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    [QUOTE=SMC;3550547]You mean like this past AFCCG?[/QUOTE]

    are you really comparing missing TWO makeable FGs that would have sent us to the AFC Championship Game to missing one makeable FG on the opening drive of the AFC Title Game?

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    [QUOTE=nyjunc;3551299]are you really comparing missing TWO makeable FGs that would have sent us to the AFC Championship Game to missing one makeable FG on the opening drive of the AFC Title Game?[/QUOTE]

    You can't criticize Folk for being a choke artist when Feely was a choke artist himself.

    That's the point.

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    Jets kicker Nick Folk eager to return to Pro Bowl form after rocky 2009 season

    Nick Folk knows the exact moment when he slid into irrelevance and landed on the NFL’s scrap heap after a sizzling start to his career.

    May 5, 2009.

    On that day, Folk morphed from Pro Bowler to also-ran, undergoing right hip surgery to repair a labral tear that tossed him into a season-long funk. Folk, who made 87 percent of his field goal attempts in his first two seasons, looked lost last year before the Cowboys released him. He missed field goals in six consecutive games down the stretch.

    Folk was hardly surprised Dallas cut him.

    “With the way I was kicking?” Folk said with a laugh during the Jets voluntary workouts Thursday. “It was bound to happen at some point unless I started making kicks. I couldn’t get on a streak there (toward) the end of the season. So we’ll get that fixed.”

    The Jets’ decision to let unrestricted free agent Jay Feely walk leaves the mercurial Folk as the front-runner to win the kicking job. Folk, whose only competition on the roster right now is recently signed Clint Stitser, admitted he developed “bad habits” and technical glitches in his form after the surgery that plagued him all season. He made only 18 of 28 (64.3 percent) field goal attempts.

    “Everything leads back to the surgery,” Folk said. “That’s what I can attribute it to.... I felt I needed to get more aggressive to the ball to compensate for the hip."

    The 25-year-old Folk had only one week of offseason kicking time in the run-up to last year’s training camp. He didn’t kick for more than six months while recovering from the surgery, which was performed by noted hip specialist Marc Phillipon (who also performed Alex Rodriguez’s hip operation).

    He welcomed the pressure to prove that he’s back to his Pro Bowl form.

    “I’m getting it back on track now,” Folk said. “I’m feeling good now – kicking really well. So, I have to go out and prove myself, which I don’t mind doing. I like it.”

    [B]NOTE: Mark Sanchez [/B]has started running in a pool as part of his rehab from knee surgery. The second-year quarterback hasn’t started jogging/running on a treadmill yet.


    [URL]http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2010/04/jets_kicker_nick_folk_eager_to.html[/URL]

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    04/08 Nick Folk was asked this morning about special teams coordinator Mike Westhoff. He responded by talking about Friday morning, which will be the biggest day to date in his Jets career.

    "He's been great so far. We're going out tomorrow to kick a little bit," said Folk in front of his locker during the media availability period in the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center. "That'll be my first kicking experience here except for my workout. It'll be good."

    It'll also be Folk's first Green & White outdoors workout as the most experienced PK on the Jets' roster, after Jay Feely's signing with Arizona last week. But that's not what will make the outdoor session (perhaps in the rain here in North Jersey) so good for him.

    "Coach Ryan told me somebody will probably be in here competing with me," he said. "I've competed two out of three years for someone, so it's not bad. I don't mind it at all. It'll bring out the best for the team and I think it should bring out the best in you."

    Folk needs to show his best because it's better than how he ended last season with Dallas. Many remember his struggles as he went 4-for-11 on his field goal tries in a six-game span before the Cowboys released him with two games to go in the regular season.

    Looking back on December, he was asked, was he surprised he was let go?

    "The way I was kicking? It was going to happen at some point unless I started making kicks," he said.

    But the downside of this game often is that the good work of players and teams gets forgotten in the blink of the eye that is the NFL's 16-game season. What folks might forget about Folk is that for 2 seasons, he was fashioning a career as one of the league's best young kickers.

