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    Jets players prefer Clemens over Brunell as No.2 QB

    [QUOTE]BY MANISH MEHTA

    Don't expect the Jets’ players to do backflips if Mark Brunell takes over as the team’s No. 2 quarterback this season.

    A Daily News poll of more than a dozen starters revealed that the overwhelming majority favored Kellen Clemens over the 17-year veteran if Mark Sanchez misses any time in 2010.

    The Jets can’t sign Brunell, who visited the team’s training facility in April, until the “Final Eight” rule is lifted on July 22 or they lose one of their own unrestricted free agents.

    "Brunell? Isn't he like 50 years old?" said one player of the three-time Pro Bowl signal caller, who will turn 40 in September.

    "I didn't even know Brunell was still in the league until we played them last year," said another player of the former Saints’ backup, who filed for bankruptcy last week and is a reported $24.7 million in debt after failed real estate ventures.

    Although most of the players agreed that Brunell would be a good mentor for Sanchez, they felt he had very little to offer on the field at this stage of his career. Brunell has only one start and 30 pass attempts in the past three seasons. He has just one more start (10) than Clemens (9) in the past four years.

    Even Tom Coughlin, who coached Brunell for eight seasons in Jacksonville, passed on the veteran this offseason when he was looking for a backup for Eli Manning.

    Some Jets players also expressed concern over offensive line adjustments that would be needed to protect a left-handed quarterback. They firmly believe that Clemens, who signed a $1.1 million restricted free agent tender in the offseason, is the better option despite his career 4-5 record as a starter in four seasons. (Clemens won his only start for an injured Sanchez last year in Tampa).

    “Nobody knows this offense as well as Kellen,” tight end Dustin Keller said. “If anything would ever happen to Mark, we know we have a solid guy that will go in there and knows all the checks. He doesn’t have to get all the reps (in practice) to learn this stuff, because he already knows everything.”

    From the surprising Brett Favre trade to the draft-day deal to move up for Sanchez, Clemens, who looked shaky at times during minicamp last week, has seen it all during his tenure with the Jets. The team was willing to trade him before the draft, but didn’t find any acceptable offers.

    “He’s handled himself like a pro,” one player said. “I think we can win with him in there. We don’t need Brunell.”

    Even so, it appears as if Brunell's arrival is a fait accompli.

    Last month, Rex Ryan raved about Brunell, who backed up Drew Brees during the Saints' Super Bowl run last season. Brees likely gave close friend Brian Schottenheimer a glowing recommendation.

    “He’s really a class act,” Ryan said of Brunell last month. “He wants to go into coaching when he’s done playing. I think that’s a good thing. If he came here, it’s not like he’s coming here to be our starting quarterback. We were interested in him. I think he would have been a good mentor to our guys.”

    NOTE:
    Former Raiders' QB JaMarcus Russell isn't likely to become a Jet. There's a less than 10 percent chance that the former No. 1 overall pick will be wearing green and white, according to a league source. The Jets made one exploratory call to Russell's agent, but talks aren't expected to continue beyond that.[/QUOTE]

    Well I guess they do have a point...but Clemens is still horrible, he will come in the game just to throw a pick.

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    Despite Clemens consistently making me feel like an idiot for having any faith in him, I'd still much rather have him as a backup than Brunell.

    If Brunell wants to come here as an Ass't QBs coach, by all means, come on board. I don't get the whole "he'll be a great mentor to Sanchez" concept. May have paid off somewhat last year, but this year, more than anything, we need a backup who could lead this team to victory in 1-3 games in the event of an injury.

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    the players have their own agenda, i.e. if the Jets pay Brunnell his vet minimum that's a million dollars less for them. If the Jets keep cheap Kellen Clemens it's status quo.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;3636918]the players have their own agenda, i.e. if the Jets pay Brunnell his vet minimum that's a million dollars less for them. If the Jets keep cheap Kellen Clemens it's status quo.[/QUOTE]

    What's the vet minimum for a guy with 20 yrs (or somewhere close to that) of service? I don't think its more than $1 million.

    Edit: Just looked it up - its $860K, which is about $250K LESS than what Clemens is scheduled to make

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    Clemens is terrible.

    I'd take just about anyone over him as our backup. Rex already implied that KC is no longer on the team at a press conference last month.

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    Thankfully the players don't make the personnel decisions.

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    We are not going to win with either guy at the helm. maybe the Jets should focus on bringing in a backup who has a chance to win games. A guy like gradkowski was out there at one point. He would have been good.

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    I don't want Clemens or Brunell as the backup.

