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    Safety, OLB, DE...

    Funny that our defense has been solid though not dominant this year and that the offense has struggled but I think we need to address the issues I listed in the title bar.

    I usually look for player value over position with early draft picks but the Jets could elevate the defense from very good to dominant if we picked up a play making safety (Think Rhodes when he was actually good and not a soft prima dona...what a waste), a pass rushing OLB or a DE that can do more than plug the run.

    Out of them all I'd be most happy if we could get a pass rushing OLB. The kind of player that other teams would have to game plan for, a guy that could get pressure on his own or at least command double teams. (In other words what Gholston was supposed to me.)

    I wonder how often front offices get gun shy of picking a certain position early if they have had a recent colossal bust in that same position.

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    DE: I would love to add Cameron Jordan from Cal at the end of the first round. Prototypical size (6-4, 290), strong as a bull and very aggressive. Good use of hands and is really quick off the snap. He would give us more than just a run plugging big body upfront.

    S: I recently said it in another thread that I really like Quinton Carter from Oklahoma. Very experienced against spread offenses, big hitter with a nose for the football. Can help out against the run, team leader and a very good kid off the field.

    OLB: Well, I really dont see a nasty pass rush prospect coming out this year. We could take a flyer in the later rounds on guys like Cliff Matthews, Chris Walker or Dontay Moch but in the end we will have a really hard time adding a guy with big time upside this year.

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    OLB: Well, I really dont see a nasty pass rush prospect coming out this year.


    I hope he comes out...I actually like him better as a 3-4 OLB than I do as a 4-3 DE too.

    Also, disagree that we won't find upside at OLB in this draft...some guys who won't be first rounders that are good players:

    Moch
    Robinson (Temple)
    Matthews (South Carolina)
    Acho (Texas)
    Freeney (RU)
    White (FSU)
    Crawford (Penn) - Meh, but he's hyped enough to throw on here.
    Miller (A&M) - I'm not sure he goes in the first...early 3rd sounds more fitting.

    There's probably others...CB brought up some guy on Arizona the other day.

    3-4 OLBs a tough position to transition too...Quinn's pretty much the only guy I'd use a first on at the position...I'm a big fan of Matthews or White on that list above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Much ado about Nothing View Post


    I hope he comes out...I actually like him better as a 3-4 OLB than I do as a 4-3 DE too.

    Also, disagree that we won't find upside at OLB in this draft...some guys who won't be first rounders that are good players:

    Moch
    Robinson (Temple)
    Matthews (South Carolina)
    Acho (Texas)
    Freeney (RU)
    White (FSU)
    Crawford (Penn) - Meh, but he's hyped enough to throw on here.
    Miller (A&M) - I'm not sure he goes in the first...early 3rd sounds more fitting.

    There's probably others...CB brought up some guy on Arizona the other day.

    3-4 OLBs a tough position to transition too...Quinn's pretty much the only guy I'd use a first on at the position...I'm a big fan of Matthews or White on that list above.
    Quinn is awesome but I dont think he will be available at the end of round one. Others like Moch, Acho etc are good players but also have big time questions marks. What I meant with my comment, this year is not really deep in terms of first round OLB prospects. Of course its early so well see how everything develops...

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    This year after Quinn there are two other guys I could see going in the first as DE/OLB...Smith from Missouri who's existence bit reminded me of today...the other would be Kerrigan, who I think can do well in any system.

    The only one of the 3 I think can be seen as plug and go is Quinn...Kerrigan could probably make some impact as a situational player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Much ado about Nothing View Post
    This year after Quinn there are two other guys I could see going in the first as DE/OLB...Smith from Missouri who's existence bit reminded me of today...the other would be Kerrigan, who I think can do well in any system.

    The only one of the 3 I think can be seen as plug and go is Quinn...Kerrigan could probably make some impact as a situational player.
    If we could somehow get Quinn, oh my...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Much ado about Nothing View Post
    This year after Quinn there are two other guys I could see going in the first as DE/OLB...Smith from Missouri who's existence bit reminded me of today...the other would be Kerrigan, who I think can do well in any system.

    The only one of the 3 I think can be seen as plug and go is Quinn...Kerrigan could probably make some impact as a situational player.
    Smith was a good call by bit, very young and undeveloped but a big time prospect. Reminds me of Lawson actually with his long frame and outstanding athletisism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaming Mo View Post
    Smith was a good call by bit, very young and undeveloped but a big time prospect. Reminds me of Lawson actually with his long frame and outstanding athletisism.
    Lawson is a free agent, might be worth a look. Depending on how the FO feels about the DL, we could double dip there b/c this class is pretty deep as far as that is concerned.

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    Quinn is my pipe dream pick. He's probably a top 5 talent in the draft. Hopefully he has a Dez type of fall.

    Adding a guy who can beat OL one on one would take this defense to the next level. A true pass rusher would go a long way in masking the problems at safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMikeIsHot View Post
    Quinn is my pipe dream pick. He's probably a top 5 talent in the draft. Hopefully he has a Dez type of fall.

    Adding a guy who can beat OL one on one would take this defense to the next level. A true pass rusher would go a long way in masking the problems at safety.
    Same here...I'm hoping brain tumor + lost season = Plummet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Much ado about Nothing View Post
    Same here...I'm hoping brain tumor + lost season = Plummet.
    God I hope so... I see you have changed your avatar to your binkie lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Much ado about Nothing View Post
    Same here...I'm hoping brain tumor + lost season = Plummet.
    haha that would be nice.

    But I don't know how likely it is. That said, none of us really saw Bryant dropping all the way to 24. I still can't believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMo View Post
    God I hope so... I see you have changed your avatar to your binkie lol
    Lol the campaign has begun.

    To you and Mike: Quinn's not going to get Dez'd. I think his character is less in question, and teams value DL, especially pass rushers, way more than they do WRs...even one with Dez's level of talent (was a top 3 player in last year's draft IMO).

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