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    Mo's Early Mock Draft

    Yeah, I know that we should really worry about other things right now but it's always fun to do a mock draft or think a little bit about the future. Especially when we watch the Jets show the same glaring holes week in and week out. In my mock draft I really concentrate on defense because we not only will certainly lose some older guys like Taylor or Pryce but also have to believe that Rex wont be satisfied with the 5th or something ranked defense in the league. This is not what the Jets are and we will do something about it.


    1st Round Pick: CAMERON JORDAN (DE, California, 6-4, 290 lbs)
    Big, strong lineman with a nasty attitude. Prototypical size for 3-4 defensive end. Very active with his hands and quick off the snap. Very athletic for his size. I think he can be the long term replacement for Shaun Ellis who I would resign for another year and let him help Jordan to develop.


    2nd/3rd Round Pick: QUINTON CARTER (S, Oklahoma, 6-1, 200 lbs)
    Very aggressive, experienced safety from a big time program. Fast and mobile in coverage, strong against the run. Decent ball skills and a vicious hitter. I think he could be a very nice compliment to Leonhard as he is bigger and more athletic.


    4th Round Pick: LANCE KENDRICKS (TE, Wisconsin, 6-4, 245 lbs)
    People might cringe at the idea of drafting a tight end but we really need a compliment to Keller who can catch the ball. Kendricks is a versatile player with good size and athletisism.


    5th Round Pick: RASHARD CARMICHAEL (CB, Virginia Tech, 5-11, 195 lbs)
    We all know Rex loves cornerbacks and after this season, we surely could use another guy to play back there. Carmichael is very experienced, good in press coverage and love to play physical. Cornerback could definitely become a big time need if we dont resign Cromartie.


    6th Round Pick: CLIFF MATTHEWS (DE, South Carolina, 6-4, 265 lbs)
    Big strong hybrid DE/OLB. Brings a lot of experience and toughness to the table. Doesnt really project like a starter but his versatility could make him really interesting for a hybrid front like ours.


    7th Round Pick: ALDRICK ROBINSON (WR, SMU, 5-10, 180 lbs)
    Maybe a little late for the player June Jones called "the fastest kid he ever coached". Could be the second SMU receiver making noise in the NFL these days after Emmanuel Sanders for the Steelers. We can use a smaller slot receiver with big time speed as Cotchery seems to lose a step.

    OVERLOOK: Now I know the draft is heavily concentrating on defense but as I said, I think that is the way to go. We got a lot of playmakers on offense, the offensive line looks to be secured for a few years even if Woody is let go and our backfield wont change much either. If LT leaves we might replace him with a free agent like DeAngelo Williams. I think in general we get more athletic with this draft and we fill some much needed holes with players who could shine in our aggressive scheme.
    I see that I havent really made it an emphasis to add a pass rusher but this is partly due to the fact that Bryan Thomas and Calvin Pace will most likely continue to start next year. We got a few young kids waiting in the wings (Jamaal Westerman, Cody Brown, Shawn Crable) who we might turn to for a backup role. A guy like Woodley seems like a pipedream but there are also other options in free agency with guys like Manny Lawson or Tamba Hali. I think the Jets have to put a big time emphasis on improving the speed on defense. Most of our safeties are slow, cant cover or arent very athletic. Same with all our linebackers and I also thought about atleast adding one coverage LB in the later rounds. We usually use a hybrid S/LB like Erik Smith or James Ihedigbo in that role.
    As a second or third round safety (based on which pick goes to San Diego for the Cromartie trade) I also like DeAndre McDaniel from Clemson. Not the brightest kid from what you hear but very athletic and a true centerfielder.
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    Whoa, I was out of the loop when I was in Australia, when did we pick up Shawn Crable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    Whoa, I was out of the loop when I was in Australia, when did we pick up Shawn Crable?
    After the Pats beat the Steelers. I think he even had half a sack in that game but was let go by their lowlife of a coach. We picked him up and put him on the practice squad.

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    Love Cameron Jordan...wouldn't call him prototypical, but definitely an awesome player. Very much in the mold of Shaun Ellis...

    Good to see some new names...Carter probably isn't a 2nd round type safety...I'm a fan of VT DBs...they tend to be mean and physical...Robinson can go as high as the 3rd or 4th if things break well for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Much ado about Nothing View Post
    Love Cameron Jordan...wouldn't call him prototypical, but definitely an awesome player. Very much in the mold of Shaun Ellis...

    Good to see some new names...Carter probably isn't a 2nd round type safety...I'm a fan of VT DBs...they tend to be mean and physical...Robinson can go as high as the 3rd or 4th if things break well for him.
    Yeah I think Carter is more of a third round guy but we also dont know in what round we're gonna pick there. Matthews and Robinson most likely will go higher but well, we can dream...

