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    [QUOTE=JetsMakeMeCry;3528749]all op's points are valid. all these guys have both positives and negatives. we did not acquire any sure fire, can't miss free agents. sometimes you have to roll the dice if you want to get better.[/QUOTE]

    Did the Redskins acquire a surefire FA in Haynesworth?

    Did the Pats acquire a surefire FA in Burgess?

    But we've hit on FA signings left and right. We have more reason to trust our FO than any other team in the league at the moment.

    Gholston aside, recently you can't even utter a negative thing about them.

    Even bringing up Pete Kendall is flawed. It led to the best OL in football. Peace out Pete.

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    [QUOTE=Buzzsaw;3528762]I'll accept risky moves over not making any at all, like the Pats. Their only new acquisition this offseason has been a player right off the Jet's scrap heap, Marques Murrell. WTF are they doing in Foxboro?[/QUOTE]

    They are waiting for their 15 player draft haul.

    Of course only 2 will make the team, but at least they got value and a 1st rounder for next year out of it!

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    if the patriots had acquired cromartie, everyone would be saying what a great move it was for the patriots.

    if the patriots had unloaded an overrated, overpaid, malcontented safety for draft picks, everyone would be saying how smart the pats are with their finances.

    if the patriots acquired a veteran running back to rotate carries with other rbs (sound familiar), everyone would be saying what a great move it was for the patriots.

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    [QUOTE=Buzzsaw;3528762]I'll accept risky moves over not making any at all, like the Pats. Their only new acquisition this offseason has been a player right off the Jet's scrap heap, Marques Murrell. WTF are they doing in Foxboro?[/QUOTE]

    well sometimes the best move is a non-move. The Pats did try and land Boldin and Peppers but had a limit to their chase. Re-signing Wilfork was key, Bodden too but they are very slim @ TE (I smell a trade for Olsen, which would be a mistake I think.) The Pats need someone like Jermaine Wiggins so maybe Crumpler as a stopgap? There's no denying the team needs to make moves to shore up that defense and the pats seem confident enough in welker's replacement.

    But there's no denying the Jets have been aggressive yet again in the off-season; that's the key and why calling the jets the new 'redskins' is kinda short-sighted. The Jets trade more often than most teams it would seem constantly recyling their roster by any means. The Jets got lucky in a sense that allot of young players have become indispensible at their position and that provides a spectacular foundation to touch up the other positions via other means. They are now being noticed for their sudden burst onto the scene but if you look closely it wasn't that sudden at all but a continous improvement effort ever since Mike Tannabaum took over as GM. He makes moves that he feels are what's best for his team and seems to be a very ardent at sealing deals, stark contrast to Bradway who couldn't seem to understand value or see the connections.

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    [QUOTE=patsfanken;3528222]1. Antonio Cromartie - On the surface this looks like a huge upgrade. Who wouldn't love to have one of the rarest commodities in the NFL, a tall CB with big play skills. However what Jet fans have NOT considered is the lack of PRODUCTION that comes with that pretty package.

    Even in his one "productive" year, a closer examination finds that 8 of the 10 picks he made came against 4 QBs who were never starters again or are now out of the league. And in every year since that time his game has regressed to the point where last season the 2 most telling stat he had were his 30 tackles and 10 passes defended.

    Like I said, a tall athletically talented CB is one of the rarest commodities in the NFL, why then would SD give up such a gem, especially to the team that knocked it out of the playoffs last season.

    Does the phrase looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane sound familiar. It was a phrase often used unfairly by disgruntled Pats fans to describe Ben Watson, who in reality was a decent all round TE, just not a great one. He also had the misfortune to be the 32nd pick his year, and thus labelled a first rounder. Had be been the 33nd pick, and a "2nd rounder" expectations would have been lower (go figure). But the point is that Watson had all the physical tools you could ask for in a TE, speed, size, and willingness, yet for some reason, he couldn't put it together to get to the "next' level. (plus the Pats offense since 2007, doesn't seem to value the TE as a receiver like some)

    But "expectations" is what this post is all about. Its also about the gap between "image and reality", and physical skill vs football production. The facts are that Cromartie IS NOT the potential shut down CB that "some" Jet fans are predicting. He IS NOT going to suddenly make the Jet secondary invincible, and IMHO there even the question if he is even going to be an upgrade on the late and UNlamented Lito Shepard.who missed several games to injury and STILL had very similar stats. (28 tackles and 9 passes defended)[/quote]

