its disingenuous to point at the Jets record vs the Cards record and call that the be all and end all of this discussion.
if the Jets had Derek Anderson, playing like he's playing right now, and the Cards had Mark Sanchez, playing like he's playing right now, the records would be different.
I've said this before that LG isn't that important to the grand scheme of things, and neither is FS, and if these are our biggest problems, it's a stacked team...
but let's look closely at the replacements.
Alan Faneca is one of that team's best players, believe it or not. It's a bad team but still. that coaching staff doesn't wake up monday morning cursing Alan Faneca.
Brodney Pool whiffed a couple times, while Kerry Rhodes had that team's only TD yesterday.
Slauson has been exposed but he's getting better. I still believe 2009 OL is better than 2010's OL. But it's been offset by improvement at QB position. And while Slauson is improving... I still don't believe he wins a straight up training camp competition with Faneca.
my point in all this is a player doesn't suddenly suck cause he's not a Jet. And a player isn't suddenly awesome cause the Jets play him. Pool and Slauson are acceptable but not as good as the players they replaced. That should be clear by now.
Last edited by bitonti; 10-04-2010 at 12:11 PM.
There is a reason that the rest of the league basically passed on him and he signed for only 2.5 million. If he didn't have the Grimm/Whisenhunt connection, he may have not been signed at all for anything close to 2 mill. They brought him in for the same reason we still have T Rich.
The ideas behind the release as I know them:
1.) Faneca is clearly a player in decline. With the guarantees in salary that he was due in 2011 and 2012 (He was originally signed to a 5year, $40 mill contract), he simply was NOT worth the money long term.
The Jets tried to get him to take a pay cut (i.e. Tanny and Rex AGREE with you that Faneca on the team would be worthwhile - just not at $7 million), but Faneca and his agent gambled on the $5mil guaranteed out of his 2010 $7 million salary that the Jets wouldn't have the balls to do that, and said no.
Turns out Tanny/Woody/Rex have more than sufficient balls to do that.
2.) With a declining Faneca on the roster, and with the "Core 4", plus B. Edwards, D.Keller, and several other players that they would like to keep, they decided to cut Faneca in 2010, when all the guaranteed monies he was due would NOT hit a Salary Cap, thereby preventing the Jets from making some of these key resignings in the future.
Faneca, at SOME POINT, was going to be paid money to NOT be on the Jets. Management decided to take advantage of the un-capped year to do it NOW in 2010, rather than 1 or 2 years from now.
3.) Faneca on the team = $7 million
Faneca off the team = $5 million
Totally savings in cash outlay = $2 million - (cost of replacement O-line: in this case Slauson, who is getting 6th round draft pick money = minimal cost).
4.) Rumors have swirled around this message board that one of the reasons the Steelers let Faneca go was because he has a little bit of "Mawae/Kendall" disease. I don't know the truth of this, but to me, this is a "nail in the coffin" type deal, where if it is even a little bit true, I get him off my team with young impressionable players (Sanchez, Mangold, D'brick, S.Greene, D.Keller, etc) as fast as possible.
Personally, I had the same initial reaction that you did (We paid a guy $5mil to NOT be on the team? WTF?).
But after reading about the Salary Cap implications, thinking about his declining play (particularly in regards to pass blocking, where he has turned into a TOTAL turnstile), and considering the other YOUNG guys that I would MUCH rather see resigned long term over giving money to Faneca (D. Harris, Edwards, Cromartie, Holmes, Keller) and I learned to accept it as a good business AND football decision.
4 weeks into the season, it seems like Tanny and Co. have once again vindicated to the universe why they are in charge, while you and I are NOT in charge.
From an Arizona Cardianls blog:
It is amazing how the following issues add up to equal our current situation. Let’s be objective and honest….talent evlauation and personell planning and coaching is hurting this team.
I have been a fan since 1988, but we have to be objective about the real issues if they are going to be fixed. Especially the issues that no one wants to really say or be truthful about.
Issue #1: Taking care of old Steeler players that are past their prime.
Issue #2: Brandon Keith is not a legitimate starting right tackle.
Issue #3: Not getting a legitimate NFL QB is Graves fault. The organization should have made the Leinart decision back in March. They knew back then that the players did not support Leinart…..they know the truth…whether they will admit it or not. Whisenhunt woul have gotten rid of him long ago, but the Bidwells wanted to see their investment play. Derek Anderson and two rookies = losing season. This is a monumnetal organizational failure that could cause the AZ Cards to lose all of its positive momentum.
Issue #4: OLB Speed – No pash rush due to two old steeler OLB’s that have no speed. Technique and discipline for outside containment is horrible. Joey Porter is getting beat and not tackling… and Haggans is overpursuing. No depth behind them to help…..player personnel failure. And I thought Bertrand and Chike were old.
Issue #5: Billy Davis failed in SF. Now he is failing here. Norv Turner exposed him. The safties should have never been up on the LOS against Gates. Countless Bad defensive schematic decisions. Run defense is an attitude…Davis is not getting his guys ready to play…the defense looks sad.
