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    a couple quick notes about concussions

    1) there is no proof that a different helmet or mouthguard can prevent a concussion. there is no science to back any of those claims up... it's basically marketing at this point... or personal preference.

    2) concussions are cumulative, meaning after the first, it's easier to get a second... and after a second it's easier to get a third... and so on...

    3) there is no correlation between the size of a hit and a concussion. A guy can take a huge hit and walk away... and later that season take a seemingly minor hit and get concussed.

    4) concussions are easy to hide. It's not like a broken leg or something where you know the guy is hurt and he can't play. Guys get their "bell rung" and go back in the game all the time... and then later they report not remembering the entire 2nd half etc. It's not easy to quantity how concussed some one is or how many times he was concussed

    all this adds up to dont expect Brodney Pool to be around for very long... or for this to be an upgrade over Kerry Rhodes

    best case they use him like Kerry to cover deep on 3rd and long and let Eric Smith do the work on running downs... and I dont think they are done adding safeties, either in draft or FA. if someone signs Feely, Darren Sharper could be a fit.

    one final note depending on what the competition committee says this week there might be further rules about allowing the WR to protect themselves before a hit... so the type of big hits that safeties load up on WR when they just get the ball, might be a penalty next year.
    Last edited by bitonti; 03-18-2010 at 12:47 PM.

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    ted washington? okay, just throwing that out there.

    [QUOTE=SONNY WERBLIN;3530934]His playing time is completely contrary to a guy with 4 concussions

    2009 Cleveland Browns 11 games missed final 5 games with concussion
    2008 Cleveland Browns 15 games missed opening game with concussion
    2007 Cleveland Browns 16 games
    2006 Cleveland Browns 16 games
    2005 Cleveland Browns 13 games missed 3 consecutive games in Nov-Dec due an ankle injury.

    [url]http://www.nfl.com/players/brodneypool/gamelogs?id=POO051141&season=2009[/url]

    I just do not see how 4 concussions are possible.

    but I did find this



    I can only say that if he has had 4 concussions, he was playing injured, and he should consider suing Romeo and Mangina. I wonder where they could have learned that playing a guy with a concussion is OK?



    [url]http://cle.scout.com/2/924737.html[/url][/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;3530958]a couple quick notes about concussions

    [B]1) there is no proof that a different helmet or mouthguard can prevent a concussion. there is no science to back any of those claims up... it's basically marketing at this point... or personal preference.
    [/B]
    [/QUOTE]

    Take your pick...

    [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/06/AR2009110603465.html[/url]

    [url]http://www.designnews.com/article/232803-Unique_Helmet_Design_Could_Reduce_Concussions.php[/url]

    [url]http://www.neuroskills.com/pr-newhelmet.shtml[/url]

    [url]http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2007/09/anti-concussion/[/url]

    [url]http://www.sportsdentistry.com/concussion.html[/url]

    [url]http://www.floridadental.org/public/MouthWise/Mouthguards/3Mouthwise-mouthguard-handout.pdf[/url]

    [url]http://www.pr.com/press-release/204488[/url]

    [url]http://www.gmaher.com/concussions.html[/url]

    Just because the NFL doesn't want to pay for the new equipment and show their hand in the on going debate on whether or not veteran compensation for those who did not have this equipment should get paid doesn't mean the sport science behind it is bunk.

    And an understanding of physics, biology, bio-physics, neurophysics, kinesics, and energy transfer would be helpful before blurting out a half assed rebuttal :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;3530311]My question is how is it possible that the entire NFL world got it wrong that he had 4 concussions? What did he lose time to injury for those other three times? Was he misdiagnosed three times by team doctors?[/QUOTE]

    that quote is from his agent so I would think twice about the concusions

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    [QUOTE=sameoldjets;3531007]ted washington? okay, just throwing that out there.[/QUOTE]

    Ted Johnson??

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;3530958]a couple quick notes about concussions

    1) there is no proof that a different helmet or mouthguard can prevent a concussion. there is no science to back any of those claims up... it's basically marketing at this point... or personal preference.

    2) concussions are cumulative, meaning after the first, it's easier to get a second... and after a second it's easier to get a third... and so on...

    3) there is no correlation between the size of a hit and a concussion. A guy can take a huge hit and walk away... and later that season take a seemingly minor hit and get concussed.

