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    Moving toward the Middle?

    Will Dumbama move toward the center the way Clinton did, or is he too much of an ideologue?

    His "damn the torpedoes" attitude towards healthcare, stimulus, cap&trade seems to indicate no.

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    He's got no option; staying away from the middle will leave him with no legislative accomplishments at all.

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    "The mandate for change is directed at the other guys," said Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. "We are right where we have been."
    Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/11/0...#ixzz14QAoMNeH



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    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    Good for Mitch McConnell. The only time you hear cries for "compromise" (usually from the in-the-tank media) is when Republicans come into power. When democrats come into power, the media cries are "Yay, it's time for Change!" and "It's time for a new direction!" or in Obama's own words, "Screw you, I won."

    There is no compromise with the lion's share of Obama's radical agenda, because it's not possible. His health care boondoggle either includes the individual mandate to buy insurance (the core foundation of his policy), or it doesn't. There's no middle ground. On cap and trade, the government either taxes carbon emissions, or it doesn't. Again, there's no middle ground. Taxes may be the one area where compromise is possible, but without massive spending cuts, there's no way in hell Obama funds his programs without raising taxes. And if you think this congress is going to be able to come to any sort of "compromise" on taxes, you're high. Most of the dems who got tossed in the election were of the moderate, blue dog type, leaving pretty much only far-left democrats in power on one side of the aisle, and the more conservative-leaning, Tea-party inspired Republicans on the other. And with all indications that Obama believes that the only mistakes he made were poorly explaining his wonderful policies to the stupid unwashed Americans, there's no reason to believe that he'll fulfill one of his key campaign promises from '08, and reach across the aisle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakin318 View Post
    Good for Mitch McConnell. The only time you hear cries for "compromise" (usually from the in-the-tank media) is when Republicans come into power. When democrats come into power, the media cries are "Yay, it's time for Change!" and "It's time for a new direction!" or in Obama's own words, "Screw you, I won."

    There is no compromise with the lion's share of Obama's radical agenda, because it's not possible. His health care boondoggle either includes the individual mandate to buy insurance (the core foundation of his policy), or it doesn't. There's no middle ground. On cap and trade, the government either taxes carbon emissions, or it doesn't. Again, there's no middle ground. Taxes may be the one area where compromise is possible, but without massive spending cuts, there's no way in hell Obama funds his programs without raising taxes. And if you think this congress is going to be able to come to any sort of "compromise" on taxes, you're high. Most of the dems who got tossed in the election were of the moderate, blue dog type, leaving pretty much only far-left democrats in power on one side of the aisle, and the more conservative-leaning, Tea-party inspired Republicans on the other. And with all indications that Obama believes that the only mistakes he made were poorly explaining his wonderful policies to the stupid unwashed Americans, there's no reason to believe that he'll fulfill one of his key campaign promises from '08, and reach across the aisle.
    You can only go on what has happened in the past and the GOP was no more fiscally responsible than the Dems and this "radical" stuff is ridiculous.
    The GOP is already starting to fight with Bachman wanting to be a leader, good luck with that woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    You can only go on what has happened in the past and the GOP was no more fiscally responsible than the Dems and this "radical" stuff is ridiculous.
    The GOP is already starting to fight with Bachman wanting to be a leader, good luck with that woman.
    I'm not a big fan of the GOP. I will be if they can grow some balls and start showing fiscal conservatism, but I ain't holding my breath. If they smell the coffee and realize that they won because of the Tea Party's influence -- and not despite it -- they just may be able to get their heads out of their asses and get some meaningful things accomplished.

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    Obama acknowledges his message didn't get through

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is acknowledging in the wake of this week's election rout that he hasn't been able to successfully promote his economic-rescue message to anxious Americans.

    Obama says in an interview with CBS's "60 Minutes" that he "stopped paying attention" to the leadership style he displayed during his run for the presidency.

    Obama also said he recognizes now that "leadership is not just legislation," and that "it's a matter of persuading people. And giving them confidence and bringing them together. And setting a tone. And making an argument that people can understand."

    "And I think that - we haven't always been successful at that," he said. "And I take personal responsibility for that. And it's something that I've got to examine closely as I go forward."

    The president recorded the interview, to be broadcast in full with CBS's Steve Kroft on Sunday night, before leaving on a 10-day trip to Asia.

    Obama said that's the response he's giving to "some of my Democratic supporters who express some frustration."