    Why not let Ainge and McConnell have a shot? They can't be any worse. If you want a veteran QB, why not take a look at Josh McCown? He's much better than Brunell or Clemens.

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    [QUOTE=crasherino;3636950]What's the vet minimum for a guy with 20 yrs (or somewhere close to that) of service? I don't think its more than $1 million.

    Edit: Just looked it up - its $860K, which is about $250K LESS than what Clemens is scheduled to make[/QUOTE]

    well then... there you have it... yet another cost saving move by the NYJ. this assumes brunnell will sign for vet minimum. He might not.l

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;3636970]well then... there you have it... yet another cost saving move by the NYJ. this assumes brunnell will sign for vet minimum. He might not.l[/QUOTE]

    :rolleyes:



    :rolleyes:



    :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=sourceworx;3636967]I don't want Clemens or Brunell as the backup.

    Why not let Ainge and McConnell have a shot? They can't be any worse. If you want a veteran QB, why not take a look at Josh McCown? He's much better than Brunell or Clemens.[/QUOTE]

    +1 i find it hard to believe the jets will bring in Brunell as their 2..as usuall it's the uninformed media throwing darts @ the board hoping something will stick. Brunell would come in as a #3 or emergency QB is my guess...but yes..dump Clemens, put in Ainge..the whole "he knows the offense" is just as offensive as Chad's "intangibles". tired of this guy.

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    [QUOTE]“If anything would ever happen to Mark, we know we have a solid guy that will go in there and knows all the checks."[/QUOTE]

    [B]Week 14
    @TB
    12-23
    111 yards
    1 strip sack on himself[/B]

    ^^That was against the 3rd worst team in the NFL.

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    Of the players' comments, the one that should really resonate is the one about the change in protections if a lefty is at QB. While I think the team would adjust quickly, it's definitely relevant that Woody then becomes the blind-side protector which could be a pretty big adjustment if Brunell was called upon for a long period of time.

    Add Brunell's lack of knowledge about the offense, and you could have failed pre-snap adjustments that get him killed. Hard to win games that way.

    I think Clemens peaked in '07, but I believe he's currently the best option of the four QBs in question. I'm definitely hoping that Ainge does something in the preseason to change that thought, but too much weight is put on Clemens' awful performance against TB. He hadn't started a game in almost two seasons, and the last time he saw extensive action before that he did win two more games (in fewer opportunities) than Pennington did with the same squad.

    I could see Clemens hitting his groove much faster than the other three options if a backup was to be called on for several weeks. Then again, if they need a backup for several weeks, the Jets better have clinched something.

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    I'd much rather have Clemens as the backup than some fossil who hasn't done anything significant in several years. What could Brunell possibly bring to the team?

    No to JaMarcus. No to Brunell.

    Just stick it out with what we've got. It's not like they're going to win the SB if Sanchez misses half the season anyways.

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    i don't see what advantage brunell brings as a qb but if he signs as a player/coach maybe there's something to be gained.

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    [QUOTE=sameoldjets;3637064]i don't see what advantage brunell brings as a qb but if he signs as a [B][U]player/coach[/U][/B] maybe there's something to be gained.[/QUOTE]

    [B][U]ITS ALL ABOUT DEVELOPING SANCHEZ[/U][/B].

    Sanchez has started more games than Kellen and knows the system/offense better. Brunell wouldn't have a hard time picking up any system at this point in his career. KC would ace a written test on B Schotts offense but he consistently fails to actually look like he knows what hes doing on the field.

    Brunell most recently sat behind Brees (the best in the game IMO) for the past two seasons and has been playing the game since 1993. He would offer Chez almost a decade and a half of experience along with a wealth of knowledge that few current QBs can offer.

    I really would prefer this signing over keeping a crap player who's contract expires anyway.

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    When does someone post the "Let's bring Chad in" thread....

    OH Thank god he is signed..for the time being. How long til he gets waived?

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    [QUOTE=dassin;3636979][B]Week 14
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    111 yards
    1 strip sack on himself[/B]

    ^^That was against the 3rd worst team in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah...but he managed the game.....:rolleyes:

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    I think Ainge could be a viable second stringer.

    I'd rather have him play than Brunell or Clemens.

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    [QUOTE=Joe W. Namath;3636962]We are not going to win with either guy at the helm. maybe the Jets should focus on bringing in a backup who has a chance to win games. A guy like gradkowski was out there at one point. He would have been good.[/QUOTE]

    Gradkowski has won 5 of his 16 starts and has been on 3 teams in 4 years in the League even the Raiders dumped his butt..

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