    Jordan to me has prototypical size but really brings more to the table than the usual 3-4 DE. You mostly find converted DTs who are good at stuffing the run. Jordan has the upside to be a really good pass rusher from the 3-4 DE position or from the inside on obvious passing downs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaming Mo View Post
    Yeah I think Carter is more of a third round guy but we also dont know in what round we're gonna pick there. Matthews and Robinson most likely will go higher but well, we can dream...

    Jordan to me has prototypical size but really brings more to the table than the usual 3-4 DE. You mostly find converted DTs who are good at stuffing the run. Jordan has the upside to be a really good pass rusher from the 3-4 DE position or from the inside on obvious passing downs.
    While we're both fans of Jordan I disagree with your view on him for a few reasons:

    - Prototypical size for a 3-4 DE is 6'5/6'6 in height and 300+ in weight. They're the mirror image of NFL offensive tackles...mainly because tackles started getting drafted for their ability to handle the smaller and faster pass rushers...guys like Seymour, Warren, and Ngata (who is 340 maybe even 350) presented major match up problems...Seymour was always D'Brick's toughest matchup even when Schobel got the hype.

    - Jordan's not so out of range that he can't be a 3-4 DE. That said, he's built like and closer in size to Ellis, who isn't prototypical but certainly he's good and capable enough to handle the situation.

    - As he's close in size and build to Ellis, he also has a very similar game and I agree that he'd be a pretty decent pass rusher from the 3-4 DE position. I hold the belief that guys like that are #2 3-4 DEs rather than the guy who headlines the DL...at least nowadays. For instance, Pryce threw up his 13 sack season in a 3-4 the minute Ngata got there...Ngata and Gregg being there to dominate the LOS allowed Pryce to thrive in his role.

    - While you're right at many 3-4 DEs are converted 4-3 DTs, I think you underrate their role in pass rush. They are not the primary pass rushers, but rather the guys who open up the field for the D. Kind of like what an OL does for an offense. This is why size, length, and power are such a major part of the position. The Dolphins went and rebuilt their DL with the 6'5 315 Langford and the 6'4 320 Starks...neither guy had a strong reputation as a pass rusher...hell Starks was thought of as a backup NT at best when he signed...they're both probably the best 3-4 DEs in the division after a healthy Warren now.

    - I think there's also a possibility that you're overrating the sack stat and confusing it for the general idea of pass rush. You haven't directly stated sack so I might be wrong and throwing words in your mouth.

    The reasons I really like Jordan:

    - He's one of the more solid bets in this draft to be a solid player.

    - We're likely to lose Pryce/Ellis, and he seriously looks and profiles alot like those guys. It's very convenient. He's not physically dominant like you want out of a first round 3-4 DE when you can get it, but his motor and his hand usage along with strong size and athleticism can help him thrive in any system if he's used to his strengths. I think Rex would definitely use a guy like him to his strengths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Much ado about Nothing View Post
    While we're both fans of Jordan I disagree with your view on him for a few reasons:

    - Prototypical size for a 3-4 DE is 6'5/6'6 in height and 300+ in weight. They're the mirror image of NFL offensive tackles...mainly because tackles started getting drafted for their ability to handle the smaller and faster pass rushers...guys like Seymour, Warren, and Ngata (who is 340 maybe even 350) presented major match up problems...Seymour was always D'Brick's toughest matchup even when Schobel got the hype.

    - Jordan's not so out of range that he can't be a 3-4 DE. That said, he's built like and closer in size to Ellis, who isn't prototypical but certainly he's good and capable enough to handle the situation.

    - As he's close in size and build to Ellis, he also has a very similar game and I agree that he'd be a pretty decent pass rusher from the 3-4 DE position. I hold the belief that guys like that are #2 3-4 DEs rather than the guy who headlines the DL...at least nowadays. For instance, Pryce threw up his 13 sack season in a 3-4 the minute Ngata got there...Ngata and Gregg being there to dominate the LOS allowed Pryce to thrive in his role.

    - While you're right at many 3-4 DEs are converted 4-3 DTs, I think you underrate their role in pass rush. They are not the primary pass rushers, but rather the guys who open up the field for the D. Kind of like what an OL does for an offense. This is why size, length, and power are such a major part of the position. The Dolphins went and rebuilt their DL with the 6'5 315 Langford and the 6'4 320 Starks...neither guy had a strong reputation as a pass rusher...hell Starks was thought of as a backup NT at best when he signed...they're both probably the best 3-4 DEs in the division after a healthy Warren now.