Issue #6: Punt Returns….Andre roberts looks scared.
Issue #7: Penalties: we are the most heavily penalized team since 2007. That is squarely on Whisenhunt. Penalties = no discipline.
Issue #8: We have no identity with our offensive philosophy. The running game has been decent….they need to continue to run the ball out of every formation possible.
Issue #9: Kurt Warner covered for a lot of our team’s weaknesses.
Issue #10: Alan Faneca needs to be replaced with Rex Hadnot. Watch the film he is getting repeatedly beat on passing plays.
Issue #11: Free agency was weak this year. So that hurt us.
Issue #12: No Pass rush….non-existent. If campbell & docket are so great…then where is the production. Porter is at best a situational pash rusher now. Parcells knew this..which is why he let him go. We need young LB’s. Cody Brown is an example of talent evaluation failure at a position of need. obrien Schofield has potential, but the knee is a major risk.
Issue #13: WR injuries…Fitz, Breaston, Doucet.
Issue #14: Season ticket sales are going to drop off next year…either due to a work stoppage or because the team has digressed. Maybe playing in the NFC West will help.
Just my thoughts…There were other comments, and a Cardinals' message board had more. Not one Cardinal fan whose comments I read had anything positive to say about Faneca.Ok, this was just ugly! What the hell was Whiz thinking when he made DA our starting QB. Why didn’t we try and get the other veterans that were out there? FIRE Bill Davis, Cut Brandon Keith, DA, and Faneca. We all have seen that Faneca’s pro bowl days are over and seriously why is Keith still in the line up? We have a horrible O Line and MAAAAANNNN our Defense SUCKS. I’m so disappointed in our team and Whiz. We really have to thank KURT and T. HALEY because without those two we would have never won back to back division titles. One think I’m tired of is Whiz always saying we’re improving!!!!!!! REALLY!!! This is twice we have been blown out in the first four games. I can’t wait to see what the Saints have in store for us……
OK, some more:
2) The offensive line: Faneca needs to be a back-up. There are reasons the Jets let him go and he is a liability at pass blocking. Rex Hadnot is better/meaner and appears to be very mobile based on his play in the preseason. Now Brandon Keith also seems overwhelmed and maybe Jermey Bridges can replace him. It is not a great fix but what choice do the cards have.BTW, Faneca sux…another bad coaching decision!Fortunately, Faneca’s contract is for only one year.
Last thing, Faneca DID get beat for at least 1 sack yesterday and could be credited with another. But even prior to yesterday's game where he gave up another sack (or multiple), Manish Mehta wrote this earlier last week:
Slauson said he has a long way to go to fill Alan Faneca's shoes. But the numbers suggest that he hasn't been a downgrade in pass protection.
According to ProFootballFocus.com, Faneca allowed six sacks, two hits and 15 pressures in 2009. In three games with the Cardinals this year, Faneca has given up one sack, one hit and an eye-opening 10 pressures on the quarterback. He gave up four pressures in Week 1, a sack, a hit and four pressures in Week 2 and a pair of pressures last week. His only penalty this season was declined.
By comparison, Slauson has allowed two sacks, no hits and one pressure on Sanchez, according to ProFootballFocus.com. Last week, he committed three penalties, including a pair of critical holding calls that wiped out a completion that would have given the Jets the ball at the Miami 5, and Sanchez's touchdown scramble.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jet...#ixzz11PQ28idG
He allowed 10 QB pressures in 3 games leading up to yesterday, and then gave up at minimum 1 sack yesterday and possible more.
Faneca is a trainwreck right now at this point in his career.
The top notch quality poster, who
1.) Talking out of one side of his face, says "Lets closely examine the replacements"
2.) And then talking out of the other side of his face he cherry-picks one good play and says "Rhodes was responsible for his team's only TD", without bothering to mention the other 59 mins of game time where Carrie Ann was getting beaten like a red-headed step child.
And doesn't even mention Faneca other than "coaches aren't waking up on Monday worrying about Faneca" - so apparently they aren't worrying about the ludicrous 10 pressures, 1 QB hit, and 1 sack he's given up already either BEFORE taking into account yesterday's 9 sack atrocity, of which I am sure Faneca has at least his fair share of suckage to contribute.
Last edited by Oldtime Jets fan; 10-04-2010 at 12:52 PM.
If Slauson plays like he did yesterday for the rest of the year, than it was clearly a good move. Freeing up money, developing a new, younger player is obviously important.
But, JMO, yesterday's game was against the JV of the NFL. Slauson has been inconsistent. If he has more of his multiple holding calls and whiffs as the season goes by, it won't be as clear a picture.
I was not a fan of letting Faneca go, but I certainly hope I was wrong in that regard. I'm still not convinced just yet - but if next week yields the same or similar results, it will go a long long way to prove he belongs.
Last edited by Kentucky Jet; 10-04-2010 at 01:02 PM.