    Obama's Democratic Party lost control of the House in Tuesday's midterm elections, as Republicans picked up a net gain of at least 60 seats, setting up a more divided government — or shared governance — in January, depending on the extent to which the two parties can reach accommodation on such vexing issues as the economy, energy, immigration, education and the war in Afghanistan.

    Democrats had held sway in both the House and Senate since the 2006 election. The balloting Tuesday also puts House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio into position to be the next speaker, succeeding California Democrat Nancy Pelosi. Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., seems set to take position of House majority leader.

    Democrats did retain control of the Senate, although their majority margin has been substantially decreased.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101105/..._retrospective

    so lets understand this...

    - its' not because he rammed through a $1trillion stimuloss package which he promised would keep unemployment at 8% and didn't come close to achieving...

    - its not because the unemployment number is hovering around 17% in large part because of his policies..

    - its' not because he promised obamacare would insure more people, reduce deficits and reduce health costs and premiums; which it has not...

    - its not because the majority of Americans agree with the Arizona immigration law and his knee jerk reaction was to drop a lawsuit on the state rather than work with the govenor...

    - its' not beacause he's the most racially divisive president of the past half century and act like a child along with his administration...

    its' because the citizens of this nation just didn't understand his message....this is like Joe Walton or Rich Kotite or Eric Mangini responding to a loss by saying, "the players didn't execute" which they always did...

    persuading people without giving the results promised is akin to brainwashing...

    anyone else think this arrogant, elitist has any desire to move to the center???
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    lol- the hypocrisy never stops from the ayatollah...

    Obama calls for compromise, won't budge on tax cuts

    Days after Democrats received a self-described "shellacking" at the polls, President Obama called for an end to campaigning and an embrace of compromise.

    But he signaled no willingness to bend on the first challenge likely to face him from a Republican House as he advocated the permanent extension of Bush-era tax cuts for families making less than $250,000 a year despite the GOP's resolve to extend the tax cuts for all income brackets.


    In his weekly address Saturday, Obama said that Democrats and Republicans not only agree on middle-class tax cuts but the need to rein in spending, and used this to try to drive his position on the tax cuts.

    "At a time when we are going to ask folks across the board to make such difficult sacrifices, I don’t see how we can afford to borrow an additional $700 billion from other countries to make all the Bush tax cuts permanent, even for the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans," the president said. "We’d be digging ourselves into an even deeper fiscal hole and passing the burden on to our children."

    Obama noted the importance of extending the tax cuts in the lame-duck session, but focused the address on digging in against the full extension sought by Republicans and some Democrats.

    "If Congress doesn’t act by New Year’s Eve, middle-class families will see their taxes go up starting on New Year’s Day," he warned.

    Obama noted the discontent of the country and the "compromise" that needs to take place between both parties.

    The president said that the "message was clear" from voters on Election Day, and that he was also "frustrated" by the sluggish pace of economic recovery. "You’re fed up with partisan politics and want results," Obama said. "I do too."

    Obama congratulated the victors that will make up the 112th Congress. "But now, the campaign season is over," he said.

    The new Congress would carry over responsibility to tackle the same challenges, he said.

    “This is a great opportunity to show everyone that we got the message and that we’re willing, in this post-election season, to come together and do what’s best for the country we all love.”
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ge-on-tax-cuts

    obama's compromise = do exactly what he wants....

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakin318 View Post
    Good for Mitch McConnell. The only time you hear cries for "compromise" (usually from the in-the-tank media) is when Republicans come into power. When democrats come into power, the media cries are "Yay, it's time for Change!" and "It's time for a new direction!" or in Obama's own words, "Screw you, I won."

    There is no compromise with the lion's share of Obama's radical agenda, because it's not possible. His health care boondoggle either includes the individual mandate to buy insurance (the core foundation of his policy), or it doesn't. There's no middle ground. On cap and trade, the government either taxes carbon emissions, or it doesn't. Again, there's no middle ground. Taxes may be the one area where compromise is possible, but without massive spending cuts, there's no way in hell Obama funds his programs without raising taxes. And if you think this congress is going to be able to come to any sort of "compromise" on taxes, you're high. Most of the dems who got tossed in the election were of the moderate, blue dog type, leaving pretty much only far-left democrats in power on one side of the aisle, and the more conservative-leaning, Tea-party inspired Republicans on the other. And with all indications that Obama believes that the only mistakes he made were poorly explaining his wonderful policies to the stupid unwashed Americans, there's no reason to believe that he'll fulfill one of his key campaign promises from '08, and reach across the aisle.