    Folk wasn't going to go into all the reasons that career got put on hold for a while. But he allowed that a lot had to do with the hip procedure he underwent in May 2009 after that joint had bothered him for much of '08.

    "I don't want to blame anything, but everything leads back to the surgery. That's what I can kind of attribute it to," he said. "I talked with my kicking coach and there was something really minor I had picked up, and it was because I felt I needed to get more aggressive to the ball to compensate for things. That's just the way it was. But everything feels good now."

    There's no telling who all will be competing against Folk for the kicking job this off-season and training camp. On Tuesday the Jets announced the signing of Clint Stitser, the Fresno State kicker who reminds me just a bit of John Hall not quite as big at 6'1" and 200 pounds as Johnny was, but still big enough, and raw with 71 percent career accuracy at Fresno, similar to how raw Hall was coming out of Wisconsin as a free agent under Bill Parcells in 1997. Stitser had a strong workout for Westhoff and the Jets before signing on and for now he's in the competition.

    But Folk is even bigger at 6'1", 225, and he looks as if he's got back the confidence that led him to a Pro Bowl appearance as a rookie in 2007 and an even better non-PB season the next year.

    "It's such an up-and-down game. I've just got to keep my head to the grind, keep working, keep going," he said. "We'll get it fixed."

    I asked him about the possible opportunity to open another new NFL stadium in style. Last year Folk converted the first placement, an extra point, in Cowboys Stadium's Aug. 21 preseason debut, then hit all his kicks (4 PATs and a 47-yard FG) in the official Sunday night unveiling in the loss to the Giants last Sept. 20. He may well have the chance to hit the first kick in New Meadowlands Stadium in the Monday night preseason opener against the Giants, not to mention the first "real" kick in the the Jets' NMS history in the Monday night regular-season opener.

    "It's important, but I think it's more important for the team to get a win in the first game," he said. "We didn't win the first one last year in Dallas. I could care less how many field goals I kick. I could kick extra points all day long if we win games and win the Super Bowl."

    I reminded him that I didn't think he'd ever missed an extra point in all the ups and downs of his three-year pro career. He didn't say a word, just knocked on the wood panel at the side of his locker, before heading to today's practice.

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    [QUOTE=SMC;3551310]You can't criticize Folk for being a choke artist when Feely was a choke artist himself.

    That's the point.[/QUOTE]

    Feely wasn't a choke artist, he missed one FG that he was expected to make and that was on the first drive of the game.

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    Read a similar article a few weeks back where Folk was saying basically the same thing... he discovered the difference in his technique and tha it was from the injury.. he was leaning due to overcompensating (was just coming off offseason hip surgery prior to last season's struggles)

    Went on to say he's healthy and has corrected his motion, etc and is now back to driving the ball and kicking well.. as well as hitting 60 yarders!! We'll see about all that:) But the kid has big talent and a cannon for a leg.. & at only 25, a return to form -when healthy- seems very likely to me in this instance. & I like his attitude. That's my feeling, and that's what I expect here. GREAT and overlooked signing IMO. Will be an out and out steal IMO, as long as healthy obviously.

    We'll see what happens.

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    [QUOTE=JOHNNY JOHNSON;3551368]Read a similar article a few weeks back where Folk was saying basically the same thing... he discovered the difference in his technique and tha it was from the injury.. he was leaning due to overcompensating (was just coming off offseason hip surgery prior to last season's struggles)

    Went on to say he's healthy and has corrected his motion, etc and is now back to driving the ball and kicking well.. as well as hitting 60 yarders!! We'll see about all that:) But the kid has big talent and a cannon for a leg.. & at only 25, a return to form -when healthy- seems very likely to me in this instance. & I like his attitude. That's my feeling, and that's what I expect here. GREAT and overlooked signing IMO. Will be an out and out steal IMO, as long as healthy obviously.

