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    The Infamous Leon Johnson Halfback Pass

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    Remember this game like it was yersterday. Last game of the 1997 season. If we win, we go from 1-15 the previous season to 10-6 and a playoff berth. Barry Sanders was going for 2000 yards in this game. What people don't remember when they talk about this play is that the call would have been reversed if there was instant replay back then. I still can't believe that ref messed up this call when he was standing right there. This game still haunts me all these years later.

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    Sorry mods, could you move this to the football forum.

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    [QUOTE=Bugg Superstar;3624988][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8DTl4oodYs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8DTl4oodYs[/URL]

    Remember this game like it was yersterday. Last game of the 1997 season. If we win, we go from 1-15 the previous season to 10-6 and a playoff berth. Barry Sanders was going for 2000 yards in this game. What people don't remember when they talk about this play is that the call would have been reversed if there was instant replay back then. I still can't believe that ref messed up this call when he was standing right there. This game still haunts me all these years later.[/QUOTE]

    This was the first season I truly became a hardcore fan, at the ripe age of 8. I still remember getting newspaper clippings all the time and running through all the different standings and seedings to figure out the scenarios the Jets needed to happen to get in the playoffs. Good times.

    Thanks dad, it's been a lot of fun...

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    [URL="http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXQmKo2Ijp8&feature=related"]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXQmKo2Ijp8&feature=related[/URL]


    The NFL Primetime from the game is at the end of this video. I always put this loss on Parcells. The halfback pass and putting special teamer Ray Lucas in at quarterback were terrible calls. The refs also totally screwed us in this game.

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    [QUOTE=Bugg Superstar;3624996][URL="http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXQmKo2Ijp8&feature=related"]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXQmKo2Ijp8&feature=related[/URL]


    The NFL Primetime from the game is at the end of this video. I always put this loss on Parcells. The halfback pass and putting special teamer Ray Lucas in at quarterback were terrible calls. The refs also totally screwed us in this game.[/QUOTE]

    Parcells' playcalling in that game was laughable but in fairness to him he did a wonderful job that season overall turning this team and franchise around. Since 1997 it's been a lot easier being a Jets fan. Sure we've had epic collapses and some bad seasons but nowhere near the level mediocrity and ineptitude that plagued the Jets prior to 1997.

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    [QUOTE=Bugg Superstar;3624988][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8DTl4oodYs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8DTl4oodYs[/URL]

    Remember this game like it was yersterday. Last game of the 1997 season. If we win, we go from 1-15 the previous season to 10-6 and a playoff berth. Barry Sanders was going for 2000 yards in this game. What people don't remember when they talk about this play is that the call would have been reversed if there was instant replay back then. I still can't believe that ref messed up this call when he was standing right there. This game still haunts me all these years later.[/QUOTE]
    this game truly sucked..

    i watched for about a 60 seconds before i knew i had now interest in rehashing maybe parcells biggest ego trip ever!!

    i hope bill still loses sleep over that jackass call..

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    Parcells made those calls with Leon Johnson and Ray Lucas because he didn't trust Neil O'Donnell. It bit us in the ass anyway!

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    [QUOTE=Bugg Superstar;3624988][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8DTl4oodYs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8DTl4oodYs[/URL]

    Remember this game like it was yersterday. Last game of the 1997 season. If we win, we go from 1-15 the previous season to 10-6 and a playoff berth. Barry Sanders was going for 2000 yards in this game. What people don't remember when they talk about this play is that the call would have been reversed if there was instant replay back then. I still can't believe that ref messed up this call when he was standing right there. This game still haunts me all these years later.[/QUOTE]

    wtf was with the ref? And is O'Donnell kidding? He was ****ting himself.

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    [QUOTE=VincenzoTestaverde;3624999]Parcells' playcalling in that game was laughable but in fairness to him he did a wonderful job that season overall turning this team and franchise around. Since 1997 it's been a lot easier being a Jets fan. Sure we've had epic collapses and some bad seasons but nowhere near the level mediocrity and ineptitude that plagued the Jets prior to 1997.[/QUOTE]
    completely true on all counts..

    but just based on memory, didn't o'donnell just before the the johnson pick (that was not a real pick by the way) complete a 40 something yard bomb to chrebet to set up first & goal??

    bill hated o'donnell & to this day i think he wanted to show the football world how clever he was with that ass backwards halfback pass..

