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    [QUOTE=Revi$_I$l@nd;3538713]You may have some unfamiliarty with Keels.

    This dude is NOTORIOUS for getting his clients to agree to let him seek outrageous deals.

    He's in Leon's ear all the time letting him know he can get him MJD money.

    Of Course Leon is going to listen. Look what he f*cking did for Lamont Jordan, Larry Johnson, etc...

    Have some sense man ;)[/QUOTE]
    I actually am very familiar with Keels but let me just say this. My son is an attorney and worked for an agent that respresented many Jets (not Keels) and let me tell you that there are a lot of players that don't take their agents advice and turn down very good deals.

    At the end of the day the decision is the players and they have to be held accountable for it.

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    [QUOTE=Queens Jet Fan;3538804]I actually am very familiar with Keels but let me just say this. My son is an attorney and worked for an agent that respresented many Jets (not Keels) and let me tell you that there are a lot of players that don't take their agents advice and turn down very good deals.

    At the end of the day the decision is the players and they have to be held accountable for it.[/QUOTE]

    Keels is a moron- plain and simple.....

    I'd be more than happy to compare numbers of agents known and the ones known who represent the Jets and I can tell you this much- the decision was not arrived without bad advice from Keels....

    I haven't gone through this thread and this may have all ready been mentioned but what was Keels thinking when they turned down the contract??? who was Washington going to get more money from??

    by the time Washington was injured is was well known there was an 80% chance the league was heading towards labor unrest, 2010 would be an uncapped year and as a result Washington would be an RFA....he was going to hold out for more money from the Jets with the greater possibility of no other option??

    keels was basically dealt a king and a nine from the blackjack dealer then asked for another card on the off chance it would be a two or less and he got destroyed...

    I should add- ask the agent your son works for ehat he thinks; they are laughing at keels because he's getting what he deserved...the term agent maleficence has been mentioned a lot...
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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;3538810]Keels is a moron- plain and simple.....

    I'd be more than happy to compare numbers of agents known and the ones known who represent the Jets and I can tell you this much- the decision was not arrived without bad advice from Keels....

    I haven't gone through this thread and this may have all ready been mentioned but what was Keels thinking when they turned down the contract??? who was Washington going to get more money from??

    by the time Washington was injured is was well known there was an 80% chance the league was heading towards labor unrest, 2010 would be an uncapped year and as a result Washington would be an RFA....he was going to hold out for more money from the Jets with the greater possibility of no other option??

    keels was basically dealt a king and a nine from the blackjack dealer then asked for another card on the off chance it would be a two or less and he got destroyed...

    I should add- ask the agent your son works for ehat he thinks; they are laughing at keels because he's getting what he deserved...the term agent maleficence has been mentioned a lot...[/QUOTE]
    What makes you think I'm defending Keels? All I'm saying is that nobody should assume that they knew what went on in negotiations and in the talks between an agent and a client.

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    [QUOTE=crasherino;3538793]At the end of the day, it won't really matter as Leon isn't Pete Kendall. Kendall is/was a loud mouth and made the decision that he was going to be a thorn in the side of the team. Guys like Leon, TJ and even Chris Baker don't have it in them to be like Kendall and create a true commotion.

    So, in this instance, [B]we'll probably see Leon go through the motions of the typical disgruntled player (as he did somewhat last year), but when push comes to shove, he'll be busting his ass next to his teammates in camp trying to show that he's back to where he was before[/B]. Whether he can do that is anyone's guess. I wouldn't bet against him, but hardly think its a slam dunk. And then, of course, is the tough decision of evaluating how important a guy like Leon really is to this team when we now have LDT for the next two years, Braylon and a maturing Sanchez. Not an easy task.[/QUOTE]

    I agree with this -- and you're probably right...while it will be a major topic of discussion among fans and media for a while (as it was last season), it will probably not have any impact on the player or the team.

    After all, he really has very little choice -- LW and Keels had little leverage last season, and even less now.

    As for his chances of making a full comeback -- you're right, it's certainly an open question (if there was a gun to my head, I probably WOULD bet against it...but it's not like it's a clear choice). What IS clear, in my opinion, is that it's very unlikely he'll be back to full strength by opening day even in the best case scenario.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;3538810]Keels is a moron- plain and simple.....

    I'd be more than happy to compare numbers of agents known and the ones known who represent the Jets and I can tell you this much- the decision was not arrived without bad advice from Keels....

    I haven't gone through this thread and this may have all ready been mentioned but what was Keels thinking when they turned down the contract??? who was Washington going to get more money from??

    by the time Washington was injured is was well known there was an 80% chance the league was heading towards labor unrest, 2010 would be an uncapped year and as a result Washington would be an RFA....he was going to hold out for more money from the Jets with the greater possibility of no other option??

    keels was basically dealt a king and a nine from the blackjack dealer then asked for another card on the off chance it would be a two or less and he got destroyed...

    I should add- ask the agent your son works for ehat he thinks; they are laughing at keels because he's getting what he deserved...[B]the term agent maleficence has been mentioned a lot[/B]...[/QUOTE]

    this is interesting to hear.

    I've said on this forum before that I thought the Leon Washington case would probably go down as a text book example of how NOT to conduct a negotiation on the part of the player and agent....destined to be studied by other agents and player reps for years to come in order to avoid the same sort of disaster. the fact that people in the business are discussing it the way you describe indicates to me that this has already happened.

    I remember posting on this board after the Christmas night win over the Dolphins to secure a playoff spot in 06 that even if LW never did anything else significant in his career, he'd always be remembered for his 70 yard screen pass that basically won the game. And I still believe that us Jets fans will remember him for that. But, sad to say, for the rest of the league he may have a lasting legacy of a very different sort.

