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Thread: Shortcomings of Libertarianism

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4267721]there's a reason why libertarianism is well loved on the internet but abandoned in real life. It doesn't really work.

    for as bad as the current capitalism D/R two party system is... for all you hate about it

    Libertarianism is actually worse. It's basically anarchy under the guise of self-responsibility.[/QUOTE]

    [B][U]The Bitonti Socialist Credo:[/U][/B]

    1. You can't handle it.
    2. The Individual is weak, powerless and evil. The Individual is the enemy.
    3. Only the collective matters.
    2. Only Govt. Can Handle the Collectives Problems. Only Government is the Answer to all problems.
    3. Bow Before the Government, Government knows and does best. Liberty is a myth, true Liberty is serving the Collective.
    4. It's all or nothing, either the warm saefty of an all-powerful Government, or total anarchy. Pick now.

    This consistent viewpoint says so much, about so much, I simply have to stare in awe at it.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4267747]hmm more laws... sounds very un-libertarian[/QUOTE]

    That is a law that have been existing for a long time not a new one.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4267772][B][U]The Bitonti Socialist Credo:[/U][/B]

    1. You can't handle it.
    2. The Individual is weak, powerless and evil. The Individual is the enemy.
    3. Only the collective matters.
    2. Only Govt. Can Handle the Collectives Problems. Only Government is the Answer to all problems.
    3. Bow Before the Government, Government knows and does best. Liberty is a myth, true Liberty is serving the Collective.
    4. It's all or nothing, either the warm saefty of an all-powerful Government, or total anarchy. Pick now.

    This consistent viewpoint says so much, about so much, I simply have to stare in awe at it.[/QUOTE]

    I agree warfish, individuals should be putting out their own fires. Power to the people.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4267840]I agree warfish, individuals should be putting out their own fires. Power to the people.[/QUOTE]

    More anorexic and sickly straw men, from the Lord of Straw Men.:rolleyes:

    [QUOTE=Bitonti](Ignoring Everything Anyone But Him Said) Libertarianism is Anarchy! La La La La La, I can't hear you, La La La La!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

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    It really doesn't get much dumber than this.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4267699]This wasn't a failure of government. This was a failure on the part of the homeowner.

    One of the tenants of libertarianism is individualism and the ability to take care of yourself. These people expected a free government handout in the form of water to put out their burning double-wide.

    Where do we draw a line? Should every get FREE fire extinguishing care? Or should people pull themselves up by the bootstraps and put out their own fires?

    In this case, government worked perfectly. The people only have themselves to blame.[/QUOTE]

    It's a failure of the local municipalities to establish a protocol/policy that allows fire professionals to respond to fires but not do anything about them. Libertarians believe in limited government, not wilderness. Infrastructure, public safety and basic services are not our enemies. We are not anarchists and these attempts to paint us as such are offensive at worst and intellectually disingenuous at best.

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    [QUOTE=Traitor Jay & the Woodies;4267932]We are not anarchists and these attempts to paint us as such are offensive at worst and intellectually disingenuous at best.[/QUOTE]

    Just as offensive as the way libertarians like to paint everyone else.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4267852]More anorexic and sickly straw men, from the Lord of Straw Men.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    I dont see this as a straw man. Libertarianism wants limited gov't and personal responsibility. a fire department in a small town, watching 2 houses burn down in the same year, that's what limited gov't and personal responsiblity gets ya. I didn't make up this story. it's all too real.

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4267805]That is a law that have been existing for a long time not a new one.[/QUOTE]

    good samaritan laws are about the safety and wellbeing of people... there are no good samaritan laws that say people have to help protect other people's houses.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4267937]Just as offensive as the way libertarians like to paint everyone else.[/QUOTE]

    Which would be how exactly?

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4267990]I dont see this as a straw man. Libertarianism wants limited gov't and personal responsibility. a fire department in a small town, watching 2 houses burn down in the same year, that's what limited gov't and personal responsiblity gets ya. I didn't make up this story. it's all too real.[/QUOTE]...wrong...they had a fire dept...they just wouldn't put out the fire...again how is that libertarian?

