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    This is the bottom line.

    Castro and Guaverra kicked Batista's ass out of Cuba, and with it American Imperialistic greed. We tried to get back in(Bay of Pigs) and they handily kicked the **** out of U.S.( that's right, the always right blessed by God United ****ing States of America. He did it so well that we never have tried it again and his people have maintained their own kind of freedom, not imported from the U.S. every since. Our owners do not want our people to learn from his example so they have left well enough alone, except to embargo the **** out of them and they have still survived. I now know that I am not a Democrat, not a Republican, not and Independant and not a Progressive....I now know that I am a Revolutionary. I do not think that I will see the second American Revolution in my lifetime but I would like to go on record as saying that when it does happen I thought it was a good idea first.

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    [QUOTE=Equilibrium;3428425]Without turning this into a political thread[/QUOTE]

    ...riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :D

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    [QUOTE=32green;3428205]Thats what I would have posted if I wasnt an functional mongoloid.


    :yes:[/QUOTE]

    I'm mogoloider than you.

    WTF are you bag o deeks talkin' bout?

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    [QUOTE=marano;3428483]Castro and Guaverra kicked Batista's ass out of Cuba, and with it American Imperialistic greed. We tried to get back in(Bay of Pigs) and they handily kicked the **** out of U.S.( that's right, the always right blessed by God United ****ing States of America. He did it so well that we never have tried it again and his people have maintained their own kind of freedom, not imported from the U.S. every since. Our owners do not want our people to learn from his example so they have left well enough alone, except to embargo the **** out of them and they have still survived. I now know that I am not a Democrat, not a Republican, not and Independant and not a Progressive....I now know that I am a Revolutionary. I do not think that I will see the second American Revolution in my lifetime but I would like to go on record as saying that when it does happen I thought it was a good idea first.[/QUOTE]

    Ernesto "Che" Guevara was a murdering piece of garbage. A medical doctor who at one time took an oath to "first, do no harm" and then proceeded to murder and brutally torture fellow human beings. The fact that he has been romanticized into some sort of liberating hero on a par with Simon Bolivar is a disgusting perversion of the truth of his life.

    He was shot down like the cowardly dog that he was and the world became a better place when he left it.

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    [QUOTE=VivaSanchez;3428549]Ernesto "Che" Guevara was a murdering piece of garbage. A medical doctor who at one time took an oath to "first, do no harm" and then proceeded to murder and brutally torture fellow human beings. The fact that he has been romanticized into some sort of liberating hero on a par with Simon Bolivar is a disgusting perversion of the truth of his life.

    He was shot down like the cowardly dog that he was and the world became a better place when he left it.[/QUOTE]

    On the other hand, the guy was a "hoot" at parties.

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    [QUOTE=32green;3428068]Our owners? What are you, Heston in Planet?

    :dunno:[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE=marano;3428483]Castro and Guaverra kicked Batista's ass out of Cuba, and with it American Imperialistic greed. We tried to get back in(Bay of Pigs) and they handily kicked the **** out of U.S.( that's right, the always right blessed by God United ****ing States of America. He did it so well that we never have tried it again and his people have maintained their own kind of freedom, not imported from the U.S. every since. Our owners do not want our people to learn from his example so they have left well enough alone, except to embargo the **** out of them and they have still survived. I now know that I am not a Democrat, not a Republican, not and Independant and not a Progressive....I now know that I am a Revolutionary. I do not think that I will see the second American Revolution in my lifetime but I would like to go on record as saying that when it does happen I thought it was a good idea first.[/QUOTE]

    no- a patient who escaped from the asylum.....

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;3428568]no- a patient who escaped from the asylum.....[/QUOTE]

    ...or a Beer Hall Putz...

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    [QUOTE=marano;3428483]Castro and Guaverra kicked Batista's ass out of Cuba, and with it American Imperialistic greed. We tried to get back in(Bay of Pigs) and they handily kicked the **** out of U.S.( that's right, the always right blessed by God United ****ing States of America. He did it so well that we never have tried it again and his people have maintained their own kind of freedom, not imported from the U.S. every since. Our owners do not want our people to learn from his example so they have left well enough alone, except to embargo the **** out of them and they have still survived. I now know that I am not a Democrat, not a Republican, not and Independant and not a Progressive....I now know that I am a Revolutionary. I do not think that I will see the second American Revolution in my lifetime but I would like to go on record as saying that when it does happen I thought it was a good idea first.[/QUOTE]

    Hey genius boy...name me the instance when a revolution has succeeded in an industrialized capitalist country where the upper 1% of the population holds a third of the entire wealth. What do you do in the highly unlikely circumstance that your revolution wins and the upper 5% of the population takes all of that wealth out of the country to protect it from your new govt? How are you funding your new govt? New taxes? Good luck getting blood from a stone. How about subsidies from a patron state like Cuba got from the Soviet Union? Hmmm how about China funding your new revolutionary govt? Oh yeah that's right the US is China's biggest trading partner. So when you shut off the cash taps then where is China getting the money to send to you and your revolutionary brother and sisters?