    - I think there's also a possibility that you're overrating the sack stat and confusing it for the general idea of pass rush. You haven't directly stated sack so I might be wrong and throwing words in your mouth.

    The reasons I really like Jordan:

    - He's one of the more solid bets in this draft to be a solid player.

    - We're likely to lose Pryce/Ellis, and he seriously looks and profiles alot like those guys. It's very convenient. He's not physically dominant like you want out of a first round 3-4 DE when you can get it, but his motor and his hand usage along with strong size and athleticism can help him thrive in any system if he's used to his strengths. I think Rex would definitely use a guy like him to his strengths.
    Excellent post and you are making a lot of good points. I think when Jordan comes into the league and is drafted by a 3-4 team, they will have him play at around 300. This isnt far off from what other 3-4 DEs are playing at. I agree though that he is closer to the role a Trevor Pryce used to play in Baltimore or what we got from Ellis in recent years (he has been on the way down though which to me makes Jordan a logical pick).

    See, I dont care about sacks at all. Last year we rarely got home with our pressure but we still made the QB uncomfortable and get rid of the ball quicker than he wanted. QB pressure is a lot more important and there are a couple of ways how to generate it. Looking at our defense - we blitz a lot. So obviously we will always try to create pressure like that. It makes our D one dimensional though. Our outside linebackers really cant get constant pressure off the edge and redirect the QB. Now one other way to get to the QB is push the pocket in his face from the inside or even beat the inside OL. Jordan can definitely do that and Pitoitua has also shown in recent years that he can be a force inside, pushing the pocket and imfluencing the throws with his size.

    I think on the defensive line we might be ok for next year with a rotation of Pouha, DeVito, Jordan, Ellis and Pitoitua. Word was also from CBNY that the Jets are extremely interested in aquiring Ahtyba Rubin from the Browns if they have the chance. A guy like Jenkins obviously would be a wildcard and great as a pass rushing specialist in obvious passing situations.

    The problem I have right now when I look at our front seven, many of these guys figure to be here atleast for another season. Pace and BT are very expansive, Scott is a leader for this team and we all know that while unheralded Harris is our best LB. Pouha and DeVito have done their job admirably this year and do what they are asked to do. But we need faster, quicker and more athletic players on defense. Jordan and Carter are a start and I would love to sign Manny Lawson. Good speed off the edge, great length and tremendous in coverage for an OLB. Then let's take a look at our defensive depth chart when everything goes down like I alluded to:

    DE - DeVito/Pitoitua NT - Pouha/Jenkins DE - Ellis/Jordan
    OLB - Pace/Lawson ILB - Scott/Mauga ILB - Harris OLB - Thomas/Westerman
    CB - Revis/Coleman SS - Leonhard/Smith FS - Carter/Lowery CB - Cromartie/Wilson
    Nickelbacks: Wilson, Carmichael, Coleman
    Rovers: Ihedigbo, Smith

    I think that defense would be a lot better than the one this year even though we still dont have that one big time impact player in the front seven. I just dont see where we can find this guy, its definitely gonna be hard at the end of round one or with one of our later picks. I dont really know what we can do in free agency, a guy like Lawson seems a lot more likely to hit the market and with Ryan's coaching ability, he might be able to get more out of Lawson that the horrible staff in SF.

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    I like the way you set up the DL, though I'm not sure on the Pito hype. Rule #1 in the NFL is don't get hurt, and it happened to him unfortunately. In the end, we both agree that this DL pretty desperately needs some new blood.

    Also, you're a Lawson guy in FA too? I'd love to sign this guy...he's the best of the 3-4 OLBs at dropping into coverage and 26 I think his best days are ahead. I'd much rather draft a 1st round DL this year than a first round OLB. He'd start if he came here.

    Edit: I think there's a pretty good chance we lose Harris. Two 8+ million dollar ILBs just doesn't make sense, and I'm in the very small group that don't see him as our no doubt best LB. I imagine Westerman replacing him, but it could be alot of guys...the ILB position is probably the easiest one to fill in this D.
    Last edited by Much ado about Nothing; 12-21-2010 at 04:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Much ado about Nothing View Post
    I like the way you set up the DL, though I'm not sure on the Pito hype. Rule #1 in the NFL is don't get hurt, and it happened to him unfortunately. In the end, we both agree that this DL pretty desperately needs some new blood.

    Also, you're a Lawson guy in FA too? I'd love to sign this guy...he's the best of the 3-4 OLBs at dropping into coverage and 26 I think his best days are ahead. I'd much rather draft a 1st round DL this year than a first round OLB. He'd start if he came here.

