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Thread: Great Read: Mangini's Jets D vs Ryan's (plus Sanchez stuff) *merged*

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    Great Read: Mangini's Jets D vs Ryan's (plus Sanchez stuff) *merged*

    [url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/kerry_byrne/01/05/ryan/index.html?eref=sihp[/url]

    Let's just say it, because we know you're all thinking it: Jets coach Rex Ryan is one odd duck.

    He predicted a Super Bowl victory about 10 minutes after he took the gig. He declared his club's season over when it wasn't. He comes from the Dick Vermeil school of unapologetically weeping in public. He called his hot-dog-munching rookie quarterback a knucklehead, like they were two-thirds of a comedy trio. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk! His press conferences drift with varying degrees of success into stand-up routines.

    Rex Ryan even comes from a long line of odd ducks. His twin brother, Rob, is a rare species of mullet-haired odd duck And his old man, Buddy Ryan, was an odd duck long before it became trendy.

    Buddy issued bounties for the heads of opposing players, battled with his bosses, ran up the score on his rivals whenever possible and, in his serene golden years, tried to punch out one of his fellow assistants on national television.

    Oh, Buddy also went to Super Bowls as a defensive assistant with three teams (1968 Jets, 1976 Vikings and 1985 Bears) and created perhaps the most intimidating defensive force in modern NFL annals. A quarter-century later, the phrase "1985 Bears" still rings with an air of howling, bone-chilling defensive ferocity that causes Hall of Famer John Hannah to curl into the fetal position and cry for his mama.

    Like his odd duck old man, Rex has delivered the goods. He promised Jets fans an ass-kicking defense. And, in his first year with the team, he's delivered an ass-kicking defense.

    Oh, sure, the Jets are a borderline playoff team at 9-7. And, yes, they backed into the playoffs, like a little-old lady who unknowingly shifted the car into reverse at a red light. Hey, look, we're in somebody's front porch!

    But we fault no team or no man for taking advantage of the opportunities presented to them. The Jets simply took advantage of these opportunities, and they did it almost exclusively on the strength of Rex Ryan's defense. That unit is almost singularly responsible for lifting a team with a dysfunctional rookie quarterback and an odd duck rookie head coach into the playoffs.

    Here's a look at how the Jets stacked up in several key defensive indicators last year under Eric Mangini and this year under the Odd Duck (a more complete side-by-side comparison of the two defenses is found here):

    The 2008 Jets ranked 22nd in Defensive Passer Rating (88.1). The 2009 Jets are No. 1 (58.8). That's a stunning improvement of nearly 30 points in this critical indicator of defensive success. That's borderline unprecedented.

    The 2008 Jets ranked 23rd in touchdown passes allowed (23). The 2009 Jets are No. 1 (8). In other words, the Jets were torched for three touchdowns passes every two games last year. This year? Just one TD pass every two games.

    The 2008 Jets ranked 16th in total defense (329.4 YPG). The 2009 Jets are No. 1 (252.3). If Chris Farley were interviewing Rex Ryan right now, he'd drool breathlessly, "That ... was ... awesome!"

    The 2008 Jets ranked 18th in scoring defense (22.2 PPG). The 2009 Jets are No. 1 (14.8 PG). We're not math majors, but that looks like a decline of 33 percent in scoring against the Jets this year. Not impressed? Just remember the acidic bile that ate away at your stomach lining when your retirement fund lost 33 percent in the fall and winter of 2008-09.

    The 2008 Jets ranked 13th in points allowed vs. Quality Opponents (22.7). The 2009 Jets are No. 1 in points allowed vs. Quality Opponents (13.7). In other words, the Odd Duck's defense has improved even more dramatically against good teams than it has against your ordinary, average, run-of-the-mill teams.

    The 2008 Jets ranked 29th in pass defense (234.9 YPG). The 2009 Jets are No. 1 (153.7). Yup, another big turnaround. It's like two different teams out there. And, yes, the NFL's shutdown cornerback du jour, Darrelle Revis, started all 16 games for both teams.

    The 2008 Jets ranked 18th in passing yards per attempt allowed (7.0 YPA). The 2009 Jets are No. 1 (5.4 YPA). Wow, 5.4 YPA passing the ball against the Jets. There were a handful of players this year who averaged more than 5.4 YPA running the ball: Jamaal Charles (5.9 YPA), Felix Jones (5.9) and Chris Johnson (5.6), to name three notables from the 2009 season.

    The 2008 Jets ranked 15th in third-down defense (61.4%) The 2009 Jets are No. 1 (68.5%). Call us brilliant, but forcing opponents to punt sure seems like one good way to keep them out of the end zone.

    We don't care how odd your coach is, that's called delivering the goods.


    [B]The Sanchize Issue[/B]

    The most impressive aspect of New York's run to the playoffs is that the team had to overcome one of the most incompetent passing attacks in football to get there -- their own.

    Loyal Cold, Hard Football Facts readers know that passing the ball well on offense and stopping the pass on defense are the magic yin & yang that lead to success in the NFL.

    Yet the Jets this year failed miserably in one end of the equation. Like most rookies throughout history, Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez has made one mistake after another and found NFL defenses tougher to decipher than the Enigma code. New York ranks near the bottom of the NFL in most key passing indicators:

    21st in Passing Yards Per Attempt (5.64)

    28th in interceptions (21)

    28th in Offensive Passer Rating (62.2)

    29th in touchdown passes (12)

    30th in interception percentage (5.34) -- interestingly, teams with rookie QBs rounded out the bottom three in INT percentage: Tampa, Detroit, N.Y. Jets

    Those numbers typically add up to a long, lousy season, as they did for all the other teams with equally inept passing games this year: the Rams, Raiders, Buccaneers, Lions and Browns. The Jets are easily the worst passing team in the playoffs.

