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    Do we lack a little speed and athletisism on defense?

    Now I'm not trying to bash or critisize too much as we should all be happy with our record. But I think it is just fair to ask some questions about our defense and why they aren't performing as good as they did last year. I think we got some personnel issues (lack of a ballhawking, rangy safety and lack of a good edge rusher) as we have discussed many times on here in recent weeks. While we can't do much about it this season, we should definitely look to upgrade our team speed when we look ahead.

    One thing stood out to me yesterday on Arian Foster's good runs and receptions. He almost exclusively beat our defense on the outside. Our interior defense got a good push inside and we really made him go sideways first. Yet he could turn the corner quite a few times on plays where we should have had him for little gain or even a loss. Now people can't run against us on the inside as both Scott and Harris are terrific run defenders and downhill linebackers. But we have to do a better job of setting the edge and going sideline to sideline (something other very good aggressive defenses like Green Bay or Philadelphia who lack our physicality inside have). The lack of team speed also comes into play on short underneath passing routes to the running backs and tight ends as our safeties break to the ball late and are almost always a step late.

    I think we all know which positions are mostly responsible for this. Erik Smith has been performing terrible and also Brodney Pool has just been average at best. Our outside linebackers are all 30 years or older and are more of the slower, plugging kind. Our pass rushing specialist is a half a season away from retirement.

    Now I think it will help when Dwight Lowery and Marquise Cole (who has been getting more and more PT on defense) come back from their injuries. Rex loves to use a lot of defensive backs. But looking ahead to the future and to fulfilling Rex's promises and our wish for a truly dominant defense we should be concerned with our overall athletisism and speed on defense. I just pray that it won't hurt us this year as we all know this season has the potential to be a special one...

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    We lack athleticism at the safety position.

    The defense is still excellent.

    They dominated an explosive Texans team for 3 1/2 quarters. Two defensive breakdowns led to 14 quick points.

    When teams are consistently beating your defense, you have problems.

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    [QUOTE=Chupa;3829794]We lack athleticism at the safety position.

    The defense is still excellent.

    They dominated an explosive Texans team for 3 1/2 quarters. Two defensive breakdowns led to 14 quick points.

    When teams are consistently beating your defense, you have problems.[/QUOTE]

    This. I don't understand not giving the Texans some props for being an offensive juggernaut.

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    I can't believe I'm saying this but......This defense actually misses and needs Dwight f'n Lowery.

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    Good points. Our safeties clearly have to step it up, especially Brodney Pool. This guy looks like he's playing without any fire or confidence, something our defense usually thrives on. I dont expect much improvement from Smith since he has basically been a marginal defensive player his whole career.

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    We lack a really good pass rusher. That said, I have noticed that the defense has not blitzed as much lately as they did earlier in the season. At the same time Rex has said he relinquished his play defensive playcalling duties to Pettine. Also at the same time, our defense has seemed to get softer. I can't help but to wonder if this all a coincidence or not. :confused:
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    [QUOTE=Flaming Mo;3829923]Good points. Our safeties clearly have to step it up, especially Brodney Pool. This guy looks like he's playing without any fire or confidence, something our defense usually thrives on. I dont expect much improvement from Smith since he has basically been a marginal defensive player his whole career.[/QUOTE]

    Yet POOL led all JETS tacklers with 7 yesterday. I thought in the very beginning of the game that he shied away from contact twice. Then he seemed OK. The scheme is complex. I will give him time to learn it. SMITH should be toast! Leonhard is so small and slow. LOWERY might help quite a bit when he gets back. The transition to him must begin. DUMP ERIK SMITH. We must draft a young safety who can cover and a passrusher or two. We also need a speedy OLB or two. Its only year two of the REX regime. He will acquire the players he needs to be a power in the AFC East. NE is doing it the right way via the draft. We should too.

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    [QUOTE=Jet Blast;3829937]We lack a really good pass rusher. That said, I have noticed that the defense has not blitzed as much lately as they did earlier in the season. At the same time Rex has said he relinquished his play defensive playcalling duties to Pettine. Also at the same time, our defenses has seemed to get softer. I can't help but to wonder if this all a coincidence or not. :confused:[/QUOTE]

    I feel it too. It isnt a matter of complaining but I think it is justified when we are a little worried about our defense.