    Reasons it could work

    - San Diego played primarily zone defense the last 2 years, something that Cromartie was openly critical about. His predecessor at DC, Wade Phillips, ran a more man-based scheme, and Ted Cottrell kept that scheme alive once he came to town. The "decline" only seems to be during the Ron Rivera regime, when he was asked to play more zone coverage (It should be noted that all of his 2008 Interceptions came pre-Cottrell was fired). Thus, one could logically conclude that if you put him in a more man-based scheme, that there's a good chance the results will be better. And Rex loves man coverage out of his CB's.

    - San Diego has struggled in the pass rush department over the last 2 years (Or well, since the decline of Merriman). He was asked to cover opposing players for far too long. Something that won't happen in New York with the way Rex Ryan blitzes

    - He's not being asked to be a #1 here, he's being asked to be a #2. Big difference when you're facing the #2 WR's instead of the #1 WR's

    I think most of his on-field struggles can be accounted for by being a square-peg, round-hole fix in Ron Rivera's system, and the lack of a pass rush forcing him to cover opposing players for too long.

    [quote]2. Brodney Pool - I don't know much about Poole, except for the poster who used some site's stats that claimed that he was the 6th best S in the league. I have to admit that this was pretty impressive, until I noticed that the SECOND best S in the league (at least according to this site) was the late and equally unlamented Kerry Rhodes. :rolleyes:

    So how is this an upgrade????? I don't think you can have it both ways. Either Poole is the 6th best S in the league and the Jets released the 2nd best, or that site's ratings are worthless. And the only way to rationalize it as an upgrade is to SPECULATE that in a different defensive system, Poole will somehow elevate his game beyond what Phodes gave you.

    In reality it was just a mid level pick up of an NFL quality player who was deemed expendable by his former team. You filled position of need with a body, but it can hardly be called an upgrade[/quote]

    I agree, it's not an upgrade. What it is, is a warm body with some upside should he be able to stay healthy (Which is a big if for someone with 4 concussions under his belt). I don't think for a minute the Jets are done with the S position though. I expect it to be further addressed in the draft.

    [quote]3. LT - Congrats, you just picked up a future HOFer, and you will have the opportunity to see (though very rarely) why he will be inducted in Canton Ohio. Consider your experience similar to that of Cardinal fans who saw the rare examples of brilliance that Emmit Smith flashed in his 2 years of relative unproductive play with the Birds before he finally gave it up.

    The stats, the history, and what you can see with your own eyes, tell you that LT is a FORMERLY great RB, but someone who just has nothing left. He is not going to surplant Green as your main running back, he will merely take away snaps from him AND Leon Washington (IF he remains and IF he is healthy). Two RBs who are far more dangerous than LT.

    In fact when you look at the Jets RB situation, I would find it far from comforting. You are all counting on Green to be your main running threat, yet wasn't he hurt THREE different times during the course of his rookie season, and wasn't his injury history one of the reason's he slipped in the draft. That can hardly be comforting despite his obvious running talents.

    And when you add the fact that your 2 back ups are the washed up LT and the damaged Leon. That's HARDLY a good situation for a team is a run first NFL offense. And an impossible situation, especially given that your team was 2-8 in games where your QB was forced to throw the ball over 22 times.[/QUOTE]

    - Emmitt Smith was 34 years old when he went to Arizona, LT will be 31 years old next season......or younger then Thomas Jones, who we just got rid of. Apples and Oranges.

    When Emmitt Smith was 31 years old, he ran for over 1,200 yards, btw.

    As did Thomas Jones.

    - You also discount the Offensive Line situation. Tomlinson was asked to run behind a certainty below-average, if not awful, Run Blocking Offensive Line last year. Darren Sproles only ran for a 3.7 YPA himself, and he's certainty not washed up. I believe his decline has been greatly exaggerated because of such. You put him behind an Offensive Line with 4 Former 1st Round Picks, and a FB like a Tony Richardson, and the results will be much better. Thomas Jones looked washed up after 2007 when he ran for a 3.6 YPA, we improve the run blocking and all of a sudden he looks like he has so much to offer again. The reality is we made him look good because we had great blocking, and we can do the same for L.T.

