i don't care how good the guy is, if he's going to play guard in the nfl, you don't take him with all the other talent in the draft. if he's woody's replacement and will be a very good RT, then he should be a consideration.
with ellis near retirement and very little natural pass rush to speak of, and with only 2 proven wrs on the roster, the thought of using the 29th pick to take a guard makes no sense. sometimes i see people on this board justifying any selection, whether it's a safety, cb, wr, og, etc.
That because some people realize this team sets itself up to have no major needs come draft time. It's not as if anyone we draft is seeing the field all that often.. sometimes i see people on this board justifying any selection, whether it's a safety, cb, wr, og, etc.
I just don't buy it. Both sides of the lines are aging, would rather se it used on the side where they can rotate and have the bigger impact this year.
in this deep draft i don't buy the pure BAP theory nor do i take a guard in round 1. the jets need a RT more, and they need pass rushers even more than that. i have faith that rex and tanny will get it right. they seem to have got it right with sanchez.
in the end I think its' a moot point as I don't expect Iuapti to be available @29...
It all depends on who is on the board at 29. I have no problem with drafting a player high and having him sit for year and learn the pro game if the player is a good enough prospect. Even sitting at 29 the Jets will be able to take players from a wide variety of positions if they choose. Tannenbaum doesn't seem to like to sit in once place though so I'd actually be surprised if the Jets end up picking at 29.
i would be surprised if they took a cb or safety in round 1. they have a lot of money tied up in the cb position and safeties can be found in later rounds. i would also be surprised if the jets took a hybrid OLB/DE like hughes, even though i like hughes, only b/c tanny is probably hesitant to invest 1st round money in that transition again. the way i see it unfolding, the jets either trade out of the first round and go BAP in round 2 with their 2 picks, or, if they stay at 29, they take ellis' eventual replacement or a wr.
What's the difference between a RT and a G? Why's a G so much less valuable?
if a guy like slauson is halfway decent he can play guard. but you need a RT who can block guys like jerry hughes.
For years people would scoff at a center being drafted in the 1st round but lo and behold we took mangold and the pick was well worth it. The key for me is to get a great player with your 1st round pick and if you get the best guard in the draft late in the 1st round that is fine by me. If you get the best safety, fine by me. Of course it all depends on just how good your scouts think these players are.
by and large, any time you draft someone who turns out to be good, that's a good thing, regardless of round, and the later in the first round you're picking, the less important the position of that player. but compared to other positions, guard and safety aren't critical, and if players of similar grades are on the board, i would expect the jets to take a DE over a S in round 1 if the grades are equal.
+1,000,000I also think some drafting stereotypes are getting broken the last few years.
Draft stereotypes are convoluted and dumb, and slowly dying because of that. Kellen Winslow Jr...Vernon Davis...Sean Taylor...Steve Hutchinson...Alan Faneca...Davin Joseph...Ben Grubbs...Laron Landry...Ed Reed...Dallas Clark...Dustin Keller...all guys who play positions that "should never be drafted in the first because you can find those kind of guys later."
Last edited by SenorGato; 03-22-2010 at 12:48 PM.
If player values are near equal then of course you take the guy that is good and fits a more immediate need if the values are not equal from your scouts then that is another case.
If the conversation in the war room goes like this then I know who I'm picking.
GM: "So we have the guard and the DE, who do we want?"
Scout: "The DE is good, should be a fine player for us, not flashy but will get the job done. The guard is best pure guard prospect I've seen in 10 years."
Admittedly I'm a bit biased in favour of having the best o-line you can get. It solves or prevents so many problems for an offensive team. I also worry that sooner or later we will get hit by injuries up front. The Jets have been phenominally healthy on the o-line the last few years.
i may be in the minority here, but i believe that it's easier to draft a guy like slauson, groom him and stick him in between brick and mangold in 2 years and he'll do fine. i think it's harder to find a RT who can take on the elite blitzers who line up on the other side to exploit the slow RTs.
... i believe D-line should be & will be the pick ...
... after DT & DE i give a small window to OLB & CB if BAP is a significant better value ...
... i'd choose iupati over many of the other ideas being thrown around besides those i've mentioned at 29 ...
... this is trader mike though ... what are the odds we stay put at 29? ...