    I hope we are wrong and they come back with a vengeance on Thursday and especially at Foxboro...

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    [QUOTE=Kentucky Jet;3829949]Yet POOL led all JETS tacklers with 7 yesterday. I thought in the very beginning of the game that he shied away from contact twice. Then he seemed OK. The scheme is complex. I will give him time to learn it. SMITH should be toast! Leonhard is so small and slow. LOWERY might help quite a bit when he gets back. The transition to him must begin. DUMP ERIK SMITH. We must draft a young safety who can cover and a passrusher or two. We also need a speedy OLB or two. Its only year two of the REX regime. He will acquire the players he needs to be a power in the AFC East. NE is doing it the right way via the draft. We should too.[/QUOTE]

    Agreed on all points. We really need Pool to play well for this defense to be dominant. It certainly didnt help that he missed some time early in the season which might have also taken away some snaps from him that went to Erik Smith.

    I wouldnt dump Smith though as he is a very good special teamer, a strong point of our team, and he is strong against the run. He is not a starter in the NFL though and I hope it doesnt cost us in the long run.

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    From what I've seen, our LBs and Safeties are slow relative to other teams.

    That's why we can't defend the middle of the field.

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    [QUOTE=Roger Vick;3829955]From what I've seen, our LBs and Safeties are slow relative to other teams.

    That's why we can't defend the middle of the field.[/QUOTE]

    Exactly my point.

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    The Defense's overall athleticism is above average. The problem is that their are only 3 players on the D with all-pro talent and two of them play CB, the other is David Harris. The Jets D needs to improve the talent at DE/LB with one guy who can apply consistent pressure on the QB and a big safety who can cover TE's. Solve those two personnel problems and with the D braintrust the Jets would have the #1 D in the NFL with a bullet.

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    [QUOTE=Flaming Mo;3829788]Now I'm not trying to bash or critisize too much as we should all be happy with our record. But I think it is just fair to ask some questions about our defense and why they aren't performing as good as they did last year. I think we got some personnel issues (lack of a ballhawking, rangy safety and lack of a good edge rusher) as we have discussed many times on here in recent weeks. While we can't do much about it this season, we should definitely look to upgrade our team speed when we look ahead.

    One thing stood out to me yesterday on Arian Foster's good runs and receptions. He almost exclusively beat our defense on the outside. Our interior defense got a good push inside and we really made him go sideways first. Yet he could turn the corner quite a few times on plays where we should have had him for little gain or even a loss. Now people can't run against us on the inside as both Scott and Harris are terrific run defenders and downhill linebackers. But we have to do a better job of setting the edge and going sideline to sideline (something other very good aggressive defenses like Green Bay or Philadelphia who lack our physicality inside have). The lack of team speed also comes into play on short underneath passing routes to the running backs and tight ends as our safeties break to the ball late and are almost always a step late.

    I think we all know which positions are mostly responsible for this. Erik Smith has been performing terrible and also Brodney Pool has just been average at best. Our outside linebackers are all 30 years or older and are more of the slower, plugging kind. Our pass rushing specialist is a half a season away from retirement.

    Now I think it will help when Dwight Lowery and Marquise Cole (who has been getting more and more PT on defense) come back from their injuries. Rex loves to use a lot of defensive backs. But looking ahead to the future and to fulfilling Rex's promises and our wish for a truly dominant defense we should be concerned with our overall athletisism and speed on defense. I just pray that it won't hurt us this year as we all know this season has the potential to be a special one...[/QUOTE]

    In a nutshell YES! We need a safety with better range who can cover, and we need an elite edge rusher.

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    [QUOTE=hatnlvr;3830138]In a nutshell YES! [B]We need a safety with better range who can cover, [SIZE="5"][COLOR="Red"]and we need an elite edge rusher[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B].[/QUOTE]

    THIS!!!

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    [QUOTE=Flaming Mo;3829788]Now I'm not trying to bash or critisize too much as we should all be happy with our record. But I think it is just fair to ask some questions about our defense and why they aren't performing as good as they did last year. I think we got some personnel issues (lack of a ballhawking, rangy safety and lack of a good edge rusher) as we have discussed many times on here in recent weeks. While we can't do much about it this season, we should definitely look to upgrade our team speed when we look ahead.