    Uhh.. Obama ran on the principle of a health care plan with a public option. His "obama-care" didnt include the public option that Republicans were against. That is "compromise". What are the Republicans going to compromise on????

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyo7 View Post
    Uhh.. Obama ran on the principle of a health care plan with a public option. His "obama-care" didnt include the public option that Republicans were against. That is "compromise". What are the Republicans going to compromise on????
    um- they don't have to compromise....they own the checkbook in congress and the power of subpoena...

    Obama to GOP: 'I won'

    By JONATHAN MARTIN & CAROL E. LEE | 1/23/09 1:25 PM EDT
    Updated: 1/24/09 12:37 AM EDT

    President Obama listened to Republican gripes about his stimulus package during a meeting with congressional leaders Friday morning - but he also left no doubt about who's in charge of these negotiations. "I won," Obama noted matter-of-factly, according to sources familiar with the conversation.

    The exchange arose as top House and Senate Republicans expressed concern to the president about the amount of spending in the package. They also raised red flags about a refundable tax credit that returns money to those who don’t pay income taxes, the sources said.

    The Republicans stressed that they want to include more middle class tax cuts in the package, citing their proposal to cut the two lowest tax rates — 15 percent and 10 percent — to ten percent and five percent, rather than issue the refundable credit Obama wants.

    At another point in the meeting, sources said Obama told the group: “This is a grave situation facing the country.” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama would hold another economic meeting in the White House Saturday for a "broader group."

    After Friday's meeting, Democratic and Republican leaders publicly wrangled over the developing stimulus plan.

    But perhaps taking a cue from Obama’s “I won” line when Democrats were asked if they were concerned about Republicans blocking the package, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid had a swift one-word answer: “No.”

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the bill was on track for passage by February 16, while Republicans continued to voice their opposition.
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    “We expressed our concerns about some of the spending that’s being proposed in the House bill,” House Minority Leader John Boehner said after meeting with Obama.

    “How can you spend hundreds of millions of dollars on contraceptives?” Boehner asked. “How does that stimulate the economy?”

    Boehner said congressional Republicans are also concerned about the size of the package.

    “Government can’t solve this problem,” he said.

    Reid said a Congressional Budget Office report that says the stimulus funds won’t be pumped into the economy until 2010 doesn’t provide an accurate picture.

    Republicans have used the report to back up their argument against a near $1 trillion package. But Reid said Obama Office of Management and Budget director Peter Orszag told them CBO only analyzed 40 percent of the bill.

    He also said Orszag guaranteed “that at least 75 percent of the bill would go directly into the economy within the first 18 months.”

    Pelosi suggested that the package, currently at $825 billion, could become even larger.

    “It has grown,” Pelosi said, “and we’re still in the process.”

    At the meeting, Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia, the No. 2 House Republican, passed out copies of the Republicans’ five-point stimulus plan. At first blush, Obama said, “Nothing on here looks outlandish or crazy to me,” Obama said, according to a source familiar with the conversation. He seemed particularly receptive to some Republican ideas about increasing benefits to small businesses.

    But when the conversation got down to other specifics, it was clear that some of the Republican ideas were clearly non-starters with the new president – including calls to put off tax hikes during the recession. “He rejected that out of hand and said we couldn’t have any hard and fast rules like that,” Cantor said.

    Lisa Lerer and Josh Gerstein contributed.
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17862.html

    In Washington's current state of dysfunction, everyone has a favorite hyper-partisan moment. House Republican Whip Eric Cantor's moment came at a White House meeting with congressional leaders on day three of the new Administration. He handed President Barack Obama a list of ideas to fix the economy. Pointing to a small business tax-cut item, Obama said: "We disagree on tax policy." When Cantor tried to justify his own position, Obama responded: "Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won."
    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...9000096164.htm

