Stop making it so personal. I make less money, my health care costs have gone up and the amount I can put in my pension goes down when the economy isn't doing as well. I don't view this as anybody trying to get me, I view it as the reality that in a down economy my labor is worth less money.
At the end of the day we can afford what we can afford and the fact is municipalities, cities and states are going broke because their citizens can't afford tax increases when their income is going down.
Supply and demand matters even in the world of Public Unions. Less money means either you take less or less of you do more or you do something else.
We need fire and police but again how much of it depends on more than need, it depends on what we can afford and clearly in the current environment we can afford less than we could when things were great.
Everyone in the private sector who has a self directed pension had their retirenment payout reduced. The public sector is asking those same people to make up the difference in their pensions so they don't take less down the line.
Last edited by Winstonbiggs; 10-07-2010 at 01:16 PM.
It was wrong to gurantee the banks, Fannie and Freddie why should these under funded liabilities by guranteed?
When unemployment is high tax revenue falls and labor is worth less money.
Last edited by Winstonbiggs; 10-07-2010 at 04:14 PM.
You don't get the issue here.
Libertarians advocate that all public services, fire, police, ems, etc. should be private organizations that citizens pay for.
This local Tennesse fire department is government organization, that the citizens already pay for, why the hell should they have to pay an additional fee for the fire department to assist them?
Plenty of businesses use private carting companies to remove their trash instead of the City.
It's not as bad as you think. I walk my dog at all kinds of hours, and on the main drag of my neighborhood in Brooklyn, you can see over 10 different garbage trucks prowling the streets on trash night.
It doesn't bother anyone and this has been in effect for decades in NYC.
It's the fendamental answer to every question for a guy like Bit.
Answer: More Government, Higher Taxes.
There is no problem for which Governement is not the solution for the Bitonti's of the world. A VERY Euro ideal.
another shortcoming of libertarianism
Tennessee family home burns while firefighters watch
A Tennessee couple helplessly watched their home burn to the ground, along with all of their possessions, because they did not pay a $75 annual fee to the local fire department.
Vicky Bell told the NBC affiliate WPSD-TV that she called 911 when her mobile home in Obion County caught fire. Firefighters arrived on the scene but as the fire raged, they simply stood by and did nothing. "In an emergency, the first thing you think of, 'Call 9-1-1," homeowner Bell said. However, Bell and her husband were forced to walk into the burning home in an attempt to retrieve their own belongings. "You could look out my mom's trailer and see the trucks sitting at a distance," Bell said. "We just wished we could've gotten more out."
South Fulton Mayor David Crocker defended the fire department, saying that if firefighters responded to non-subscribers, no one would have an incentive to pay the fee. Residents in the city of South Fulton receive the service automatically, but it is not extended to those living in the greater county-wide area.
"There's no way to go to every fire and keep up the manpower, the equipment, and just the funding for the fire department," Crocker said.
The South Fulton policy produced precisely the same nightmare scenario last year, when homeowner Gene Cranick--who had likewise failed to pay the $75 annual fee for rural Obion County residents--saw his house engulfed by flames as South Fulton firefighter watched close by. That incident sparked a debate among conservative pundits over the limits of fee-for-service approaches to government.
For his part, Mayor Crocker stressed that the city's firefighters will help people in danger, even those who haven't paid the fee. "After the last situation, I would hope that everybody would be well aware of the rural fire fees, this time," Crocker said.
As for the article the way I read it is that in town people don't pay yearly outside of taxes. This was a special deal for out of town, rural protection. We have some towns like that here in Northern NJ. The town pays the next town for fire and school and the state for police. It works when the number of houses can't pay for their own departments.
The flaw in this instance is showing up and watching the house burn. There is nothing Libertarian about that. Charging after the fact is Libertarian but the fire department wouldn't accept that option and should be charged with negligence under the good samaritan laws.
In my area we have many "vollunteer" fire departments but towns are close together so often the pay department from the next town over gets there first. No one stands around watching anything burn. Also the volunteers do get support from the town such as paying for the building repairs or help buying new trucks.
One of the tenants of libertarianism is individualism and the ability to take care of yourself. These people expected a free government handout in the form of water to put out their burning double-wide.
Where do we draw a line? Should every get FREE fire extinguishing care? Or should people pull themselves up by the bootstraps and put out their own fires?
In this case, government worked perfectly. The people only have themselves to blame.
there's a reason why libertarianism is well loved on the internet but abandoned in real life. It doesn't really work.
for as bad as the current capitalism D/R two party system is... for all you hate about it
Libertarianism is actually worse. It's basically anarchy under the guise of self-responsibility.