    We'll see what happens.[/QUOTE]

    I read that article to. He also said his ko's were 5 to 10 yards deep. I don't see why anyone would doubt what Folk is saying. He had 2 great years has surgery and can't kick for 6 mos. It makes total sense.
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    [QUOTE]First Comparison: Accuaracy: Over his career, Jay Feely has about an 81 percent made field goals to Folk's 79 percent. The difference is really negligable. The big difference is age. Nick Folk at 25 isn't even in his prime, while Feely, 33, is over the hump. Feely has attempted about 150 more kicks than Folk.[B] Last season, Feely achieved an 83 percent to Folk's abombinable 64 percent. However, the year before, Folk nailed a 90.9 percent to Feely's 85.7 percent. Folk's improving, and Feely's not.[/B] That is why Folk wins this one.

    Winner: Nick Folk
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    How does this make any sense at all?

    Feely:
    2008 - 85.7%
    2009 - 83%

    Feely's "Not Improving"

    Folk:
    2008 - 90.9%
    2009 - 64%

    Folk's "Improving"

    Also... Kickers aren't like other positions, consistency isn't related to age at all from what I can see. So the fact that Folk is 25 and Feely is 33 is totally irrelevent.

    I thought Feely was pretty good, but I wasn't so affected by the move. But wow, this article feels like it was written by Folk's agent, or brother.

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    [QUOTE=nyjunc;3551361]Feely wasn't a choke artist, he missed one FG that he was expected to make and that was on the first drive of the game.[/QUOTE]

    And the 50 yarder in the 2nd half. And the Atlanta game. And the Seattle game when he was with the Giants.

    Feely has a long history of choking.

    Remember, he was sitting at home week 1 of the 2008 season because no one wanted him. Nugent's injury led to his signing with the Jets.

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    [QUOTE=Kentucky Jet;3549279]Did the Jets Choose Well?: Jay Feely vs. Nick Folk
    by Zach Bjorn Contributor Written on April 06, 2010 Ronald Martinez/ Bleacher Report
    Folk or Feely?

    With the Jets' first off season move, they signed the Dallas kicker Nick Folk. This was a puzzling move. Why did the Jets not re-sign Feely? Well, a month or two later, the Cardinals signed unrestricted free agent Jay Feely. So the question is: Who is the better choice?

    I will be comparing them in accuracy, power, consistency, kickoff, situational and X factor.

    First Comparison: Accuaracy: Over his career, Jay Feely has about an 81 percent made field goals to Folk's 79 percent. The difference is really negligable. The big difference is age. Nick Folk at 25 isn't even in his prime, while Feely, 33, is over the hump. Feely has attempted about 150 more kicks than Folk. Last season, Feely achieved an 83 percent to Folk's abombinable 64 percent. However, the year before, Folk nailed a 90.9 percent to Feely's 85.7 percent. Folk's improving, and Feely's not. That is why Folk wins this one.

    Winner: Nick Folk



    Second Comparison: Power: Nick Folk's career long is a 53, while Feely's is a 55. Negligable, again. Feely's stats from 40-50 are 58-81(career), while his 50+ are 10-20. Folk's are 22-30 and 5-9, respectively. Folk has a slight advantage and will only get better. Folk has a cannon for a leg, so expect those numbers to rise.

    Winner: Nick Folk



    Third Comparison: Consistency: This is the 800-pound gorilla in Nick Folk's room. He had a 90.7 percent season in 2008, and then dropped to 64.3. That is his big issue. Feely lately been very consistent. For the last 5 years, he's hovered at an 85 percent. Most kickers have trouble with consistency early, but the win goes to Feely.

    Winner: Jay Feely



    Fourth Comparison: Kickoff: Nick Folk did not kickoff in his first year, but in his career managed a 61.1 average. Feely achieved a 63.3 average. He also has about 88 more touch backs, to Folk's 4. Feely also has 6 onside kicks out of 20 recovered to Folk's 1 out of 5.

    Winner: Jay Feely



    Fifth Comparison: Situational: Last season, Nick Folk logged a 75 percent success rate in fourth quarter kicks to Feely's 70 percent. If you remember the Falcons game, Feely missed three kicks, which would have won the game. Whenever behind, though, last season Feely nailed every kick. In 2008, Folk had similar results.