    One thing stood out to me yesterday on Arian Foster's good runs and receptions. He almost exclusively beat our defense on the outside. Our interior defense got a good push inside and we really made him go sideways first. Yet he could turn the corner quite a few times on plays where we should have had him for little gain or even a loss. Now people can't run against us on the inside as both Scott and Harris are terrific run defenders and downhill linebackers. But we have to do a better job of setting the edge and going sideline to sideline (something other very good aggressive defenses like Green Bay or Philadelphia who lack our physicality inside have). The lack of team speed also comes into play on short underneath passing routes to the running backs and tight ends as our safeties break to the ball late and are almost always a step late.

    I think we all know which positions are mostly responsible for this. Erik Smith has been performing terrible and also Brodney Pool has just been average at best. Our outside linebackers are all 30 years or older and are more of the slower, plugging kind. Our pass rushing specialist is a half a season away from retirement.

    Now I think it will help when Dwight Lowery and Marquise Cole (who has been getting more and more PT on defense) come back from their injuries. Rex loves to use a lot of defensive backs. But looking ahead to the future and to fulfilling Rex's promises and our wish for a truly dominant defense we should be concerned with our overall athletisism and speed on defense. I just pray that it won't hurt us this year as we all know this season has the potential to be a special one...[/QUOTE]

    No doubt, some of them are getting older as well. Rex will build this Defense over time but it will be able to compete as they go....

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    [QUOTE=Flaming Mo;3829788]Now I'm not trying to bash or critisize too much as we should all be happy with our record. But I think it is just fair to ask some questions about our defense and why they aren't performing as good as they did last year. I think we got some personnel issues (lack of a ballhawking, rangy safety and lack of a good edge rusher) as we have discussed many times on here in recent weeks. While we can't do much about it this season, we should definitely look to upgrade our team speed when we look ahead.

    One thing stood out to me yesterday on Arian Foster's good runs and receptions. He almost exclusively beat our defense on the outside. Our interior defense got a good push inside and we really made him go sideways first. Yet he could turn the corner quite a few times on plays where we should have had him for little gain or even a loss. Now people can't run against us on the inside as both Scott and Harris are terrific run defenders and downhill linebackers. But we have to do a better job of setting the edge and going sideline to sideline (something other very good aggressive defenses like Green Bay or Philadelphia who lack our physicality inside have). The lack of team speed also comes into play on short underneath passing routes to the running backs and tight ends as our safeties break to the ball late and are almost always a step late.

    I think we all know which positions are mostly responsible for this. Erik Smith has been performing terrible and also Brodney Pool has just been average at best. Our outside linebackers are all 30 years or older and are more of the slower, plugging kind. Our pass rushing specialist is a half a season away from retirement.

    Now I think it will help when Dwight Lowery and Marquise Cole (who has been getting more and more PT on defense) come back from their injuries. Rex loves to use a lot of defensive backs. But looking ahead to the future and to fulfilling Rex's promises and our wish for a truly dominant defense we should be concerned with our overall athletisism and speed on defense. I just pray that it won't hurt us this year as we all know this season has the potential to be a special one...[/QUOTE]

    1- there's no containment on the outside; either that is the design of the defense or somebody(s) is woefully out of position...

    2- the safeties are basically straight-line/downhill defenders and are guys who struggle when they must immediately change direction or alter their angle of attack...

    3- give credit where credit is due- Foster never showed that kind of quickness or speed around the corner at Tennessee...his ability to turn the corner without losing momentum than turn it on in one step was impressive...

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    This defense requires less thick, quicker, more agile, athletic, rangy safeties.

    Big, thick, downhill safeties are just redundant in this defense, where the front seven is so stout at the POA.

    All these smaller safeties need to do is play center, occasionally cover a slot guy, rb or TE, and be able to tackle.

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    Either recruit Lamaar Woodley next year please.

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    Size on the DL.

    Also, Manny Lawson would look really good in this D.
    Last edited by Much ado about Nothing; 11-23-2010 at 01:47 AM.

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    We do need a speedy LB for pass coverage, but more importantly, we need to force our will at the line.
    Our d line just needs to want it more. Battles always come down to the will of 2 men and we'll be who we can be only if we force it upon our opponents.

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