    Again, I hope Leon comes back strong and builds a great legacy for his play (as a Jet, or somewhere else)...and if that's the case, he'll get his payday anyway and all of this will be moot. But, just being realistic, I think time will show that he and Keels REALLY blew it.
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    NYDN, Cimini: 8/11/09

    [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]When the Jets made their initial contract proposal to LW, believed to be around $2 million per year, he found it so insulting that he skipped some of the offseason workouts.

    They've increased their offer considerably. [B][U]According to sources, the Jets have an offer on the table that averages $4.5 million a year[/U]. Washington is believed to be seeking $6 million per year.[/B] Thing is, if the Jets go higher than $5 million, they'd be paying him more than TJ, the starting tailback.
    Washington is due to make $535,000 this season. The two sides continue to talk, although nothing appears imminent.


    Read more: [URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2009/08/12/2009-08-12_leon_washington.html#ixzz0jKd9ZGwj"][COLOR=#015fb6]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2009/08/12/2009-08-12_leon_washington.html#ixzz0jKd9ZGwj[/COLOR][/URL]
    [/COLOR][/LEFT]

    NYT, Sandomir: 10/29/09

    Washington, 27, is in the last year of a rookie contract — he was a fourth-round draft pick in 2006 — that is paying him $535,000 this season. [B]He was anticipating his first big payday but rejected the Jets’ last offer last summer of a deal worth at least [U]$5 million[/U] annually.[/B]
    [B]Seeking $6 million or more, he said in July, “For me not to get rewarded, I’m not happy about it.” [/B]

    [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/30/sports/football/30leon.html[/URL]

    Not exactly a mystery, is it? Washington was offered $4.5M-$5M+ but wanted $6M, more than Jones.

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    [QUOTE=david1023;3538389]You guys are nuts! Losing Leon would be a disaster.[/QUOTE]

    +1. It really showed up last year on kick returns and using the screen, not so much on first and second downs. Guys like this do NOT grow on trees.

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    Losing Leon would be a BIG mistake.

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;3538882]Losing Leon would be a BIG mistake.[/QUOTE]


    Only if losing you were so easy:yes:

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    [QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;3538865]NYDN, Cimini: 8/11/09

    [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]When the Jets made their initial contract proposal to LW, believed to be around $2 million per year, he found it so insulting that he skipped some of the offseason workouts.[/COLOR][/LEFT]

    [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]They've increased their offer considerably. [B][U]According to sources, the Jets have an offer on the table that averages $4.5 million a year[/U]. Washington is believed to be seeking $6 million per year.[/B] Thing is, if the Jets go higher than $5 million, they'd be paying him more than TJ, the starting tailback. [/COLOR]
    [COLOR=#000000]Washington is due to make $535,000 this season. The two sides continue to talk, although nothing appears imminent. [/COLOR][/LEFT]


    [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Read more: [URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2009/08/12/2009-08-12_leon_washington.html#ixzz0jKd9ZGwj"][COLOR=#015fb6]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2009/08/12/2009-08-12_leon_washington.html#ixzz0jKd9ZGwj[/COLOR][/URL][/COLOR][/LEFT]


    NYT, Sandomir: 10/29/09

    Washington, 27, is in the last year of a rookie contract — he was a fourth-round draft pick in 2006 — that is paying him $535,000 this season. [B]He was anticipating his first big payday but rejected the Jets’ last offer last summer of a deal worth at least [U]$5 million[/U] annually.[/B]
    [B]Seeking $6 million or more, he said in July, “For me not to get rewarded, I’m not happy about it.” [/B]

    [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/30/sports/football/30leon.html[/URL]

    Not exactly a mystery, is it? Washington was offered $4.5M-$5M+ but wanted $6M, more than Jones.[/QUOTE]


    Good find. :yes:

    Unfortunately sports agents are a necessary evil and if Leon feels loyal to Keels so be it. I won't knock Leon for being loyal, in fact I think it's a quality trait.

    However, this is the NY Jets & the team is about 2 go into super high profile mode coming off a gutsy SB run & a reality TV crew following them around going into season 2010. We're opening a new stadium in the middle of a recession and there is a draft coming up shortly that could leave Leon on the wires instead of on NYJ property.

    Until proven otherwise LW is still on the damaged goods list & not really the priority his agent thinks he is, especially by pulling a Plaxico and rehabbing in Florida instead of hopping a two hour flight. I'm sure spending a few days here in NY/NJ trying to reconnect with his HC & teammates wouldn't hurt his recovery process, in fact I'm thinking it could only help shore up support from both the fans & his co-workers, but just MHO.
    Last edited by Limolady; 03-27-2010 at 07:50 AM.

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    Leon should be "a bit taken back" by the advice of his agent last year at this time. 5 million a year for a return specialist... he won't ever see a pay day like that again in his life.

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    [QUOTE=el_dub80;3538295]Leon, just report and stop being a diva, it's a good time to be a Jet :yes:[/QUOTE]

    Well, we are kind of a diva team right now. We're getting alot of attention.

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    Alvin Keels is a MORON! Not for nothing, but..... Keels also was a part of last season's "Hard Knocks" on HBO. He was the agent for ROOKIE HOLDOUT Andre Smith. Episodes aired with Keels meeting with the Bengals GM and discussing Smith's contract... Keels advertised Smith as the next coming of Christ, only for Smith to injure himself in his 2nd practice as a Professional Football Player...... (missed a bunch of time)

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    Hypothetical trade--

    2010 5th and 2011 conditional (rounds 3 to 7) for a RB whose leg bone popped out his flesh (edited to say: and still can't run going on April). Any takers?
    Last edited by pick6; 03-26-2010 at 11:04 PM.

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