    Marano, your new name is Moron-o. Advocating the overthrow of the US govt by means other than the ballot box is treason and a death penalty offense.

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    [QUOTE=VivaSanchez;3428578]Hey genius boy...name me the instance when a revolution has succeeded in an industrialized capitalist country where the upper 1% of the population holds a third of the entire wealth. What do you do in the highly unlikely circumstance that your revolution wins and the upper 5% of the population takes all of that wealth out of the country to protect it from your new govt? How are you funding your new govt? New taxes? Good luck getting blood from a stone. How about subsidies from a patron state like Cuba got from the Soviet Union? Hmmm how about China funding your new revolutionary govt? Oh yeah that's right the US is China's biggest trading partner. So when you shut off the cash taps then where is China getting the money to send to you and your revolutionary brother and sisters?

    Marano, your new name is Moron-o. Advocating the overthrow of the US govt by means other than the ballot box is treason and a death penalty offense.[/QUOTE]

    Warrrgarbl?

    Nothing wrong with idolizing a murderer, is there? Millions of people worship Mr. God...and that dude killed, like, a million Egyptian babies in one night.












    ;)

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    [QUOTE=marano;3428483]Castro and Guaverra kicked Batista's ass out of Cuba, and with it American Imperialistic greed. We tried to get back in(Bay of Pigs) and they handily kicked the **** out of U.S.( that's right, the always right blessed by God United ****ing States of America. He did it so well that we never have tried it again and his people have maintained their own kind of freedom, not imported from the U.S. every since. Our owners do not want our people to learn from his example so they have left well enough alone, except to embargo the **** out of them and they have still survived. I now know that I am not a Democrat, not a Republican, not and Independant and not a Progressive....I now know that I am a Revolutionary. I do not think that I will see the second American Revolution in my lifetime but I would like to go on record as saying that when it does happen I thought it was a good idea first.[/QUOTE]

    Um. Wow.

    Ok.

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    [QUOTE=marano;3428483]Castro and Guaverra kicked Batista's ass out of Cuba, and with it American Imperialistic greed. We tried to get back in(Bay of Pigs) and they handily kicked the **** out of U.S.( that's right, the always right blessed by God United ****ing States of America. He did it so well that we never have tried it again and his people have maintained their own kind of freedom, not imported from the U.S. every since. Our owners do not want our people to learn from his example so they have left well enough alone, except to embargo the **** out of them and they have still survived. I now know that I am not a Democrat, not a Republican, not and Independant and not a Progressive....I now know that I am a Revolutionary. I do not think that I will see the second American Revolution in my lifetime but I would like to go on record as saying that when it does happen I thought it was a good idea first.[/QUOTE]

    uh......castro and old che are/were pieces of shi....

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    [QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;3428572]...or a Beer Hall Putz...[/QUOTE]



    Putsch

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    [QUOTE=IHATEDOLPHINS;3428648]uh......castro and old che are/were pieces of shi....[/QUOTE]



    and so was Batista

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    [QUOTE=Buster;3428655]Putsch[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;3428532]...riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :D[/QUOTE]

    I guess I failed in my attempt to emphasize the "history" part in "political history".

    :(

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    [QUOTE=VivaSanchez;3428578]Hey genius boy...name me the instance when a revolution has succeeded in an industrialized capitalist country where the upper 1% of the population holds a third of the entire wealth.[/QUOTE]


    First off be nice no need to be a meanie, let your ideas be your power not an insult.



    Depends on your definition of 'industrialized capitalist country' but the Iranian revolution in the 70’s was a shocker.

    Usually revolutions are doomed when the country they attempt to 'change' has a large middle class. Folks with jobs and property are less likely to throw all that away for some ideology no matter how appealing it may sound.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;3428637]Warrrgarbl?

    Nothing wrong with idolizing a murderer, is there? Millions of people worship Mr. God...and that dude killed, like, a million Egyptian babies in one night. ;)[/QUOTE]

    Pharoah ordered the death of all Hebrew male children.
    In retribution Gd placed a plague on some of the Egyptian kiddies.
    The # of either is not stated specifically.
    Next time you summon him, just ask Old Scratch if your guess is sound.

