View Poll Results: Which loss is more painful for Cleveland fans?

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  • Losing their beloved Cleveland Browns to Baltimore

    40 67.80%
  • Losing King James, an Ohio native, who chooses to leave with no championships

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Thread: If you're a Cleveland sports fan, which is the bigger loss...

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    If you're a Cleveland sports fan, which is the bigger loss...

    [SIZE="6"][B]The Cleveland Browns[/B][/SIZE]

    [IMG]http://nachodonut.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/cleveland_browns_helmet-logo.jpg[/IMG]

    Art Modell moves the Browns to Baltimore in 1996.

    [QUOTE]While the City of Cleveland, Ohio agreed to improve Municipal Stadium, Modell issued a public moratorium on discussions relating to the stadium issue or the future of his franchise. It was during this time that Modell entered into secret discussions with the State of Maryland to move the franchise to Baltimore for the 1996 season. The announcement of the move occurred several days before the public referendum on the extension of the sin tax that would fund the improvements on Municipal Stadium as Modell had originally requested. Some say that the timing of the announcement was to cause the referendum to go down in defeat and thus allow Modell to make the case that he was not receiving the public support he needed to remain viable in Cleveland.

    The reaction in Cleveland was, not surprisingly, very hostile. Modell had promised numerous times never to move the team. The Brooklyn native mentioned numerous times how saddened and betrayed he and other Brooklynites had felt when the Dodgers moved to Los Angeles in 1957, he had publicly criticized the Baltimore Colts move to Indianapolis and he had testified in favor of the NFL in court cases where the league unsuccessfully tried to stop Al Davis from moving the Oakland Raiders from Oakland to Los Angeles.[/QUOTE]


    [SIZE="6"][B]LeBron James[/B][/SIZE]

    [IMG]http://hondajvx.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/lebron-james.jpg[/IMG]

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    100% the Cleveland Browns moving.

    You can't compare a whole franchise (a beloved one with a huge history in that city) to a player, no matter how great he ever was.

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    the poll needs a number 3

    3) Signing Eric Morongini to be the HC and allowing him to trade away the #5 selection in the 2009 draft and Braylon Edwards for a late first round pick, a second round pick in 2009 and a third and fifth round pick in 2010 and Abram Elam, Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, Chansi Stucky and Jason Trusnick.

    on the exchange of those picks in 2009, the Jets got a franchise quarterback and Morongini ended up with a serviceable center

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    [QUOTE=sg3;3642555]the poll needs a number 3

    3) Signing Eric Morongini to be the HC and allowing him to trade away the #5 selection in the 2009 draft and Braylon Edwards for a late first round pick, a second round pick in 2009 and a third and fifth round pick in 2010 and Abram Elam, Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, Chansi Stucky and Jason Trusnick.

    on the exchange of those picks in 2009, the Jets got a franchise quarterback and Morongini ended up with a serviceable center[/QUOTE]

    No doubt, but that would go in a poll of Cleveland's dumbest moves, not necessarily their most painful. But boy, could those trades eventually be looked back on in hindsight with great scrutiny!

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    [QUOTE=MCBNY;3642540]100% the Cleveland Browns moving.

    You can't compare a whole franchise (a beloved one with a huge history in that city) to a player, no matter how great he ever was.[/QUOTE]

    ding ding ding

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    Losing the Browns without question.

    Unfortunately, losing LeBron is a strong No. 2.

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    The Browns, no doubt. You can't be a fan of something that doesn't exist. You will still be able to attend Cav's games with the other 500 fans, till they move to Newark.

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    I would have to say that all of these things pale in comparison to the misfortune of being born in Cleveland.

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    While I understand the emotion immediately after Lebron announced that he was taking his talent to South Beach, you can't compare losing a star as opposed to a whole franchise.

    If the New York Baseball Giants, for whatever reason, lost Willie Mays but stayed in New York I think their fans would have preferred that to losing the entire franchise to San Francisco.

