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Thread: How to attack Peyton Manning?

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    How to attack Peyton Manning?

    Peyton Manning might be the greatest quarterback to ever strap on a helmet, however, like all QBs, he isn't without his weaknesses.

    He has two flaws that the Jets need to attack. 1) He doesn't have the strongest arm in the world and he can't move around outside the pocket.

    He has plenty of arm to make all the throws, but he relies on precision, touch, and accuracy more than pure arm strength and can't lazer balls in between defenders like, say, a Brett Favre. In order to take advantage of the fact that he cannot lazer balls into tight spots, the Jets need to flood the field with defenders and force Peyton to try to squeeze the ball into a tight area, with the goal being that he turns the balls over.

    How to do that? Easy, drop 9 or 10 people into coverage. Peyton, like all QBs, has an internal clock. He can't move outside the pocket and will throw the ball before his internal clock hits five or six seconds. He's not going to scramble around the back field looking for someone to get open becuase, simply put, he's doesn't move well enough.

    On top of that, the Jets can drop eight people into coverage, and overload Peyton's back-side by only rushing three. Blitzing Peyton won't work. They need to have as many people in coverage and find creative ways to make it seem like there are a lot of people coming, even though they're only sending 3-4 people, at most.

    This strategy, when employed by the Ravens last week, forced Peyton into an interception courtesy of Ed Reed. This strategy basically ruined Chad Pennington's career. I'm not comparing Chad to Peyton, simply pointing out that it really creates NIGHTMARES on QB's who aren't blessed with GREAT arms and mobility.

    JMO.

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    Dude, I don't think that's what we want to do at all. Peyton has uncanny accuracy and the last thing you want him to do is have all day to throw the ball. He'll beat you all day. CBs can't cover WRs that long, they would break off their route and he'd make us pay big time.

    The way to beat Manning IMO is to get strong pressure up the middle of the pocket, although easier said than done because of Saturday being a great Center. He's too quick with the ball to rush him from the outside. Revis is going to be the biggest reason why we get pressure on Manning, because he's going to be all over Wayne. Make no mistake, Peyton will find his other receivers. This is going to be all about confusing him with the coverages.

    There was a very good article about Peyton Manning vs Rex Ryan. Supposedly Peyton studies so much that he knows and has pretty much seen it all. Belichick confused the hell out of him one time just by switching the CB and Safety, which had Manning frustrated all day because he wasn't prepared for it and thus didn't know what to do. To me that seems like a guy that's book smart but not street smart. A genius with no common sense. Brett Favre would be the opposite of this. Both geniuses at the game, one studies like crazy and the other is just a gamer that improvises better than any QB to play the game.

    The way we beat Manning is gonna be to show him looks he's not prepared for. I believe Rex will throw the kitchen sink at him. There will be nothing left in our arsenal after this game, you can bank on that. Although Rex has said that they've held back on a lot of stuff because the defense wasn't ready for it. So maybe now they are ready which would be great because it would be plays that no body has seen yet which bodes well for us.

    Long story short, the best way to beat a QB will always be to get pressure on him. Make them uncomfortable, hit them often, keep them out of a rhythm. That will force turnovers and incompletions and a stalled offense. 3rd and long is the key for us, once we get a team in 3rd and long our defense is sickening.
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    [QUOTE=Jack Straw;3470300][B]He doesn't have the strongest arm in the world[/B] [/QUOTE]

    Exsqueeze me? Baking powder?

    Are we talking about the same guy who's the QB of the Colts?

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    [QUOTE=John_0515;3470313]Exsqueeze me? Baking powder?

    Are we talking about the same guy who's the QB of the Colts?[/QUOTE]

    His arm isn't elite. Like I said, he can make all the throws, but it's not a rocket.

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    With a big knife

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    Three man rush and dropping 8 into coverage against a lot of QB's in this league = disaster. If the Jets did that against Manning all game Indy would score 40 points in my opinion. The mediocre QB's have an internal clock and get rid of the ball even before they have to. The great QB's have an internal clock but also have pocket presence to hold onto the ball until someone comes open if there is no imminent threat.

    In my opinion you have to pressure him but more importantly do not let his favs get a clean release from the line, bump Collie, and his fav TE right off the line all game. Let Revis do what he wants with Wayne. Mess up his timing on the shorter to medium routes and get him to the ground a few times.

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    I agree to an extent with the original post. I think there should be a good mix of just rushing 3 and dropping 8 into coverage. If Revis is able to consistently handle Wayne 1 on 1, that leaves 7 to cover the other 4 receivers, should be difficult for anyone to get open. Also could present some opprtunities for interceptions, as Manning tries to fit the ball into tight windows, and it's worth noting that Manning has thrown a lot of picks - 16 in the regular season, 1 last week.

    Rushing only 3 is more effective if it's mixed in with some blitzes, and we're able to disguise what we do. Would be great to have Colts thinking we're sending 6 or 7 and keep TEs and backs in to block, and then just rush 3.

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    one of us needs to smuggle in a deer rifle into Indy and take out Dallas Clark

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    Dropping so many back would be suicide. He would just stand there and pick us apart.

    As already said, the two most important things with Manning are a) confuse him presnap and b) make him uncomfortable in the pocket. The Jets usually like to overload one side for their blitzes but I expect Harris and Scott to run a lot of blitzes up the middle early and attack from more different angles.

