalo on the McKelvin kick return fiasco.

    Three Pats ganged him and prevented McKelvin's knee from touching down until the ball was successfully stripped.

    We could've done the same thing to MJD, but the Jets never think of those extra details.[/QUOTE]

    McKelvin didn't try to go down until after the Pats got there. MJD was already down.

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    [QUOTE=SAR I;3358955]Could we have punched the ball (not touching the player) and caused a fumble that way?

    SAR I[/QUOTE]

    revis sort of tried to do that.

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    [QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;3358780]Not that it matters now, but we now know all we need to know about Pouha/the jets screwing up the "Freeway" defense meant to concede a TD and Jones-Drew intentionally stopping short and chewing up the clock.

    Question: Could the Jets have pushed, or even picked up and carried the RB toting the ball into the end zone?[/QUOTE]

    is this a dwarf tossing joke in the making?

    [IMG]http://thelongestlistofthelongeststuffatthelongestdomainnameatlonglast.com/images/toss.JPG[/IMG]

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