    that's right- elections do have consequences and ayatollah obama is about to find out....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyo7 View Post
    Uhh.. Obama ran on the principle of a health care plan with a public option. His "obama-care" didnt include the public option that Republicans were against. That is "compromise". What are the Republicans going to compromise on????
    btw- it should be noted, the assertion that obama somehow compromised with Republicans by dropping the public option in obamacare is patently false; it was a compromise with the dims he could not buy off and those in his party who would not vote for obamacare for fear of revolution in their home districts- which came to fruition on tuesday...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Come Back to NY View Post
    btw- it should be noted, the assertion that obama somehow compromised with Republicans by dropping the public option in obamacare is patently false; it was a compromise with the dims he could not buy off and those in his party who would not vote for obamacare for fear of revolution in their home districts- which came to fruition on tuesday...
    Its false? You mean the Republicans would vote for a bill with a public option?
    Yes, i mentioned that the compromise was with Republicans AND Dems who were against a public option. Look above.
    You see unlike the Robot Republicans who vote party first, the Dems actually have descent within the party. We dont follow the party line 100%. Our members have differing opinions and vote that way.

    Jeez, I wonder, what Compromise did Bush make with the dems when he was in power and the republicans controlled congress??

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyo7 View Post
    Its false? You mean the Republicans would vote for a bill with a public option?
    Yes, i mentioned that the compromise was with Republicans AND Dems who were against a public option. Look above.
    You see unlike the Robot Republicans who vote party first, the Dems actually have descent within the party. We dont follow the party line 100%. Our members have differing opinions and vote that way.

    Jeez, I wonder, what Compromise did Bush make with the dems when he was in power and the republicans controlled congress??
    Liberals don't tow the line?

    They don't vote ideology first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revi$_I$l@nd View Post
    Liberals don't tow the line?

    They don't vote ideology first?
    "Liberals" are not a party.
    Were talking about Democrats and Republicans. And when compared to Republicans, no they dont vote consistantly down party lines. Look at the Health Bill. Not one Republican voted yes. Thats crazy.

    Democrats always have descent and the votes are almost never 100% down the party line. To some thats a fault. Its sign of lack of party unity. I actually embrace it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyo7 View Post
    Its false? You mean the Republicans would vote for a bill with a public option?
    Yes, i mentioned that the compromise was with Republicans AND Dems who were against a public option. Look above.
    You see unlike the Robot Republicans who vote party first, the Dems actually have descent within the party. We dont follow the party line 100%. Our members have differing opinions and vote that way.
    you mentioned nothing close- there was no compromise w/republicans or for that matter the American people....as far as rat-wingers having internal descent and not towing the party line; what'd that stimuloss vote look like????

    Jeez, I wonder, what Compromise did Bush make with the dems when he was in power and the republicans controlled congress??
    yup- no child left behind and working with chappaquudic ted kennedy on medicare part D really drives home your point....lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyo7 View Post
    "Liberals" are not a party.
    Were talking about Democrats and Republicans. And when compared to Republicans, no they dont vote consistantly down party lines. Look at the Health Bill. Not one Republican voted yes. Thats crazy.

    Democrats always have descent and the votes are almost never 100% down the party line. To some thats a fault. Its sign of lack of party unity. I actually embrace it.
    95% of Liberals are Demorats... Forgive me for painting with a broad brush

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    Quote Originally Posted by Come Back to NY View Post
    you mentioned nothing close- there was no compromise w/republicans or for that matter the American people....as far as rat-wingers having internal descent and not towing the party line; what'd that stimuloss vote look like????



    yup- no child left behind and working with chappaquudic ted kennedy on medicare part D really drives home your point....lol
    You are right there was no compromise with the american people.
    The American people wanted a Public Option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revi$_I$l@nd View Post
    95% of Liberals are Demorats... Forgive me for painting with a broad brush
    Yes but 95% of Democrats are not Liberals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Come Back to NY View Post



    yup- no child left behind and working with chappaquudic ted kennedy on medicare part D really drives home your point....lol
    Yeah, too bad he didnt fund No Child Left Behind.
    Not too mention Bush and the republican refusal to allow the government to directly negotiate with Pharma for drug costs ala the VA system. Good job. Who are the Republicans really thinking about??
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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyo7 View Post
    Its false? You mean the Republicans would vote for a bill with a public option?
    Yes, i mentioned that the compromise was with Republicans AND Dems who were against a public option. Look above.
    You see unlike the Robot Republicans who vote party first, the Dems actually have descent within the party. We dont follow the party line 100%. Our members have differing opinions and vote that way.

    Jeez, I wonder, what Compromise did Bush make with the dems when he was in power and the republicans controlled congress??
    Kenny - they didn't vote for it as is. It was a compromise by Obama - but it wasn't a compromise with the Republicans

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