    The difference between the two is that Tomlinson is still an explosive weapon out of the backfield when he's given the chance to run routes, like he will be in NY.

    - Greene fell in the draft because he was academically ineligible his Junior Year, so he only really had 1 year of production to go off of, and his 40 time was less then ideal. In that one year though, he had 300+ carries, and ran over 100+ yards in EVERY SINGLE GAME. So he seems to have handled the load just fine previously.

    - As for Sanchez, he was a rookie last season. He'll continue to develop and hopefully we won't need to run the ball 600 times next season.
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    [QUOTE=patsfanken;3528222]I post this to offer an alternative....and not so rosy.... picture of the acquisitions that that Jets have made thus far in this off season. Much has been said, and by and large the Jets FO has been praised for their aggressive actions to improve a team that was one game away from the superbowl.

    Let me state up front that I agree that Jet fans have every right to be thrilled with last year's team. They have every right to be optimistic, or even wildly optimistic about the upcoming year. The Jets SHOULD BE considered the frontrunner in the AFCE coming into the 2010 season.

    That being said, lets look at the 3 most significant acquisitions and losses that the Jets have made this off season....SO FAR (because I believe that what rosters look like today, and what they will look like in late Aug, can change dramatically)

    1. Antonio Cromartie - On the surface this looks like a huge upgrade. Who wouldn't love to have one of the rarest commodities in the NFL, a tall CB with big play skills. However what Jet fans have NOT considered is the lack of PRODUCTION that comes with that pretty package.

    Even in his one "productive" year, a closer examination finds that 8 of the 10 picks he made came against 4 QBs who were never starters again or are now out of the league. And in every year since that time his game has regressed to the point where last season the 2 most telling stat he had were his 30 tackles and 10 passes defended.

    Like I said, a tall athletically talented CB is one of the rarest commodities in the NFL, why then would SD give up such a gem, especially to the team that knocked it out of the playoffs last season.

    Does the phrase looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane sound familiar. It was a phrase often used unfairly by disgruntled Pats fans to describe Ben Watson, who in reality was a decent all round TE, just not a great one. He also had the misfortune to be the 32nd pick his year, and thus labelled a first rounder. Had be been the 33nd pick, and a "2nd rounder" expectations would have been lower (go figure). But the point is that Watson had all the physical tools you could ask for in a TE, speed, size, and willingness, yet for some reason, he couldn't put it together to get to the "next' level. (plus the Pats offense since 2007, doesn't seem to value the TE as a receiver like some)

    But "expectations" is what this post is all about. Its also about the gap between "image and reality", and physical skill vs football production. The facts are that Cromartie IS NOT the potential shut down CB that "some" Jet fans are predicting. He IS NOT going to suddenly make the Jet secondary invincible, and IMHO there even the question if he is even going to be an upgrade on the late and UNlamented Lito Shepard.who missed several games to injury and STILL had very similar stats. (28 tackles and 9 passes defended)

    2. Brodney Pool - I don't know much about Poole, except for the poster who used some site's stats that claimed that he was the 6th best S in the league. I have to admit that this was pretty impressive, until I noticed that the SECOND best S in the league (at least according to this site) was the late and equally unlamented Kerry Rhodes. :rolleyes:

    So how is this an upgrade????? I don't think you can have it both ways. Either Poole is the 6th best S in the league and the Jets released the 2nd best, or that site's ratings are worthless. And the only way to rationalize it as an upgrade is to SPECULATE that in a different defensive system, Poole will somehow elevate his game beyond what Phodes gave you.

    In reality it was just a mid level pick up of an NFL quality player who was deemed expendable by his former team. You filled position of need with a body, but it can hardly be called an upgrade

    3. LT - Congrats, you just picked up a future HOFer, and you will have the opportunity to see (though very rarely) why he will be inducted in Canton Ohio. Consider your experience similar to that of Cardinal fans who saw the rare examples of brilliance that Emmit Smith flashed in his 2 years of relative unproductive play with the Birds before he finally gave it up.

    The stats, the history, and what you can see with your own eyes, tell you that LT is a FORMERLY great RB, but someone who just has nothing left. He is not going to surplant Green as your main running back, he will merely take away snaps from him AND Leon Washington (IF he remains and IF he is healthy). Two RBs who are far more dangerous than LT.

