I would offer the Mariners Vasquez or Burnett (their choice) and Gary Sanchez or Austine Romine (their choice)
1. You Gotta Give Quality to acquire this caliber SP, so spare me the crocodile tears over Sanchez or Romine
2. We can afford to deal a blue chip catching prospect because we're dealing from strength (loaded at catcher)
3. If they want the blue chip young catcher as they reportedly do, they have to take the Vasquez or Burnett contract
Ham why don't you seem to understand this?
Why would the Mariners trade for a rental in Vazquez? and why the hell would they want to take on Burnett's contract? The Mariners are holding all the cards, they are not competing this year, so them taking on money makes 0 sense. If they wanted to pay someone a lot of money, why wouldn't they just hold on to Lee? and take the draft picks after the season.
Austin Romine and Eduardo Nunez and or a pitcher would probably get us Lee. I doubt they would want Gary Sanchez, he's 17 years old in the Gulf Coast League. I wouldn't do that off course. I want Lee... after the season.
Last edited by Tyler Durden; 06-29-2010 at 09:48 PM.
I think a lot of the recent trouble had to do with steroids, that's my guess, because there was never a big problem with young pitchers blowing their arms out until the steroids era (Prior, Wood, Liriano, Gagne, etc.) ... that's when this became a big problem, but with roids out of the game I don't think you'll see as many young pitchers breaking down.
Here is thread with a whole list of pitchers who's careers stalled or ended because of overuse. Obviously Sandy Koufax stands out. His career ended at age 30. And cocaine gets too much blame for Dwight Gooden's demise. The Mets ran him into the ground.
Last edited by Tyler Durden; 06-29-2010 at 09:52 PM.
BTW, Nolan Ryan has taken the opposite approach with his young pitchers in Texas
He wants them throwing more innings, not less ... the way he and his peers did it as young pitchers, which is something Jim Kaat always advocated on the air as well ... so now it will be interesting to see if it backfires
The theory isn't based on absolute total innings. It's on progressive buildup of innings. Meaning a guy who throws 120 in year 1 should not jump right up to 200 the next season. Because years and years of data have proven that significantly increases a pitcher's risk.
You're off on your Nolan Ryan thing a bit too. Ryan's change of approach is focused much more on throwing more pitches. In his estimation, the 100 pitch limit is nothing but a number with no real basis other than being a nice round milestone number. So he's throwing that out the window. But he's not going to have a guy double his inning output from one year to the next. He knows better than that.
Don't act like the you have to school me, cause you happen to be wrong.
No you're wrong. You don't understand that a team that is rebuilding is not going to trade for an expiring contract. They are the one's trading expiring contracts, not the other way around. They want prospects or young players on rookie contracts. Someone they can rebuild with. It's not complicated.
Last edited by Tyler Durden; 06-29-2010 at 10:27 PM.
And again, if they have to take Vasquez for a few months to get the other two for the long haul, why not?
What does it cost them?
Answer: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
They wouldn't take him for a few months, they would trade him for more prospects. If Romine and Nunez are going to Seattle for Lee, Vazquez wouldn't be involved. We could trade Vazquez to the Mets or someone else who could use him for a postseason run.
Last edited by Tyler Durden; 06-29-2010 at 10:38 PM.