    I'm really looking forward to what adjustments Rex will make. He basically suprised anybody against the Chargers when he played less man early on and had Revis all over the place except for putting him on Vincent Jackson exclusively. Who knows, he might double Wayne with others and have Revis somewhere else from time to time. These little things will make Peyton think a little bit and they will have him uncomfortable.

    A huge key is for our pass rushers to generate a pass rush even if we don't blitz. DeVito did a GREAT JOB with that last week and was one of the biggest reason we won the game. He was just pushing his guy into Rivers' face and that will make any QB move or get rid of the ball earlier than he wants.

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    [QUOTE=Jack Straw;3470300]Peyton Manning might be the greatest quarterback to ever strap on a helmet, however, like all QBs, he isn't without his weaknesses.

    He has two flaws that the Jets need to attack. 1) He doesn't have the strongest arm in the world and he can't move around outside the pocket.

    He has plenty of arm to make all the throws, but he relies on precision, touch, and accuracy more than pure arm strength and can't lazer balls in between defenders like, say, a Brett Favre. In order to take advantage of the fact that he cannot lazer balls into tight spots, the Jets need to flood the field with defenders and force Peyton to try to squeeze the ball into a tight area, with the goal being that he turns the balls over.

    How to do that? Easy, drop 9 or 10 people into coverage. Peyton, like all QBs, has an internal clock. He can't move outside the pocket and will throw the ball before his internal clock hits five or six seconds. He's not going to scramble around the back field looking for someone to get open becuase, simply put, he's doesn't move well enough.

    On top of that, the Jets can drop eight people into coverage, and overload Peyton's back-side by only rushing three. Blitzing Peyton won't work. They need to have as many people in coverage and find creative ways to make it seem like there are a lot of people coming, even though they're only sending 3-4 people, at most.

    This strategy, when employed by the Ravens last week, forced Peyton into an interception courtesy of Ed Reed. This strategy basically ruined Chad Pennington's career. I'm not comparing Chad to Peyton, simply pointing out that it really creates NIGHTMARES on QB's who aren't blessed with GREAT arms and mobility.

    JMO.[/QUOTE]

    Disagree.
    We need to bring the pressure from the center of the line and force him out of the pocket. He has a great arm but could not run out of site in a day.

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    [QUOTE=TKasper01;3470413]Disagree.
    We need to bring the pressure from the center of the line and force him out of the pocket. He has a great arm but could not run out of site in a day.[/QUOTE]

    I honestly believe that his release is just too quick for this to be effective. Peyton has been sacked 10 times all year. He'll eat us on with short slants and have a field day with us if we bring 5-6 defenders at him.

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    You have to Pressure MANNING so he gets his "happy feet" and than when he throws the interception or incompletion he has that expression of WTF pouty little boy face saying you were supposed to go this way while he moves his arms in the air motioning how he wanted it.

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    The key is to pressure Manning with a 4-5 man rush. Obviously, this is easier said than done, but you can't just drop into coverage and give him time to pick apart a defense.

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    [QUOTE=njherdfan;3470444]The key is to pressure Manning with a 4-5 man rush. Obviously, this is easier said than done, but you can't just drop into coverage and give him time to pick apart a defense.[/QUOTE]

    The most offensive players that can be sent out on any play are FIVE.

    What about rushing one and double teaming EVERY ONE of their players? Do you really think Peyton is that good to beat that? Threat would be that he might take off and run, but as we know, the guy is a complete statue.

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    the best shot we had against payton was the media doing a tiger woods-like expose on the manning brothers this week. i am actually half-shocked that this didn't happen and disappointed with the power of the web. i thought that there's a rumor about the manning brothers and a high end escort service in conjunction with an event in NYC (even Archie was placed on the scene).

    we have 48 hrs for this to happen..... or just rush him up the middle on sunday.

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    [QUOTE=TKasper01;3470413]Disagree.
    We need to bring the pressure from the center of the line and force him out of the pocket. He has a great arm but could not run out of site in a day.[/QUOTE]

    The OP was right, he does not have a great arm.

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    [QUOTE=Jack Straw;3470448]The most offensive players that can be sent out on any play are FIVE.

    What about rushing one and double teaming EVERY ONE of their players? Do you really think Peyton is that good to beat that? Threat would be that he might take off and run, but as we know, the guy is a complete statue.[/QUOTE]
    There is a 77% chance you are probably Eric Mangini because that is what he would do.

    Our game all year is attack, Rivers had like 104 rating vs the blitz and he couldn't do it vs this defense. Most defenses can't cover when the blitz is picked up. But our defense can, we will blitz and Manning will have to make tight throws to beat us.

    BTW, the Colts didn't make the big plays the first game (Wayne was open for a TD, bad throw, and Clark dropped a tough catch on the sidelines vs Smith for a big gain.)

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    [QUOTE=Al B Sure;3470333]With a big knife[/QUOTE]

    How about a stick with a rusty nail in the end?


    Poll coming...?

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    I understand the concept but as Rex says, hitting a QB is just as effective as a turnover. What we need is for Peyton to taste blood, even if we give up some receptions.

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    [QUOTE]BTW, the Colts didn't make the big plays the first game (Wayne was open for a TD, bad throw, and Clark dropped a tough catch on the sidelines vs Smith for a big gain.) [/QUOTE]

    Peyton Manning missed two TDs by two inches, and it had nothing to do with pressure. He won't miss again.

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