    Sure, pigskin pundits tied to tired old theories of success in football are raving about New York's top-ranked rushing attack (172.2). But as CHFF readers know, a top-ranked rushing attack and $10 will get you five chalupas on the Taco Bell Diet and not much else.

    Great running teams rarely go far in the NFL, while great passing teams typically win Super Bowls. Besides the Jets this year, the great running teams are the Titans (with 2,000-yard rusher Chris Johnson), the Panthers (with the first tandem of 1,100-yard backs in NFL history) and the Dolphins (with the trend-setting "wildcat" offense).

    None of those teams have great a quarterback or a great defense. So none of those teams are in the playoffs, despite their great rushing attacks.

    The reputed great running teams that have gone far in NFL history, meanwhile, were almost always accompanied by incredibly effective passing attacks led by Hall of Fame quarterbacks -- the 1960s Packers, the 1970s Steelers, the 1990s Cowboys and 1990s Broncos some notable examples. So great running teams with great defenses rarely do much without a great quarterback. The 2009 Jets are a rare exception.

    In fact, only two teams since the merger that led the league in rushing yards have gone on to win a Super Bowl. The first was the undefeated 1972 Dolphins, who led the league in everything, including scoring defense. The last was the mighty 1985 Bears, whose top-ranked defense was masterminded by, that's right, Buddy Ryan -- the odd duck of an old man.

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    Great stuff

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    LOVE THE ODD DUCK

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    Great stuff! Thanks for posting.

    The distinction is amazing.

    The Jets finally have a HC who is exceptional at something. I don't know how good Rex is as a HC, but he is a defensive genius like Bill Belichick, the late Jim Johnson, and Dick Lebeau.

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    pretty amazing stuff


    except for Scott, Leonhard and Douglas and without Jenkins for most of the season.... for the most part, Rex accomplished this turnaround with the same "bums" that Mangini had when they turned Seneca Wallace, Jay Cutler and Shaun Hill into HOF candidates last December

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    [QUOTE=sg3;3436236]pretty amazing stuff


    except for Scott, Leonhard and Douglas and without Jenkins for most of the season.... for the most part, Rex accomplished this turnaround with the same "bums" that Mangini had when they turned Seneca Wallace, Jay Cutler and Shaun Hill into HOF candidates last December[/QUOTE]

    Mangini knew what good D talent looked like, he just didn't have the tools yet to put it to work. For that, I thank him for all of the great talent we do have.

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    Good read...I still say that Sanchez is not as bad as his numbers indicate (which I guess would also make the defense not as good as its numbers indicate) but I do think Rex is one of the best hires this franchise has ever made. :yes:

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    Great article (especially the defensive comparisons) but is it a surprise that you need a good passing attack to do well in the playoffs? You're facing better defenses in the postseason, they can lock down one dimension (e.g. rushing) if they have to. So, you need to be balanced and have to be able to pass the ball.

    As Sanchez goes so go our playoff chances. Go figure!

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    [QUOTE=jetstream23;3436259]Great article (especially the defensive comparisons) but is it a surprise that you need a good passing attack to do well in the playoffs? You're facing better defenses in the postseason, they can lock down one dimension (e.g. rushing) if they have to. So, you need to be balanced and have to be able to pass the ball.

    As Sanchez goes so go our playoff chances. Go figure![/QUOTE]




    I prefer your larger font sig

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    Didn't the 2000 ravens do that to?

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    Nice find, DH.

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    The most amazing thing is about our defense is that we really are still unable to get pressure on the QB without blitzing. Despite that, we still are able to cover the receivers we need to cover (for the most part). Unfortunately, any breakdown we have is usually at the end of the 4th Qtr when, for some inexplicable reason, the QB starts finding the open read (Garrard - his TE, Ryan - his RB out of the backfield).

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    Quack Quack!!

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    Good read. Mangini and Tanny did a good job assembling talent but unfortunately Mangini's system just didn't work. I'm dying to see how Ryan and Pettine will improve the defense over the offseason and draft.

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    [QUOTE=BleedGreen314;3436216]Great stuff[/QUOTE]

    First 4 paragraphs... AH CRAP, another Rex bashing blowhard "journelist".

    Rest of the article... INSANE TURNAROUND!

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    here come the duck avatars...:D

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    [QUOTE=sg3;3436263]I prefer your larger font sig[/QUOTE]

    :huh:

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    In our case I think the good rushing attack with the lack of a good passing game goes hand in hand with our great defense stacking up impressive statistics.

    Our conservative game plans have led to long drives on the part of our offense and has us winning the time of posession battle nearly every week. Our offense holding on to the ball so long keeps the defense off the field and helps keep the opposing offenses out of rhythm.

    During Manini's tenure we were horrible in time of posession but of course a lot of that had to do with his defenses not being very good on 3rd down.

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    Here's the original source...

    They don't use the term Odd Duck

    [url]http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=3072[/url]

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    It's pretty simple:

    Now, that we're 'IN' the playoffs, it's 'TIME' for Sanchez to step his 'game' up to the next level, I 'THINK' we've seen flashes of this the last couple of games. I'm not going to anoint him as 'THERE'......yet.

    We have guys (Pace and Edwards) to name a few, who are *NEW* to the playoffs, Bart Scott has been, what, this is his 4th go 'round? The 'Leaders' on this team need to stress how important it is to take advantage of our good fortune, and MAKE SOME NOISE all the way to 00:00 :yes:

    My favorite quote from THIS article:

    Oh, sure, the Jets are a borderline playoff team at 9-7. And, yes, they backed into the playoffs, like a little-old lady who unknowingly shifted the car into reverse at a red light. Hey, look, we're in somebody's front porch!

    :D

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