    4) concussions are easy to hide. It's not like a broken leg or something where you know the guy is hurt and he can't play. Guys get their "bell rung" and go back in the game all the time... and then later they report not remembering the entire 2nd half etc. It's not easy to quantity how concussed some one is or how many times he was concussed

    all this adds up to dont expect Brodney Pool to be around for very long... or for this to be an upgrade over Kerry Rhodes

    best case they use him like Kerry to cover deep on 3rd and long and let Eric Smith do the work on running downs... and I dont think they are done adding safeties, either in draft or FA. if someone signs Feely, Darren Sharper could be a fit.

    one final note depending on what the competition committee says this week there might be further rules about allowing the WR to protect themselves before a hit... so the type of big hits that safeties load up on WR when they just get the ball, might be a penalty next year.[/QUOTE]

    I'd always heard that one concussion DOES NOT mean it's "easier" to get another one. Can you provide a link on that? I'm no doctor, but it seems like that's one of those opinions that [I]seems[/I] like it ought to be true, but isn't necessarily.
    I used to box, and people liked to say "once you've been knocked out once, it's easier to be knocked out again." Completely untrue. One knockout has absolutely nothing to do with another. Anyone can get knocked out if punched in the right place -- anyone can get a concussion at any time, provided they're hit in the right place. Not sure how it would become "easier" over time.

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    I didn't know there were so many neurologists on JI?:yes:

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    [QUOTE=John_0515;3531509]I didn't know there were so many neurologists on JI?:yes:[/QUOTE]

    I'm not... this forum also has an abundance of NFL General Manager's, personnel scouts, and coaches.

    The talent on this board is amazing...

    Either that, we all sleep in a holliday inn.

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    [QUOTE=Ray Ray19;3531512]Either that, we all sleep in a holliday inn.[/QUOTE]

    I don't doubt that this is the case, at best when it comes to stuff like that.

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    [QUOTE=John_0515;3531509]I didn't know there were so many neurologists on JI?:yes:[/QUOTE]

    I'm off to study medicine but anyone who has a science degree knows that "there is no scientific proof" is a real head scratcher :D

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    [QUOTE=Ray Ray19;3531512]I'm not... this forum also has an abundance of NFL General Manager's, personnel scouts, and coaches.

    The talent on this board is amazing...

    [B]Either that, we all sleep in a holliday inn.[/B][/QUOTE]

    That's be the crankiest holiday inn ever...

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    [QUOTE=FreshBaked 24 7;3531264]

    And an understanding of physics, biology, bio-physics, neurophysics, kinesics, and energy transfer would be helpful before blurting out a half assed rebuttal :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    a dictionary definition of scientific method includes experiments to verify theories

    right now all of these are just theories, they dont have the long term data to back up any of these claims. Yes there are smart ideas and yes there has been limited testing but it's marketing at this point.

    Until NFL players start using these things in NFL games, using NFL physics and concussions are reduced or eliminated it's not proven science.

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    [QUOTE=FreemanMC;3531475]I'd always heard that one concussion DOES NOT mean it's "easier" to get another one. Can you provide a link on that? [/QUOTE]


    [quote]Having previously sustained a sports concussion has been found to be a strong factor increasing the likelihood of a concussion in the future.

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concussion[/url]

    further sited:

    Moser RS, Iverson GL, Echemendia RJ, Lovell MR, Schatz P, Webbe FM et al. (2007). "Neuropsychological evaluation in the diagnosis and management of sports-related concussion". Archives of Clinical Neuropsychology 22 (8): 90916. doi:10.1016/j.acn.2007.09.004. PMID 17988831.

    [url]http://acn.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/22/8/909[/url]
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    the quote is from a neurology article in 2007

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    dammit

    we shudda kept Sherry Rhodes


    no danger of her ever incurring a concussion

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    [QUOTE=John_0515;3531509]I didn't know there were so many neurologists on JI?:yes:[/QUOTE]

    Neurologist? I was always hoping to be an architect.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;3531701]the quote is from a neurology article in 2007[/QUOTE]

    Thanks!

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    [QUOTE=crasherino;3531759]Neurologist? I was always hoping to be an architect.[/QUOTE]

    We have seen some with those same hopes over in the Stadium thread. ;)


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    [QUOTE=Buzzsaw;3530211]Saw Rhodes on TMZ on Monday night. He's apparently hitting something other than opposing players:


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    His new girlfriend, Aubrey O'Day. Oh, and in the clip, they were coming out of a restaurant in.....Hollywood :D[/QUOTE]


    Ya my buddy told me about this. I was like whatttt?! Props Kerry

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    [QUOTE=crasherino;3531759]Neurologist? I was always hoping to be an architect.[/QUOTE]

    I thought we were uniformly proctologists. :(

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    [QUOTE=FreemanMC;3531475]I'd always heard that one concussion DOES NOT mean it's "easier" to get another one. Can you provide a link on that? I'm no doctor, but it seems like that's one of those opinions that [I]seems[/I] like it ought to be true, but isn't necessarily.
    I used to box, and people liked to say [B]"once you've been knocked out once, it's easier to be knocked out again." Completely untrue.[/B] One knockout has absolutely nothing to do with another. Anyone can get knocked out if punched in the right place -- anyone can get a concussion at any time, provided they're hit in the right place. Not sure how it would become "easier" over time.[/QUOTE]

    Who would believe that? Why?

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