    Edit: I think there's a pretty good chance we lose Harris. Two 8+ million dollar ILBs just doesn't make sense, and I'm in the very small group that don't see him as our no doubt best LB. I imagine Westerman replacing him, but it could be alot of guys...the ILB position is probably the easiest one to fill in this D.
    Interesting point on Harris and I agree, we might lose him in the offseason. It might also be for the better as Scott and Harris are very similar LBs. Both are big downhill guys, great against the run yet very shaky in coverage. If I could choose I would rather keep Harris and get rid of Scott but that wont happen due to DH being a free agent. It might help our defense a ton if we replace Harris with a quicker, faster linebacker who is better in coverage.

    Lawson is terrific in coverage and a great athlete. I think he is exactly the kind of guy who is a nice compliment to our other LBs who are more plodding, bigger type of guys. Lawson is also underrated as a pass rusher. He doesnt have great numbers but he definitely gets good pressure off the edge when he rushes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaming Mo View Post
    Interesting point on Harris and I agree, we might lose him in the offseason. It might also be for the better as Scott and Harris are very similar LBs. Both are big downhill guys, great against the run yet very shaky in coverage. If I could choose I would rather keep Harris and get rid of Scott but that wont happen due to DH being a free agent. It might help our defense a ton if we replace Harris with a quicker, faster linebacker who is better in coverage.

    Lawson is terrific in coverage and a great athlete. I think he is exactly the kind of guy who is a nice compliment to our other LBs who are more plodding, bigger type of guys. Lawson is also underrated as a pass rusher. He doesnt have great numbers but he definitely gets good pressure off the edge when he rushes.
    That it would.

    After Quinn, the only LB I'd accept in the first round at this point in the draft season is Akeem Ayers...simply because I think he has that kind of upside and skillset to handle inside in a 3-4.

    Also, completely agreed on Lawson...been pumping this guy up for a minute now. He's going to be a pretty big deal on the FA market...I expect the Browns, Cardinals, Bills, Ravens, and Pats to all put up a fight for him amongst others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Much ado about Nothing View Post
    That it would.

    After Quinn, the only LB I'd accept in the first round at this point in the draft season is Akeem Ayers...simply because I think he has that kind of upside and skillset to handle inside in a 3-4.

    Also, completely agreed on Lawson...been pumping this guy up for a minute now. He's going to be a pretty big deal on the FA market...I expect the Browns, Cardinals, Bills, Ravens, and Pats to all put up a fight for him amongst others.
    Quinn definitely has that potential to be a game changer in the front seven, a 10+ sack guy who has to get double teamed on almost every play.

    I think if we want Lawson we can get him. I think the FO and Rex really understand how to bring players in and make them want to be a Jet. Maybe thats just me though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaming Mo View Post
    Quinn definitely has that potential to be a game changer in the front seven, a 10+ sack guy who has to get double teamed on almost every play.

    I think if we want Lawson we can get him. I think the FO and Rex really understand how to bring players in and make them want to be a Jet. Maybe thats just me though.
    I hope so. Lawson would give us some sick flexibility on D...especially if paired with a full season of Pace, who has gone right back to being underrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Much ado about Nothing View Post
    I hope so. Lawson would give us some sick flexibility on D...especially if paired with a full season of Pace, who has gone right back to being underrated.
    Having Pace for all 16 games would be nice for a change...

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    some good news coming down the pike on some potential prospects that could help the jets....

    stay tuned....

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;3875476]some good news coming down the pike on some potential prospects that could help the jets....

    stay tuned....[/QUOTE. You're such a tease cbny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Come Back to NY View Post
    some good news coming down the pike on some potential prospects that could help the jets....

    stay tuned....
    What happens in the draft forum stays in the draft forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gangGREENinsider View Post
    What happens in the draft forum stays in the draft forum.
    unfortunately i've learned otherwise the hard way.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Come Back to NY View Post
    unfortunately i've learned otherwise the hard way.....
    b!tches...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Come Back to NY View Post
    unfortunately i've learned otherwise the hard way.....
    Just pm us.

    I disagree somewhat with comments made above though in this thread. David Harris is a core player in my opinion. We need to upgrade OLB for sure but Scott and Harris are key and I'd keep Harris over Scott if one had to make a choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    Just pm us.

    I disagree somewhat with comments made above though in this thread. David Harris is a core player in my opinion. We need to upgrade OLB for sure but Scott and Harris are key and I'd keep Harris over Scott if one had to make a choice.
    Problem with that is that Scott has a contract past 2010 and Harris doesn't.

    CB is there a time and date set for this news to be released?

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