    In fact when you look at the Jets RB situation, I would find it far from comforting. You are all counting on Green to be your main running threat, yet wasn't he hurt THREE different times during the course of his rookie season, and wasn't his injury history one of the reason's he slipped in the draft. That can hardly be comforting despite his obvious running talents.

    And when you add the fact that your 2 back ups are the washed up LT and the damaged Leon. That's HARDLY a good situation for a team is a run first NFL offense. And an impossible situation, especially given that your team was 2-8 in games where your QB was forced to throw the ball over 22 times.

    When you respond, please respond to the issues and questions presented. Forget my username and DON'T compare it to the Pats situation. That is NOT what this post is about. Its about the JETS, and THEIR acquisitions and current situation. I'm looking for reasonable responses for the questions I raised about the players the Jets have picked up since FA began. Any comparisons about what the Pats have done vs what the Jets have done should be the subject of separate thread.

    OK now that that is settled......fire away. ;)[/QUOTE]

    Cromartie is a HUGH upgrade over LITTLE LITO, who Welker torched. Now the jets can put Revis on Welker [B]Who are you going to throw to???[/B] and put CRO on Moss..:yes: HELLO!!!

    Pool hits harder then Rhodes! Rhodes doesnt scare anyone at Safety.

    Im not worried about LT bc the Jets have Greene, LW and the DRAFT STILL to find a #3 RB. :D




    :cool:

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    What the OP basically proves is that any player who is available in FA or via trade probably has at least a few question marks on him. Thanks for the newsflash. You could pretty much do this with any FA. Hell, let's look at the players the Jets have acquired over the past couple of years, at the time of their signing.

    Pace - Only had 1 good year, a contract year.
    Jenkins - Lazy and out of shape
    Faneca - Old and washed up
    Woody - See above
    Scott - A product of playing next to Ray Lewis
    Leonhard - JAG white guy, a product of playing next to Ed Reed

    Yet they all worked out somehow. Basically, you can highlight the negatives of any free agent and question the move. If there weren't any they probably would not have been available. Yes there is a good probability any of these guys could bust but the risk is usually worth the reward. And with the Jets the risks seem to have worked out more often than not in recent years.

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    [QUOTE=Revi$_I$l@nd;3528765]Did the Redskins acquire a surefire FA in Haynesworth?

    Did the Pats acquire a surefire FA in Burgess?

    But we've hit on FA signings left and right. We have more reason to trust our FO than any other team in the league at the moment.

    Gholston aside, recently you can't even utter a negative thing about them.

    Even bringing up Pete Kendall is flawed. It led to the best OL in football. Peace out Pete.[/QUOTE]

    Like the idea of the Kendall trade however I think Tannanbaum took a litttle too long to unload him (same with Vilma). Kendall's ass should have been gone before training camp started. They got good value but failed to leave themselves an adequate amt of time to properly refill the position. Good value but a mistake that I believe he learned from in perhaps shipping Rhodes off early.

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    [QUOTE=fullblast;3528786]What the OP basically proves is that any player who is available in FA or via trade probably has at least a few question marks on him. Thanks for the newsflash. You could pretty much do this with any FA. Hell, let's look at the players the Jets have acquired over the past couple of years, at the time of their signing.

    Pace - Only had 1 good year, a contract year.
    Jenkins - Lazy and out of shape
    Faneca - Old and washed up
    Woody - See above
    Scott - A product of playing next to Ray Lewis
    Leonhard - JAG white guy, a product of playing next to Ed Reed

    Yet they all worked out somehow. Basically, you can highlight the negatives of any free agent and question the move. If there weren't any they probably would not have been available. Yes there is a good probability any of these guys could bust but the risk is usually worth the reward. And with the Jets the risks seem to have worked out more often than not in recent years.[/QUOTE]

    brilliant:cool:

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    [QUOTE=OCCH;3528503]Not much to add that hasn't already been said, so I'll focus on the title "Be careful what you wish for" . . .