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4267990]I dont see this as a straw man. Libertarianism wants limited gov't and personal responsibility.[/quote]

    Yes.

    [QUOTE].... a fire department in a small town, watching 2 houses burn down in the same year, that's what limited gov't and personal responsiblity gets ya.[/QUOTE]

    No.

    [quote]I didn't make up this story. it's all too real.[/QUOTE]

    True, you didn't make it up.

    You just made up a laughably silly interpritation of it.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4268438]No.
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    So....is home fire extinguishing a human right? Should everyone be covered by fire protection available through local municipalities?

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4268477]So....is home fire extinguishing a human right? Should everyone be covered by fire protection available through local municipalities?[/QUOTE]

    No but if someone happens to pull up the equipment then they should either fight the fire or bring marshmallows.

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4268532]No but if someone happens to pull up the equipment then they should either fight the fire or bring marshmallows.[/QUOTE]

    So...under Libertarian Land rules, a person would call 911 and the operator would have to look up the address in their Fire Protection Database to see if the citizen qualifies for Enhanced Fire Protection Services


    [B]AND THEN[/B]



    the trucks would be dispatched to the location?

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4268578]So...under Libertarian Land rules, a person would call 911 and the operator would have to look up the address in their Fire Protection Database to see if the citizen qualifies for Enhanced Fire Protection Services


    [B]AND THEN[/B]



    the trucks would be dispatched to the location?[/QUOTE]

    Im so confused here.

    How the **** is it legal to have a firetruck sitting out front of a burning building and not fight it?

    What if there was an explosive compound in his garage. If it blows, people die, the city would never recover from the lawsuits.

    This is retarded to the fullest...

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4268578]So...under Libertarian Land rules, a person would call 911 and the operator would have to look up the address in their Fire Protection Database to see if the citizen qualifies for Enhanced Fire Protection Services


    [B]AND THEN[/B]



    the trucks would be dispatched to the location?[/QUOTE]

    I stand corrected on my earlier post.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4267772][B][U]The Bitonti Socialist Credo:[/U][/B]

    1. You can't handle it.
    2. The Individual is weak, powerless and evil. The Individual is the enemy.
    3. Only the collective matters.
    2. Only Govt. Can Handle the Collectives Problems. Only Government is the Answer to all problems.
    3. Bow Before the Government, Government knows and does best. Liberty is a myth, true Liberty is serving the Collective.
    4. It's all or nothing, either the warm saefty of an all-powerful Government, or total anarchy. Pick now.

    5. Resistance is futile.

    This consistent viewpoint says so much, about so much, I simply have to stare in awe at it.[/QUOTE]

    fixed. If you're gonna make it sound like the Borg, finish the thought. :yes:

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    I don't get what the whole argument here is about really. Very few of the conservatives on this site or conservatives in general are libertarians. Most republicans advocate the conservative social platform which itself is activist government and regulatory in nature it just regulates people not corporations.

    The so-called "moderate" republicans who say they are centrist or liberal on social issues still support the war on drugs which is the single-biggest waste of tax payer money the last 30 years and probably one of if not the biggest cause in the increase in the size of both the federal and state governments.

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    [QUOTE=TerminatorJet;4269128]I don't get what the whole argument here is about really. Very few of the conservatives on this site or conservatives in general are libertarians. Most republicans advocate the conservative social platform which itself is activist government and regulatory in nature it just regulates people not corporations.[/quote]

    I agree, the vast majority of Republicans/Conservatives are Social Conservatives, and just as evil as any Liberal when it comes to their desire to control the behavior of others, they simply have a different motivation.

    [quote]The so-called "moderate" republicans who say they are centrist or liberal on social issues still support the war on drugs[/quote]

    Um, no.

    [quote]which is the single-biggest waste of tax payer money the last 30 years[/quote]

    I'd say Iraq/Libya and Afghanistan were the biggest wastes of money, and the myriad social welfare programs (in the majority) as well, but the War of Drugs is a waste as well, aye.

    [quote]and probably one of if not the biggest cause in the increase in the size of both the federal and state governments.[/QUOTE]

    Really?

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