    Winner: Nick Folk






    Sixth and Final Comparison: X Factor: The X factor can't be measured accurately, due to uncertainty. It is age. Folk is 25, while Feely is 33. This is huge. This means that Folk could go on to be even better, or fizzle out. At this point in Folk's career, his stats are better than Feely. I think that he could be a star.

    Winner: Nick Folk



    GRAND WINNER!: Nick Folk.

    I believe Folk is the better choice because he has a better leg and is young. It's sad to see Feely leave. He set a consecutive kick record, and was great for us. We'll miss his kicking (and occasionaly punting). However, out with the old, in with the new. It's time for the Folk era.
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    i stopped reading the article when the schmuck writer said that going from 90% on field goal attempts two years ago, to 64% constitutes "improving."


    i didn't mind losing Feely as he was shaky when it mattered most, but at the very least the Jets could've thought about bringing in a legitimate replacement, such as as a Neil Rackers. instead they went from having a middle of the road kicekr who could tackle well on kickoffs, to literally the worst kicker in the league.

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    [QUOTE=nycdan;3549388]Seriously. the writer gave that point to Folk after a 19% difference in favor of Feely last season and then said it's because Folk is younger? You also gave Folk a point again later on because he is younger. By that logic, my son is 9 and would be better than both of them.

    Also, Feely's 40-49 percentage is quite a bit better than Folk's (80 vs. 73.3) which is a lot more important than the 50+ numbers IMO. I'd give that one to Feely as well.

    Finally, he cites Folk's 'cannon' as a reason his long range kicks will improve but yet Feely has the better kickoff results in terms of touchbacks.

    Sorry but I find the entire analysis [B]very slanted to try and make this look like an upgrade when it just isn't[/B].

    Not going to cry over Feely leaving but Folk is a big roll of the dice right now.[/QUOTE]

    Totally, that's why I don't take bleacher report seriously - the standard of writing is all over the place. Here @ JI the feedback is instantaneous and often scathing, much better stuff.

    I also hope Folk proves us wrong and hits the high notes again or he'll be run out of town.

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    [QUOTE=SMC;3551611]And the 50 yarder in the 2nd half. And the Atlanta game. And the Seattle game when he was with the Giants.

    Feely has a long history of choking.

    Remember, he was sitting at home week 1 of the 2008 season because no one wanted him. Nugent's injury led to his signing with the Jets.[/QUOTE]

    yeah he msised a 52 yarder, that is not one he's expected to make.

    Against Atl ONE of the 3 kicks was his fault, it's his fault there was a bad snap? it's his fault the Atl defender got great pentetraion on the block?

    You are bringing up a game from 2005 w/ the Giants?:funnyguy:

    who cares if he was home week 1 of 2008? he's done nothing but good things for us since we picked him up. No offesne but that is one weak argument.

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    excellent decision if it frees up a UFA position so that we can sign a former DPOY to help the pass rush

    pass rusher>>>>>>>dime a dozen kicker

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    [QUOTE=nyjunc;3551867]yeah he msised a 52 yarder, that is not one he's expected to make.

    Against Atl ONE of the 3 kicks was his fault, it's his fault there was a bad snap? it's his fault the Atl defender got great pentetraion on the block?

    You are bringing up a game from 2005 w/ the Giants?:funnyguy:

    who cares if he was home week 1 of 2008? he's done nothing but good things for us since we picked him up. No offesne but that is one weak argument.[/QUOTE]

    +1 It seems like some posters here feel like they got to sh*t on Feely because he is not a Jet anymore.

    You can complain about 1 FG he missed in the playoffs that he was expected to make, and compare that to the other kickers that we faced in the first two rounds.

    Graham and Kaeding are known as two of the top kickers in the NFL but Feely out performed them without a doubt and without Jay we dont beat CIN or SD.

    He did alot for the Jets and had one of the best performances in Jets history for an kicker this year, not to mention the he has the Jets record for consecutive FG makes as well.

    Feely is replaceable just like everyone else, but lets be real about his time here with the Jets and give credit where credit is due.

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