    [QUOTE]1) All Jet fans knew we needed a better option opposite Revis. I don't know what REALISTIC alternative would have been better than Cromartie.[/QUOTE]

    Actually Leigh Boddin would have been a much better choice....IF the Jet were really aggressive. In that move they would have weakened their main rival and REALLY improved their secondary,

    [QUOTE]You can quote stats all you want, but the fact is he's never played opposite a stud like Revis, and his best year of production came when he was in an attacking style of defense like the Jets employ. He may not be "shutdown", but you'd be hard-pressed to say he's not a legit #1 CB. Will he pan out? Time will tell. But we DEFINITELY got "what we wished for" and don't see how the Jets could have played that one any better.[/QUOTE]

    You aren't being realistic if you believe all of Cromartie's problems came about because he wasn't playing press coverage. First of all EVERY team plays a certain amount of press coverage. Do the Jets play more of it than other teams? I wouldn't be too sure. Its not just about zones vs man to man. Most team have many coverages that are hybrids of both, as well as rotation schemes. You cannot be a good DB in this league being a one dimensional CB....and if Rex JUST plays Cromartie in press coverage, then he'll be on the field only 30% of the plays, AND he will announce the coverage when he steps on the field. We both know that THAT isn't going to happen.

    [QUOTE]2) Will Rhodes be a mistake? Possibly. I don't know too many Jet fans who are HAPPY to see him go, but if the CS doesn't feel he's the "right guy", at least we got an above-average replacement (IF he stays healthy), additional draft picks, and some cap-room for the players we DO want to build around. If you're honest, you'd agree Jet fans aren't doing cartwheels over this one, but rather trusting the FO to turn it into a positive move.[/QUOTE]

    I think Poole would be an excellent addition in a S rotation, kind of like what Brandon McGowan brought to the Pats. Not a true starter, but a guy who contributed in a lot of secondary packages. Its true that the Jets might find their guy in the draft though. Its going to be a good one.

    [QUOTE]3) LT is a bad pickup if Greene goes down, but a better COMPLIMENT to Greene if he stays healthy. I don't think the FO can go in EXPECTING things to go wrong. They signed the player who brings an added dimension to the offense, and if things don't go according to plan, they'll have to improvise -- like EVERY FO. But the attention people are giving a BACKUP RB is really getting ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

    While I agree with most Jet fans that its unlikely that there are any more 1400 yard seasons left in him, he would have been a much better alternative to what you know have......at the same price. Besides TJ was a great plus as a lockerroom guy, while LT didn't have that rep in SD. I won't say he's a bad lockerroom guy, but I can't get that image of the 2007 AFCCG of him sitting on the bench BY HIMSELF, while his team was valiantly making a game of it in a very hostile environment.

    [QUOTE]4) Unlike the Pats, who are mostly entrenched in their system, the Jets had a rookie QB, a rookie coach, MAJOR players injured (Jenks/Leon) . . . the argument could be made that they will be better BY DEFAULT, nevermind the additions that have been/will be made in the offseason.
    [/QUOTE]

    You are dead wrong here if you think that the Pats are entrenched in ANY offensive or defensive system. The very fact that they have won so consistently over the decade was that they WEREN'T locked on a single system. At times they were a good running team. Other times they threw the ball like the Colts. Same for the D. Every week there is a DIFFERENT offensive/defensive plan, based on the match ups the OTHER team provides. The only thing consistent in the Pats "system" is their flexibility

    And don't get into injuries. Comparing what the Pats have had to endure in injuries with the pittance the Jets have endured isn't even close.

    [QUOTE] Tried to give a legitimate response to a (hopefully) legitimate thread. This upcoming season should be a fun one. You guys have the experience (which can't be understated) . . . hopefully we have the hunger to get there.:yes:[/QUOTE]

    And you did well. Thank you.
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    [QUOTE=jeT.MAC;3528785]Cromartie is a HUGH upgrade over LITTLE LITO, who Welker torched. Now the jets can put Revis on Welker [B]Who are you going to throw to???[/B] and put CRO on Moss..:yes: HELLO!!!

    [B]Pool hits harder then Rhodes! Rhodes doesnt scare anyone at Safety.[/B]

    Im not worried about LT bc the Jets have Greene, LW and the DRAFT STILL to find a #3 RB. :D




    :cool:[/QUOTE]

    i highly doubt Pool is their response to replacing Rhodes. He is likely signed as plan C or something along those lines. Rhodes loss isn't as huge as it woul have been even last season but it's a hole never-the-less and Pool is merely a finger in the dam backup insurance type.

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    [QUOTE=patsfanken;3528797]-Actually Leigh Boddin would have been a much better choice....IF the Jet were really aggressive. In that move they would have weakened their main rival and REALLY improved their secondary,[/QUOTE]

    How were the Jets going to sign Bodden genius?