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    [QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;3428665]Pharoah ordered the death of all Hebrew male children.
    In retribution Gd placed a plague on some of the Egyptian kiddies.
    The # of either is not stated specifically.
    Next time you summon him, just ask Old Scratch if your guess is sound.[/QUOTE]

    Oohhh…wait a minute! Now that I think about it…. there was that incident with Abraham and Issaac…..talk about playing head games! God gives Abraham this kid he’s wanted all his life and THEN he tells Abraham to take the kid out to a rock and make a sacrifice of him! So poor, gullible Abraham, an obedient lamb, takes his terrified child out to where God sent him, and just as old Abe raises the knife, God says, “JUST kidding! Now go find a goat and slit its throat and we’ll call it even.”
    Last edited by PlumberKhan; 01-01-2010 at 09:29 AM.

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    [QUOTE=Equilibrium;3428425]Without turning this into a political thread, I would only venture to say that Castro and the 26 of July Movement was not the only revolutionary movement on the island, it was, for a long time, not even the most predominant one. Nor was it an avowedly socialist one.

    By the time Batista fled the country, the primary movements, the urban insurgencies' leadership had been decapitated and Batista had lost the support of the middle class and wealthy about two years before. Batista had long been conscious of the need to maintain such political support. Fidel Castro had survived his arrest and trial for his failed assault on the Moncada Army Base in the early '50's because of the influence of his wealthy father and his politically influential in-laws- the grandparents of US Representative Diaz Balart of Florida. His sentence was commuted from death to eventual exile to Mexico.

    Castro learned this lesson well; when he came to power, he eliminated the anti-socialists and moderates from his 26 of July movement through imprisonment, forced exile or, in certain cases, execution while proclaiming that his revolution was not red as communist, but green as he island and based on democratic principles. Under the guise of claiming that Batista's fall had led to the collapse of the Cuban government, he obtained total control of the state and its institutions under "state of emergency" with the promise of free elections in 1960-1. Secretly, he obtained Soviet support to obtain the political support and weapons to defend his regime from internal and external challengers. The US was aware of this and planned the Bay of Pigs; its execution gave Castro the pretext to postpone the elections indefinitely under the claim of perpetual state of emergency for the next 50 years.

    A good analogy to would be to observe what Hugo Chavez in Venezuela has been attempting to do for the last eight years. He has been trying to create a pretext to proclaim perpetual rule, but the Venezuelan people would not support such a blatant proclamation (according to polls overwhelmingly conscious of the Cuban example- even among his supporters), thus, he has used elections and referendums to legitimize his rule, but will only call referendums when he is confident of his prospects and will seek to manipulate voters and marginalize the opposition in election years.

    With him trying to provoke a crisis with Colombia and the US in a time when Venezuela's economy is near collapse, he knows this is likely his last opportunity to achieve his goal. in short, he trying to utilize similar methods used by Castro, but drawn over a longer period of time to avoid provoking a reaction.[/QUOTE]

    Decent post - what is little known about the Cuban Revolution is that Castro and his pals had a hell of a lot of luck, especially in the early stages - but once they got going, the whole thing was like a gigantic inevitable wave. Batista was extremely unpopular with his own people, but as you say, once Castro and co. had made power they didn't really know how to govern, except by extreme force. What is also little known is that Castro could have easily chosen to ally himself with the United States instead of the Soviet Union - by the time he had succeeded in overthrowing Batista he was not fixed on either of the Super Powers. The fact he chose the Soviets is the reason why Cuba is now in such a parlous economic state.

    It is interesting to note that Marxian philosophy predicted that socialism would come to the most advanced capitalist nation on Earth first. The fact it came first to what was effectively a medieval backwater in Tzarist Russia, rather than the United States showed there was something intrinsically wrong with the way Marx viewed the world. The fact that just about every communist 'revolution' thereafter involved a Lenin-style coup with lots of blood letting would have made Marx roll in his grave. All those lives lost in his name - no different in Cuba as anywhere else where there has been a Marxist revolution.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;3428716]Oohhh…wait a minute! Now that I think about it…. there was that incident with Abraham and Issaac…..talk about playing head games! God gives Abraham this kid he’s wanted all his life and THEN he tells Abraham to take the kid out to a rock and make a sacrifice of him! So poor, gullible Abraham, an obedient lamb, takes his terrified child out to where God sent him, and just as old Abe raises the knife, God says, “JUST kidding! Now go find a goat and slit its throat and we’ll call it even.”[/QUOTE]




    Oh God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
    Abe says, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
    God say, "No." Abe say, "What?"
    God say, "You can do what you want Abe, but
    The next time you see me comin' you better run"
    Well Abe says, "Where do you want this killin' done?"
    God says, "Out on Highway 61."

    - Dylan

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