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    the cavs were always a poor third when it comes to cleveland sports teams. realistically, there was just about zero chance of that team getting back to the finals even with lebron so it's not like he will be missed much.

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    damn Cleveland has to be the most unlucky sports town

    The Browns leaving,then getting back a new more crappier version of the Browns.
    The drive,the fumble.
    The Indians,losing the lead in the 9th against the Marlins in the 97 ws.Blowing a 3 to 1 series lead against the Sox in the 07 alcs.
    Losing CC and Lee and watch them be great in the playoffs with other teams
    Now Lebron leaving

    That's just a few not to mention the shot,the bust that was Tim Couch.Having that stacked Indians team in the 90's and winning nothing,and losing all of those players

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    [QUOTE=IHATEDOLPHINS;3643044]damn Cleveland has to be the most unlucky sports town

    The Browns leaving,then getting back a new more crappier version of the Browns.
    The drive,the fumble.
    The Indians,losing the lead in the 9th against the Marlins in the 97 ws.Blowing a 3 to 1 series lead against the Sox in the 07 alcs.
    Losing CC and Lee and watch them be great in the playoffs with other teams
    Now Lebron leaving

    That's just a few not to mention the shot,the bust that was Tim Couch.Having that stacked Indians team in the 90's and winning nothing,and losing all of those players[/QUOTE]

    The Drive
    The Fumble

    ...The Decision

    Anytime anyone starts a sentence with, "What do you think about The..." people in Cleveland must cringe in horror!

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    [QUOTE=MCBNY;3642540]100% the Cleveland Browns moving.

    You can't compare a whole franchise (a beloved one with a huge history in that city) to a player, no matter how great he ever was.[/QUOTE]

    Lebron James was the Franchise...the team is done for years....now worse off than the Knicks in the east.

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    the really big difference IMO

    one team plays in the NFL which matters

    the other team plays in the NBA which NO-BO-DY gives a hoot about and which is about as competitive and meaningful in sports as the WWE

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    [QUOTE=sg3;3643129]the really big difference IMO

    one team plays in the NFL which matters

    the other team plays in the NBA which NO-BO-DY gives a hoot about and which is about as competitive and meaningful in sports as the WWE[/QUOTE]

    +1

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    I don't know a damn thing about the NBA but the way I have been led to understand it that this team losing Lebron is the same as losing the franchise..

    The team has no marketability anymore in it's economy stricken city..

    It will most likely have to move.. The only crowd over a thousand they will get this year is when Lebron or the Lakers come to town..

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    thank goodness the basketball season ends in the first week of April with the conclusion of the NCAA final four

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    Losing a team, the most popular team in the city, that had been around for about 50 years, is 100x more painful than losing a "superstar" who in only 7 years never won anything for the 3rd most popular team in the city.

    How anyone can vote for LeBron in this poll is beyond me.

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    Since professional basketball is a bloated, overpaid, overhyped, and fundamentally uninteresting sport due to the most money-grubbing, everybody gets in playoff system and crummy lottery, with giants playing in fishbowl, I'd have to say the Browns moving. Professional basketball will be like hockey in ten years. The media will have to work like used car salesmen to make it relevant.

    They should raise the basket to 11 feet, make the hoop smaller, make the court bigger, and require a tattoo free policy. That would help. ;)

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    [QUOTE=long island leprechaun;3643171]Since professional basketball is a bloated, overpaid, overhyped, and fundamentally uninteresting sport due to the most money-grubbing, everybody gets in playoff system and crummy lottery, with giants playing in fishbowl, I'd have to say the Browns moving. Professional basketball will be like hockey in ten years. The media will have to work like used car salesmen to make it relevant.

    They should raise the basket to 11 feet, make the hoop smaller, make the court bigger, and require a tattoo free policy. That would help. ;)[/QUOTE]

    Good points


    If the basket were 15 or 20 feet high, it would make for a game that requires some skill --

    but if you eliminated dunking, Shaq would have averaged 2 ponts a game for his entire career

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