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    Parcells did do a great job overall in 1997. However, what made his playcalling so bad in this game was his personal dislike for O'Donnell. While I never really thought much of O'Donnell either, the one thing he didn't a lot of was throw interceptions. There is no way, in that situation, that you take the ball out of his hands and let Leon Johnson or a totally raw Ray Lucas throw the ball. The season and the playoffs were on the line.

    And yes, the official totally blew the intereception call.

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    In a sense, Parcells dislike for O'Donnell led the way for Foley to start in 98 which eventually led to Vinny T having his magical season!!

    The second worse halfback pass was attempted at home against Baltimore in 2004 when Quincy Carter was in for Chad. We had the Ravens basically out of that game and right before halftime, we try this play and Ed Reed takes it back. I don't think he actually scored a TD but they at least got points and turned the momentum around. The best halfback pass was curtis martin to wayne chrebet in tampa....game winner!!

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    [QUOTE=VincenzoTestaverde;3624999]Parcells' playcalling in that game was laughable but in fairness to him he did a wonderful job that season overall turning this team and franchise around. Since 1997 it's been a lot easier being a Jets fan. Sure we've had epic collapses and some bad seasons but nowhere near the level mediocrity and ineptitude that plagued the Jets prior to 1997.[/QUOTE]

    +1........Right on the money

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    It should probably be a clause in all Jet coaches' contracts absolutely forbidding the half back pass. The other horrid one was LaMont's pass against the Ravens in 06' (I think). Completely changed that game that we ultimately lost in OT.

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    If that exact scenario happened with today's rules it would've been an incomplete pass because he didn't have control of the football. Did we really have a shot at beating Denver,Pittsburgh, or Jacksonville in 97 though?

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    [QUOTE=Bugg Superstar;3624988][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8DTl4oodYs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8DTl4oodYs[/URL]

    Remember this game like it was yersterday. Last game of the 1997 season. If we win, we go from 1-15 the previous season to 10-6 and a playoff berth. Barry Sanders was going for 2000 yards in this game. What people don't remember when they talk about this play is that the call would have been reversed if there was instant replay back then. I still can't believe that ref messed up this call when he was standing right there. [B]This game still haunts me all these years later[/B].[/QUOTE]

    With the Mud Bowl, Gastineu Helmet Slap, Buddy Punchout; Fake Spike, Denver, Vinny's Achilles, Baltimore Special Teams, and Doug Brien in last 30 yrs how could the Leon Johnson game be the one that haunts you?

    Considering that 1998 was such a better year than 1997, I remember that game clearly but it was but a footnote. If you really think about it, all those other games I mentioned were an end of an era-type loss.

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    [QUOTE=crasherino;3625088]It should probably be a clause in all Jet coaches' contracts absolutely forbidding the half back pass. The other horrid one was LaMont's pass against the Ravens in 06' (I think). Completely changed that game that we ultimately lost in OT.[/QUOTE]

    curtis martin was 2-for-2 with 2 tds and 26 yds. but yaa lamont's was ill-advised..ed reed, ever hear of him?

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    The refs asking for the crowd to be quiet so we could run a play = :barney:

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    that has to be one of the worst call every by a ref. He was 3 feet away looking right at the play. How could anybody miss that call?

    To me I always felt that the refs wanted Barry to get his 2000 yards and were playing favorites to the home town team. If the Jets score there the Lions would most likely have to throw the ball to catch up with out it Lions can pound Barry and run out the clock.

    Anyone remember the Lions LB that broke his neck tackling Murrell in this game. Huge delay. Perfect example of why you keep your head up when tackling.

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    [QUOTE=jets31;3625227]that has to be one of the worst call every by a ref. He was 3 feet away looking right at the play. How could anybody miss that call?
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    To me, this is the problem with instant replay now. Too often it's there to correct utter incompetence. More refs/ups/officials should be fined or suspended for awful calls.

    That call in question was ridiculous. People claim that the Vinny helmet play led to instant replay, but it was the constant incompetent officiating that led to it. The helmet play was hard to see in the pile. On the Johnson play, what was the excuse?

    The guy is juggling the ball all the way onto the white of the sidelines and only catches the ball out of bounds. This is not a judgment call. This is not a split second call. This is a "I'm not mentally incompetent" call.

    Correcting that should not be the purpose of instant replay. It's there to correct calls which were hard to make with the naked eye because of the speed of the game or obstructed view.

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    The best thing about that game is it ended the disco era uniform:yes:

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