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    [QUOTE=patsfanken;3528735]And your lame attempt at wit smells like delusion.....cute kid though ;)[/QUOTE]

    i wish you left out the compliment... I was ready to engage you in an duel to make this last hour at work go by faster. ;)




    your post was still poop though.

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    [QUOTE=patsfanken;3528797][QUOTE=OCCH;3528503]Not much to add that hasn't already been said, so I'll focus on the title "Be careful what you wish for" . . .



    Actually Leigh Boddin would have been a much better choice....IF the Jet were really aggressive. In that move they would have weakened their main rival and REALLY improved their secondary,

    [B]if I may, actually not a bad line of thought, I wonder if they sniffed into this and their reasons for going an alt. route.[/B]


    You aren't being realistic if you believe all of Cromartie's problems came about because he wasn't playing press coverage. First of all EVERY team plays a certain amount of press coverage. Do the Jets play more of it than other teams? I wouldn't be too sure. Its not just about zones vs man to man. Most team have many coverages that are hybrids of both, as well as rotation schemes. You cannot be a good DB in this league being a one dimensional CB....and if Rex JUST plays Cromartie in press coverage, then he'll be on the field only 30% of the plays, AND he will announce the coverage when he steps on the field. We both know that THAT isn't going to happen.

    [B]Cromartie has question marks for sure, the Jets didn't sacrifice too much, a worthy experiment, and if he can stay healthy, an improvement over Sheppard who was also an intriguing experiment.[/B]

    I think Poole would be an excellent addition in a S rotation, kind of like what Brandon McGowan brought to the Pats. Not a true starter, but a guy who contributed in a lot of secondary packages. Its true that the Jets might find their guy in the draft though. Its going to be a good one.

    [B]agreed. phil mcgowan?[/B]

    While I agree with most Jet fans that its unlikely that there are any more 1400 yard seasons left in him, he would have been a much better alternative to what you know have......at the same price. Besides TJ was a great plus as a lockerroom guy, while LT didn't have that rep in SD. I won't say he's a bad lockerroom guy, but I can't get that image of the 2007 AFCCG of him sitting on the bench BY HIMSELF, while his team was valiantly making a game of it in a very hostile environment.


    [B]I believe the offensive line is the most important aspect in football. the 2009 jets are no better example. as great as their defense is the jets aren't in the afc championship game if not for their o line. tj is good and thanks for the memories but adding tomlinson to the #1 nfl rushing offense of last season is very interesting.[/B]

    You are dead wrong here if you think that the Pats are entrenched in ANY offensive or defensive system. The very fact that they have won so consistently over the decade was that they WEREN'T locked not a single system. At time they were a great running team. Other times they threw the ball like the Colts. Same for the D. Every week there is a DIFFERENT offensive/defensive plan, based on the match ups the OTHER team provides.

    And don't get into injuries. Comparing what the Pats have had to endure in injuries with the pittance the Jets have endured isn't even close.


    [B]Patriots hit a streak of good scheme, good players, timely plays=dynasty. however the patriots injuries do not match up with the jets. The Jets lost their starting QB, the most important position in the game for 1/2 of 2003, 3 games in 2004, went through 6 QBs in 2005, and in 2007 showed inconsistancy all the while the Patriots had Tom Brady.[/B]

    And you did well. Thank you.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=jeT.MAC;3528785]Cromartie is a HUGH upgrade over LITTLE LITO, who Welker torched. [B]Now the jets can put Revis on Welker[/B] [B]Who are you going to throw to???[/B] and put CRO on Moss..:yes: HELLO!!!

    Pool hits harder then Rhodes! Rhodes doesnt scare anyone at Safety.

    Im not worried about LT bc the Jets have Greene, LW and the DRAFT STILL to find a #3 RB. :D

    :cool:[/QUOTE]



    We should keep Revis on the field. We will need him against the Pats WR's who will actually be playing.

    :yes:

    Not trying to poke fun at an injured player. Get Better Wes....its more fun to dislike you than feel sorry for you.

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    [QUOTE=sdJETSetter;3528818]We should keep Revis on the field. We will need him against the Pats WR's who will actually be playing.

    :yes:[/QUOTE]

    If Moss goes down, we actually won't need him. :cool:

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    [QUOTE=sdJETSetter;3528818]We should keep Revis on the field. We will need him against the Pats WR's who will actually be playing.

    :yes:

    Not trying to poke fun at an injured player. Get Better Wes....its more fun to dislike you than feel sorry for you.[/QUOTE]

    Thats right!!:yes: The little guy is hurt...ohhhhh!!!!

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    [QUOTE=Buzzsaw;3528762]I'll accept risky moves over not making any at all, like the Pats. Their only new acquisition this offseason has been a player right off the Jet's scrap heap, Marques Murrell. WTF are they doing in Foxboro?[/QUOTE]

    The Pats had 12 UFAs going into free agency and they signed their top 5. Not exactly standing still. The Pat's FO are rarely ones to make a splash early in FA anyway.

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    [QUOTE=Vinny Patrollie;3528838]The Pats had 12 UFAs going into free agency and they signed their top 5. Not exactly standing still. The Pat's FO are rarely ones to make a splash early in FA anyway.[/QUOTE]

    Just find a way NOT to face Baltimore in the playoffs again, and you may not need any signings.

    I think there may be a requirement to have at least 1 TE on your roster though.

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    [QUOTE=patsfanken;3528797]
    Actually Leigh Boddin would have been a much better choice....IF the Jet were really aggressive. In that move they would have weakened their main rival and REALLY improved their secondary,[/quote]

    *cough*Final 8 rules*cough*

    Wasn't an option.

    Next.

    [quote]You aren't being realistic if you believe all of Cromartie's problems came about because he wasn't playing press coverage. First of all EVERY team plays a certain amount of press coverage. Do the Jets play more of it than other teams? I wouldn't be too sure. Its not just about zones vs man to man. Most team have many coverages that are hybrids of both, as well as rotation schemes. You cannot be a good DB in this league being a one dimensional CB....and if Rex JUST plays Cromartie in press coverage, then he'll be on the field only 30% of the plays, AND he will announce the coverage when he steps on the field. We both know that THAT isn't going to happen.[/quote]

    Uhh, what?

    Obviously Cro won't be in Man Coverage 100% of the time, but the heavy majority of the time he will be. That's the scheme the Jets are playing, they need Cornerbacks who can play Man-to-Man coverage, and there are tons of other teams that play either the heavy majority of time in man or zone coverage.

    You remember Jason David? He was a nice little player in the Colts Zone Defense. He got signed by the Saints and he routinely got abused in Man Coverage and became a running punchline on ESPN for a while. This stuff happens all the time. Some Cornerbacks who play man well suck in zone, others who play zone well suck in man. That's fine if they fit your scheme, but it's a real ***** when they don't.

    [quote]I think Poole would be an excellent addition in a S rotation, kind of like what Brandon McGowan brought to the Pats. Not a true starter, but a guy who contributed in a lot of secondary packages. Its true that the Jets might find their guy in the draft though. Its going to be a good one.[/quote]

    Exactly how most Jets fans see him being used.....at least the ones that aren't delusional enough to think that he's an "upgrade" from Rhodes.

    [quote]While I agree with most Jet fans that its unlikely that there are any more 1400 yard seasons left in him, he would have been a much better alternative to what you know have......at the same price. Besides TJ was a great plus as a lockerroom guy, while LT didn't have that rep in SD. I won't say he's a bad lockerroom guy, but I can't get that image of the 2007 AFCCG of him sitting on the bench BY HIMSELF, while his team was valiantly making a game of it in a very hostile environment. [/quote]

    So.....because someone was injured, he's not great in the locker room? Nice logic. I'm sure if he was able to compete at a high level, he would have been out there with his teammates.

    [quote]You are dead wrong here if you think that the Pats are entrenched in ANY offensive or defensive system. The very fact that they have won so consistently over the decade was that they WEREN'T locked on a single system. At times they were a good running team. Other times they threw the ball like the Colts. Same for the D. Every week there is a DIFFERENT offensive/defensive plan, based on the match ups the OTHER team provides. The only thing consistent in the Pats "system" is their flexibility[/quote]

    Fair enough.

    [quote]And don't get into injuries. Comparing what the Pats have had to endure in injuries with the pittance the Jets have endured isn't even close.[/quote]

    I would say losing, arguably, your Offensive and Defensive MVP entering the year was a big setback. Not comparing anything to the Patriots, just stating a fact.
    Last edited by Ven0m; 03-16-2010 at 04:33 PM.

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